They are bring a hybrid LBD!

[HammerDano]

Correction. He said that he actually has 98 people if you count externals. Externals probably being contractors aka developers-for-hire who are given specific task

Nope: he said with externals "it is something like that"...kinda like someone talking out of their ■■■.

Just like @madmole you skipped past: is one guy tasked with Bandit AI.

Now I'll ask you: did they decide to skip 2.6 2.7 and 2.8 and get straight to work on 3.0?

So are 98 people working on Bandits right now? or was he MAYBE being hyperbolic? I have acknowledged that the art and the models and the POI's are being worked on...those are ASPECTS of Bandits...but they don't MATTER if the AI doesn't work the way they have stated they intend it to. None of you acknowledging that is true. why is THIS point important to me? it's because they are already a year late and it looks like it will be at least another year before they MAY get in the game. who knows...these guys seem ready to chase some more squirrels instead of finishing the game.

How does it not bother any of you that he said:

This isn't changing a tire. It's impossible to nail down a date on a big feature in a game with 10000 moving parts so I'm sorry but I'd rather say "when it's done" and surprise you with something, than promise some made up bs date and be 12-24 months late. Like I said our plan is to start showing some models off and later some game play. I am pretty confident the first version can drop in 2026, but I don't want to put any sort of timeline on that because it's always twice as long as you think and often 3x4 longer than you think.

they gave themselves a year and a half to complete the roadmap...does it sound like he thought they could accomplish that?

I have taken a lot of grief for saying they lied just to get it back on console platforms...he just indirectly acknowledged I wasn't wrong.

 

[7DaysToDieEnjoyer]

It would be cool if a Tier 3 elite commando has bases in the wasteland that you can raid and loot. The armor they use could be obtained from chests in their bases, the same way as their weapons. For example meybe a tactical shotgun. These would be legendary items that you don’t just find you have to fight for them.

 

[Jost Amman]

It would be cool if a Tier 3 elite commando has bases in the wasteland that you can raid and loot. The armor they use could be obtained from chests in their bases, the same way as their weapons. For example meybe a tactical shotgun. These would be legendary items that you don’t just find you have to fight for them.

A Tier 3 Elite Commando would have a self-destruct in place in case you took their base.
You will NEVER get their loot alive!

 

[7DaysToDieEnjoyer]

A Tier 3 Elite Commando would have a self-destruct in place in case you took their base.
You will NEVER get their loot alive!

Do you see hes model already ? Looks cool

 

[7DaysToDieEnjoyer]

I don’t know if everyone has seen it, but it’s on YouTube lol.

 

[IzPrebuilt]

I don’t know if everyone has seen it, but it’s on YouTube lol.

I saw this and it baffles me because i've no idea WHERE he got that model from I can't find it on any official stuff.

 

[Riamus]

This change is not about you. Neither me. But there are a number of players even in this forum who say they play a single game for more than a hundred hours. Who always complain about a mythical "end game". They'll get a neverending carrot dangling before their eyes to supply their OCD

I'd say that almost every change is about every player because it affects every player. The only ones that don't are things that might only affect people to play a certain way - changes that only impact PVP or changes to a specific weapon that not everyone will use, for example. Anything that affects all players is about all players. In any case, I was giving my opinion. I didn't say that everyone would feel the same.

And may I remind everyone that for example the bicycle inventory has 3 times as many possible slots now as it had before?

Not unless you have storage mods installed. Without them, it is 1 extra space. I did end up with storage mods on my bicycle, and maybe that will be the norm, but it may also be that you don't normally have those for the bicycle. Depends if they reduce drop rates on the schematic, which they should considering it drops all the time. It's worse than the vehicle light schematics.

One or two of your fireplaces might run 82 minutes for a task instead of the perfect 80 minutes for a while until you find or craft one that is better.

And yet does it even matter to have different levels for pots or grills that save you a minute here or there? If they are going to progress "forever," then each level can't save you much time. I know some people do sit there and wait while stuff cooks, so it might matter to them. But I think most people probably don't wait and just start it and leave, so any savings wouldn't even be noticeable. But we'll have to see how they implement it and if it has any value or not after that.

though actually...do engines stack now in vanilla?

