PC gamestage and progression, punative to crafters for no reason

Lets make a test:
Can I build from day 1? Yes

Can I build everything from day 1? No

Can I craft from day 1? Yes

Can I craft everything from day 1? No

Can I shoot from day 1? Yes

Can I shoot with the best weapons (including mods and perks) from day 1? No

Can I scavenge from day 1? Yes

Can I scavenge ultrafast and the best stuff from day 1? No and no(t likely)

This game has a progression and every playstyle has to work up from bottom. So if this is a punishment, everyone is punished. And this will surely not change.

Just give yourself 100k exp points from the creative menue and be done with it.
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Well if you had half a brain you would realise your last statement does more to make my point than i could, the gamestage system makes the game harder as you level up, so your solution means i get ridiculously tough or gimmicky enenies (screw TFP for making the run option pointless with stupid footballers and ferals) spawning in and making the game unplayable without also giving myself items from the crestive menu... if i want to play a creative game i will, i wont cheat in survival (and also make the game harder) just to bypass some bull♥♥♥♥ grind.

 
Well if you had half a brain you would realise your last statement does more to make my point than i could, the gamestage system makes the game harder as you level up,
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If true, and your style of crafting/building levels up slower then YOU are the one with the advantage. BOOM, ROASTED

 
If true, and your style of crafting/building levels up slower then YOU are the one with the advantage. BOOM, ROASTED
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What on earth are you on about?

After 5 minutes i think i got it.. are you trying to say that if you only build using low tier materials and by using crap tools then you have the advantage of the game not actually progressing? Thats just exploting the ♥♥♥♥ty gamestage calculation... and not a solution or fun, building somthing pretty with a wide range of blocks is fun.

 
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Zombie xp will be toned down so that it's not by far the most viable way to level up.
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That means XP gains from other actions - looting, harvesting, quests, etc. will be increased, right?

 
What on earth are you on about?
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Its not fair to me that my gamestage goes up higher since I kill a lot of zombies and don't craft. My first horde night will be brutal after leveling so many stages while you still have it easy. Totally not fair to me! Nerf Crafting!

Not to mention I won't have a good base set up!! omg.. these crafters need nerfing so bad.

 
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Its not fair to me that my gamestage goes up higher since I kill a lot of zombies and don't craft. My first horde night will be brutal after leveling so many stages while you still have it easy. Totally not fair to me! Nerf Crafting!
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Iv stated that the gamestage system is stupid earlier in this thread. If you like killing lots of zombies do you only like killing normal zombies, or cops/dogs/ferals/whatever too?

You like fighting zombies so the game gives you more zombies...

Honestly mate if you are just looking to kill a bunch of zombies and have some fun i have over a thousand hours between killing floor 1 and 2, can highly recommend both

 
Iv stated that the gamestage system is stupid earlier in this thread. If you like killing lots of zombies do yoy only like killing normal zombies, or cops/dogs/ferals/whatever too?You like fighting zombies so the game gives you more zombies...
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Just because you think its stupid doesn't mean it don't work the way I'm saying. Your horde nights will be easier than mine... how fair is that?? NERF CRAFTING. fighting zombies is punative!

 
Just stop and think for a second, you have it the wrong way around and so does 99% of the player base which is why they are changing XP in the next build because builders like me are taking advantage of this loophole.
The game punishes people who like combat and rewards builders.

You get a low amount of XP for not killing anything which means you can keep your gamescore very low and build at your leisure knowing that the bloodmoon horde will pose very little danger. Iron tools & weapons which are easily looted outside of POI's can be repaired without a perk. Finding a forge (traders or gas station) means you can craft iron spikes, iron bars, truss frames and all other types of iron, again without needing perks.

Conversely the player who likes combat and clearing POI's is "rewarded" with higher XP. That player has a high gamescore, very high level, but he/she has been so busy power levelling they haven't build much to help with the base defence.....and then they come on these forums and cry that it is "impossible" to defend your base or they post their cheese AI exploiting base designs thinking they are awesome because their power levelling has "rewarded" them with a very strong BM horde.

This is my base after 21 day BM (singleplayer, default settings), I am level 11. I didn't even use my guns, just wiped them with my compound bow. Like I said though, they are buffing non combat XP because people just cried like a bunch of sheep without thinking that builders had it good in A17, REAL good. GG.

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So 21 hours of RL game play, to reach this state? Sorry for the language, but you GOTTA be kidding me. Dude, I have WAY more interesting things to do with my life, than be level 11 with NOTHING unlocked and such a base after 21 hours of game play.

What you are doing is NOT fun by (assumption inc.) 99% of the player base. Games are supposed to be fun. What you are doing, is not fun gaming for me. It's tedious.

You claim we are all a bunch of cry babies. No we are not cry babies. We love(d) the game and it's mechanics. Now A17 at it's currents state, completely ruins the core of the fun. So what do we do? We go to the forum, and tell what we think, to hopefully see changes being made. What's so wrong about that? I even made a massive post being VERY constructive and VERY positive (imo) and you called me a cry baby in that topic as well.

Link to topic: https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?97520-My-experience-thoughts-concerns-and-suggestions

 
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Just because you think its stupid doesn't mean it don't work the way I'm saying. Your horde nights will be easier than mine... how fair is that?? NERF CRAFTING. fighting zombies is punative!
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My horde night wont be anything as i wont be playing, as far as gamestage giving you s more difficult horde night.. do i take it you dont like fighting hordes of zombies? I mean you say you do and then complain the game gives you a tougher a horde... i dont get it

 
Yes, thank you for pointing out the obvious that someone doesn't agree with me. You're stopping now because you cannot prove what you said 'A17 is a builder's dream' in the current b208 version. If you want tons of concrete/steel and access to some of the same tools you had in A16 you still have to level up quite a long ways. Also, if you want certain perks you need certain levels.
I'd like to see your A16.x builds. Obviously they should have the high level tier materials (reinforced concrete, steel, etc) . Can you build them in A17 current version without leveling to level 20 and in a decent amount of time? If it takes you to day 100+ then forget about it. Time is obviously taken into account here. Some of us want to get to the high-level tier materials in < 365 in-game days...

You can play at your own rate, which IMO is a slower than snail pace (again your choice) but don't think that slow/cheesing the system means it's a builders dream for the rest of us.
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So it took you 22 hours to get to that point and you cant even craft iron tools or concrete or anything... how the hell is having no acess to crafting tools and high tier blocks a 'builders paradise'
that base honestly looks ♥♥♥♥ and i dont really see the enjoyment of placing 100s of those spikes. (still stupidly expensive to craft, is that ever getting fixed?) Thats not building... to me, you made a brick cube with spikes around... also aernt iron bars gated by getting the forge perk?...

I really dont get it, to me buildings i made where highly functional but also pretty, id be ashamed to call a brick cube a base, by day7 in a16 i had a lovely cobblestone pole base with a flagstone and wood living area ontop, part of the joy of building your own thing is making it look nice too at least it always has been for me
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If it works for him and he enjoys what he is doing, whats the issue? Why are you so offended?

What he has done is build a base that works. Who cares what it looks like? If it protects him on a BM night then thats all that matters.

Also keep in mind that because he has spent time building and crafting, rather than killing zombies, his BM is going to be quite a bit easier than somebody who has just killed every zombie in sight for 3 weeks.

Let him play at his own pace. Maybe he doesn't want to rush through the game like you and just enjoy it.

Just because you want something, it doesn't mean everyone else shares that 'want'

EDIT - Also, please consider that there might be a reason this person is playing slowly, maybe theres some autism or mental illness that hes suffering with. Maybe theres another issue. You dont know what goes on behind closed doors so be a little more considerate. Not everybody is as lucky as you.

 
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So 21 hours of RL game play, to reach this state? Sorry for the language, but you GOTTA be ♥♥♥♥ing kidding me. Dude, I have WAY more interesting things to do with my life, than be level 11 with NOTHING unlocked and that ♥♥♥♥ty base after 21 hours of game play.What you are doing is NOT fun by (assumption inc.) 99% of the player base. Games are supposed to be fun. That ♥♥♥♥ there is NOT fun. It's tedious.

You claim we are all a bunch of cry babies. No we are not cry babies. We love(d) the game and it's mechanics. Now A17 at it's currents state, completely ruins the core of the fun. So what do we do? We go to the forum, and tell what we think, to hopefully see changes being made. What's so wrong about that? I even made a massive post being VERY constructive and VERY positive (imo) and you called me a cry baby in that topic as well.