No, which is already annoying. Engines and batteries take up way too much space right now. Having to do the same for other items doesn't thrill me. But I suppose it depends which items we are talking about.

 

[7DaysToDieEnjoyer]

I saw this and it baffles me because i've no idea WHERE he got that model from I can't find it on any official stuff.

I know it’s quite strange, but I couldn’t find it too . You still can’t see the colors, but there’s probably a way to make it work somehow.Like this guy did i even make 2 posts on Reddit when i found that video.

 

[Rotor]

I don’t know if everyone has seen it, but it’s on YouTube lol.

With the new food bar depletion rate, and such heavy equip, that bandit should probably only move 2M and start gasping for air.

Which mean they will probably have laser precision aim. Insta kill.

 

[Vaeliorin]

I know some people do sit there and wait while stuff cooks, so it might matter to them.

I do this when I need whatever I'm cooking kinda immediately (like water in my current game. After spending 4 real life hours looking for a cooking pot, I finally made a forge and made one, then needed to wait for some water to cook because I was so thirsty.

No, which is already annoying. Engines and batteries take up way too much space right now. Having to do the same for other items doesn't thrill me. But I suppose it depends which items we are talking about.

Yeah, I usually end up with at least 2 crates full of batteries, and I usually don't have a map last more than 35 days or so. Got a mod so engines stack, though.

 

[Rotor]

I do this when I need whatever I'm cooking kinda immediately (like water in my current game. After spending 4 real life hours looking for a cooking pot, I finally made a forge and made one, then needed to wait for some water to cook because I was so thirsty.


Yeah, I usually end up with at least 2 crates full of batteries, and I usually don't have a map last more than 35 days or so. Got a mod so engines stack, though.

Batteries never get past my loot run. If I ever need them I will go get them. Usually as soon as they inventory I scrap for lead.

 

[meganoth]

Nope: he said with externals "it is something like that"...kinda like someone talking out of their ■■■.

Just like @madmole you skipped past: is one guy tasked with Bandit AI.

I am not an employee of TFP and I don't know (and you know that I am not an employee). Frankly, you skip stuff someone says to you all the time, I don't see a need to be better than you and reference each and every point you make.

Now I'll ask you: did they decide to skip 2.6 2.7 and 2.8 and get straight to work on 3.0?

I don't have the slightest idea. Except for what Faatal said a few days ago about staff that already switched to working on 3.0. I would assume you have read that too.

So are 98 people working on Bandits right now?

Surely not. The number seems to have been thrown out as an approximate number of people in the company together with externals. With externals those numbers probably change from week to week anyway.
But the POI creators would probably do other things and there seems to be other work done in parallel. How accurate the number 98 really is or if it was hyperbole I don't know. I was surprised about that number myself but it is entirely possible given that you can always hire any number of externals if there is a need.
I was simply correcting you when you said "They don't have 98 other people". You can't know that. But thanks for reminding me about the correct words

or was he MAYBE being hyperbolic? I have acknowledged that the art and the models and the POI's are being worked on...those are ASPECTS of Bandits...but they don't MATTER if the AI doesn't work the way they have stated they intend it to. None of you acknowledging that is true. why is THIS point important to me? it's because they are already a year late and it looks like it will be at least another year before they MAY get in the game. who knows...these guys seem ready to chase some more squirrels instead of finishing the game.

How does it not bother any of you that he said:

they gave themselves a year and a half to complete the roadmap...does it sound like he thought they could accomplish that?

I have taken a lot of grief for saying they lied just to get it back on console platforms...he just indirectly acknowledged I wasn't wrong.

This is again jumping to conclusions. We still don't know how they came up with those roadmap numbers.
What he said was that whatever estimates they try to do (presumably internally as well), they are never met. Which is a common "illness" among programmers. And that he said "but I don't want to put any sort of timeline on that" which somewhat contradicts that he previously said they will put out a new timeline again.

Obviously such dates have not much importance to him, or me, or almost everyone else in this forum. Except you. And we can make a safe bet that he will miss the next timeline without hesitation when his developers say they still need time.

 

[4sheetzngeegles]

There is a whole other system with vehicles

But to answer your question yes, one man's supercharger might have a higher percentage than the others.

For the vehicles, does that mean that initially, they will
start off running slower, in order to allow tiered speed
increments.

I ask because there is still an upper limit to chunk load,
and if you go beyond that speed, won't the prior problems
still exist.

 

[meganoth]

I'd say that almost every change is about every player because it affects every player. The only ones that don't are things that might only affect people to play a certain way - changes that only impact PVP or changes to a specific weapon that not everyone will use, for example. Anything that affects all players is about all players. In any case, I was giving my opinion. I didn't say that everyone would feel the same.

"A change is about you": a change is made with you or people like you in mind
"A change affects you": you will notice it, maybe even have to do something differently.

This change is not about you. Neither me. We both seem to restart our games when we have everything.

Not unless you have storage mods installed. Without them, it is 1 extra space. I did end up with storage mods on my bicycle, and maybe that will be the norm, but it may also be that you don't normally have those for the bicycle. Depends if they reduce drop rates on the schematic, which they should considering it drops all the time. It's worse than the vehicle light schematics.

Yes, that you have access to storage mods was implied by me, I didn't think I need to state the obvious, especially when it is really easy to get. In my current 2-player game where we just had the first horde night we already built a storage mod for both of us. Also the trader had one for sale If I am remembering correctly.

And yet does it even matter to have different levels for pots or grills that save you a minute here or there? If they are going to progress "forever," then each level can't save you much time. I know some people do sit there and wait while stuff cooks, so it might matter to them. But I think most people probably don't wait and just start it and leave, so any savings wouldn't even be noticeable. But we'll have to see how they implement it and if it has any value or not after that.

Again, this change is not about you or me. But saying that it isn't about me it still will affect me. I am sure that I will replace a mod I have in any of my weapons immediately with one I just found if it has better stats, even if the difference is small. And if I can eventually craft a pot that is 5,10 or 20% faster because a lot of tiny levels added up to it I will probably craft a new one and put it into my campfire. Because it saves me klicks on the wood I have to put into the campfire every time I want to cook something.

 

[HammerDano]

I am not an employee of TFP and I don't know (and you know that I am not an employee). Frankly, you skip stuff someone says to you all the time, I don't see a need to be better than you and reference each and every point you make.



I don't have the slightest idea. Except for what Faatal said a few days ago about staff that already switched to working on 3.0. I would assume you have read that too.



Surely not. The number seems to have been thrown out as an approximate number of people in the company together with externals. With externals those numbers probably change from week to week anyway.
But the POI creators would probably do other things and there seems to be other work done in parallel. How accurate the number 98 really is or if it was hyperbole I don't know. I was surprised about that number myself but it is entirely possible given that you can always hire any number of externals if there is a need.
I was simply correcting you when you said "They don't have 98 other people". You can't know that. But thanks for reminding me about the correct words



This is again jumping to conclusions. We still don't know how they came up with those roadmap numbers.
What he said was that whatever estimates they try to do (presumably internally as well), they are never met. Which is a common "illness" among programmers. And that he said "but I don't want to put any sort of timeline on that" which somewhat contradicts that he previously said they will put out a new timeline again.

Obviously such dates have not much importance to him, or me, or almost everyone else in this forum. Except you. And we can make a safe bet that he will miss the next timeline without hesitation when his developers say they still need time.

why did you bother replying to me? you don't have any answers to those questions...just snarky attempts to be clever.

"we" don't know how they came up with those dates...are you not the same person who tried to tell me you calculated it was just possible for them to meet the road map dates when they made them? yes...yes you are.

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

Nope: he said with externals "it is something like that"...kinda like someone talking out of their ■■■.

Just like @madmole you skipped past: is one guy tasked with Bandit AI.

Now I'll ask you: did they decide to skip 2.6 2.7 and 2.8 and get straight to work on 3.0?