You can't be taken serious with those comments. "Crybabies". Wtf man...
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Sorry you fell victim to this forums general toxicity seen it a lot over the years. please try to keep past snafoo's out of the current discussion (but feel free to edit your post with a link to said thread)

 
My horde night wont be anything as i wont be playing, as far as gamestage giving you s more difficult horde night.. do i take it you dont like fighting hordes of zombies? I mean you say you do and then complain the game gives you a tougher a horde... i dont get it
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Just because I like going out fighting zombies doesn't mean I like my base (which I didn't spend much time on compared to you) overran by feral cops on day 7

Edit: in case anyone is wondering I'm not complaining about the difficulty... just having fun turning this guys argument directly against him ;)

 
If it works for him and he enjoys what he is doing, whats the issue? Why are you so offended?
What he has done is build a base that works. Who cares what it looks like? If it protects him on a BM night then thats all that matters.

Also keep in mind that because he has spent time building and crafting, rather than killing zombies, his BM is going to be quite a bit easier than somebody who has just killed every zombie in sight for 3 weeks.

Let him play at his own pace. Maybe he doesn't want to rush through the game like you and just enjoy it.

Just because you want something, it doesnt mean everyone else shares that 'want'
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I never said he cant play at that pace or choose to build out of low tier materials or said anything to discourage him or anyone else from playing how they want.

Id apppreciate the developers not placing large time investments or arbitrary level gates so i can still play at pace i find acceptable, dont see why that stops him playing that way if he chooses...

 
So 21 hours of RL game play, to reach this state? Sorry for the language, but you GOTTA be ♥♥♥♥ing kidding me. Dude, I have WAY more interesting things to do with my life, than be level 11 with NOTHING unlocked and that ♥♥♥♥ty base after 21 hours of game play.What you are doing is NOT fun by (assumption inc.) 99% of the player base. Games are supposed to be fun. That ♥♥♥♥ there is NOT fun. It's tedious.

You claim we are all a bunch of cry babies. No we are not cry babies. We love(d) the game and it's mechanics. Now A17 at it's currents state, completely ruins the core of the fun. So what do we do? We go to the forum, and tell what we think, to hopefully see changes being made. What's so wrong about that? I even made a massive post being VERY constructive and VERY positive (imo) and you called me a cry baby in that topic as well.

You can't be taken serious with those comments. "Crybabies". Wtf man...
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I think you need to take a sit down bro. Yo gonna burst that blood vessel if you're not careful.

 
Just because I like going out fighting zombies doesn't mean I like my base (which I didn't spend much time on compared to you) overran by feral cops on day 7
Edit: in case anyone is wondering I'm not complaining about the difficulty... just having fun turning this guys argument directly against him ;)
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Educate yourself please, gamestage affects a hell of a lot more than the 7th day horde, it also affects what sleeper and roaming zombies spawn...

 
Educate yourself please, gamestage affects a hell of a lot more than the 7th day horde, it also affects what sleeper and roaming zombies spawn...
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Yea that's right!!! so not only are my horde nights more difficult than yours.. but if I want to go loot a POI its also a lot harder!!!! totally not fair!!... educate yourself BROSKI, NERF CRAFTERS!!! they get EZ mode horde nights AND loot runs!!!!

totally punative to NON crafters!!

 
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I think you need to take a sit down bro. Yo gonna burst that blood vessel if you're not careful.
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Sorry but this post adds nothing to the discussion and is a personal attack on that guy for no reason... this is exactly the kind of ♥♥♥♥ that guy is upset about...

 
I never said he cant play at that pace or choose to build out of low tier materials or said anything to discourage him or anyone else from playing how they want.
Id apppreciate the developers not placing large time investments or arbitrary level gates so i can still play at pace i find acceptable, dont see why that stops him playing that way if he chooses...
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You may not have said specifically those details, but you told him his base looked like ♥♥♥♥ and questioned how he could play with those lower tier materials. The toxicity on this forum is unreal. Some guy posts a pic of his base and 3 damn people all throw ♥♥♥♥ at him.

 
yea that's right!!! so not only are my hord nights more difficult than yours.. but if I want to go loot a POI its also a lot harder!!!! totally not fair!!... educate yourself BROSKI, NERF CRAFTERS!!! they get EZ mode horde nights and loot runs!!!!
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Your argument makes no sense at all, if you enjoy killing zombies but dont want them to incrementaly get more difficult that is a completely sepreate issue to whats being discussed here and yoy should probably make your own thread.

 
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