So are 98 people working on Bandits right now? or was he MAYBE being hyperbolic? I have acknowledged that the art and the models and the POI's are being worked on...those are ASPECTS of Bandits...but they don't MATTER if the AI doesn't work the way they have stated they intend it to. None of you acknowledging that is true. why is THIS point important to me? it's because they are already a year late and it looks like it will be at least another year before they MAY get in the game. who knows...these guys seem ready to chase some more squirrels instead of finishing the game.

How does it not bother any of you that he said:

they gave themselves a year and a half to complete the roadmap...does it sound like he thought they could accomplish that?

I have taken a lot of grief for saying they lied just to get it back on console platforms...he just indirectly acknowledged I wasn't wrong.

CD Projekt Red were on the right track with Cyberpunk when they responded the game would be released when it was good and ready for release. Alas, the company went public mid-development and the pressure for ROI was on. Someone, somewhere decided to release the game two years before it was ready for release according to the devs who so warned the CEOs of the fact. And what happened? One of the most disastrous launches in video game history.

I know you won't and/or don't want to, but I say give them all the time they need to cook. Else the coveted bandits and everything else to come will be half-baked.

 

[HammerDano]

CD Projekt Red were on the right track with Cyberpunk when they responded the game would be released when it was good and ready for release. Alas, the company went public mid-development and the pressure for ROI was on. Someone, somewhere decided to release the game two years before it was ready for release according to the devs who so warned the CEOs of the fact. And what happened? One of the most disastrous launches in video game history.

I know you won't and/or don't want to, but I say give them all the time they need to cook. Else the coveted bandits and everything else to come will be half-baked.

what I would really like is for them to be honest
You and Adam are not wrong...TFP will need time to "cook"...what I am ■■■■ed off about is they can't admit they lied to get it back on console. They lied to get console gamers to but back in. Hell...they started dumbing down what they had since 2019 when they decided console would need to buy it again as a "new" game...and let PC gamers cry and complain without telling them they weren't going to get the best game THEIR system could handle. Nope...but they blame the ■■■■ out of the "s"...which is half of the Xboxes sold. They could have been honest...but they never seem to pick it as the first option.

 

[Kazgrel]

"pushback" and it's 4 people jerking themselves off in an obscure internet forum.

You COULD actually go and engage with the broader community on youtube and other social medias and see how little "pushback" there actually is

Been subscribed to your channel and many other ones for years, and yes, the "pushback" is mostly contained here, on the official forums, which the devs are more likely to read (but are not restricted to, of course).

But to touch on the other part of that comment of mine, it's good to see some more ideas from Joel on how this whole thing is going to work. It sounds very promising, because much like what he described, once you have g6 everything, it's basically game over.

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

what I would really like is for them to be honest
You and Adam are not wrong...TFP will need time to "cook"...what I am ■■■■ed off about is they can't admit they lied to get it back on console. They lied to get console gamers to but back in. Hell...they started dumbing down what they had since 2019 when they decided console would need to buy it again as a "new" game...and let PC gamers cry and complain without telling them they weren't going to get the best game THEIR system could handle. Nope...but they blame the ■■■■ out of the "s"...which is half of the Xboxes sold. They could have been honest...but they never seem to pick it as the first option.

I don't think they lied. I think the new deal to make a console port after the nightmare scenario they went through with Telltale forced them to produce a rough estimate/timeline. Was that a precondition set by the console manufacturers? No one knows but TFP. We weren't in on the negotiations. But I've been under the distinct impression they've been under intense, anonymous, impersonal pressure to finish the game, else 2.0 wouldn't have come across as it did. Crunch time. Crunch time never changes.

I think it's horrible console players had to buy the game again in order to get the updated version PC players had enjoyed for years and suspect that's a console manufacturer decision. TFP did try to get at least a discount for console players on the updated version.

 

[Rotor]

I bought my last console when Sega Genesis was the poop. I have bought several, since, for kids family, etc. But I wouldn't get caught dead with one in my gaming hardware.