Story Mode Controversy --REDUX

[murky water]

The reason it's important is because if you either think all such depictions are bad and I can write off this thread as being unrealistic in expectations or you don't agree they are bad and you are biased in your ideology and you are not holding everyone to the same standard.

I have no issues deciding whether something breaks my moral compass and is racist. I take into account motive, context and other factors such as time and place. For example a stand up comedy special with taboo topics might be offensive or racist but in the context of a stand up comedy it's purpose isn't to deride. Also I do not agree the story of a Native American that owns a casino is racist or bad in itself nor if he is an antagonist. I think such notions of lazy Native Americans are antiquated and an opinion wouldn't form or change due to their portrayal in 7D2D.

I understand what you are saying. I just don't agree with the premise.

my guy, if the only answers you will accept are answers you've already decided are worthless and therefore are ones in which you've "won" preemptively then you aren't looking for answers you are looking for justification.

The thread stems from ideology. It's the entire point.

if this is your honest feeling on the matter then anything i or anyone else says will be too insubstantive to convince you to change your mind.

 

[murky water]

It was like "the wave" that spectators at sports events often do to show support or celebrate a great play. The Tomahawk Chop was a similar type of move that fans of the Kansas City Chiefs and Atlanta Braves would do and because of criticism, the action has been downplayed and modified. They used to beat drums and do warlike chants and basically act like stereotypical Indian warriors.

ok well it being sports is certainly why i was out of the loop. the only time i was ever invested as an adult was right after old lizzie died and the lads cheering during the rovers and djurgårdens game decided to bring it up and i know for an absolute fact that telling what i thought of it would get me kicked from this thread so i will leave it at that x''D

 

[4sheetzngeegles]

the original Frostclaw

The ai pulled reference from Wolverine's brother, Sabretooth from the alt universe.
I knew something about it felt familiar from my comics, I just chalked it up to AI.

So I did a slo mo transition.

 

[Kire]

It's not that the Duke is a "bad guy." It's that he embodies pre-existing, real-life racial stereotypes about Native Americans, specifically the "Casino Indian" stereotype (and to some degree the "Ignoble Savage" stereotype).

There are plenty of ways to make a Native American the bad guy without using these stereotypes.

As to my goal: Plenty of people (American or not) don't realize that these are racial stereotypes. My hope is that The Fun Pimps also don't want the plot of their game to be racist (because they're not racist), so when they realize it is, they will voluntarily go in a different direction.

So then they should change the traders in the game as well no? 3 of them embody pre-existing, real-life racial stereotypes about whites; a bunch rednecks. And the only woman there seems to be treated as eye candy for men. I'm sure not every person living in Arizona is like that, yet the game makes it seem otherwise. I haven't seen any others in the game, and those that are coming will be bandits not friendly survivors. What if the bandits will be black?

 

[Jost Amman]

What if the bandits will be black?

That would be another big can of worms for TFP to sort out!
If we have THIS level of sensibility for native Americans, I can't imagine what will happen with that...

 

[Kyoji]

my guy, if the only answers you will accept are answers you've already decided are worthless and therefore are ones in which you've "won" preemptively then you aren't looking for answers you are looking for justification.

I didn't say they were the only ones. I said if those were your reasons then I can deduce my own conclusion. I offered, for example, an alternative perspective that you can take each item individually and determine what is offensive. Though I find it telling no one has answered whether those concepts were problematic or not.

if this is your honest feeling on the matter then anything i or anyone else says will be too insubstantive to convince you to change your mind.

I think you are not understanding the definition of ideology. Your beliefs shape your opinions or are you suggesting it is Mala in se?

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So then they should change the traders in the game as well no? 3 of them embody pre-existing, real-life racial stereotypes about whites; a bunch rednecks. And the only woman there seems to be treated as eye candy for men. I'm sure not every person living in Arizona is like that, yet the game makes it seem otherwise. I haven't seen any others in the game, and those that are coming will be bandits not friendly survivors. What if the bandits will be black?

This is also why these topics are difficult to discuss because every person has their own moral compass.

 

[theFlu]

I think you are not understanding the definition of ideology.

I think he's mainly verifying your stance; it could be rephrased as: unless you already subscribe to the ideology, the evidence is admittedly too weak to convince you ...

 

[Dead Smarty]

What if the bandits will be black?

Or even worse... What if all baddies are white middle aged males?
I mean, not all white folks are descendants from slavers, colonists or that Austrian corporals fanclub...

 

[Jost Amman]

not all white folks are descendants from slavers

A couple hundreds years ago, whites were slavers, blacks were slavers, Asians were slavers, even native Americans were slavers.
Whoever talks about white people being the only ones pushing slavery in the past are either biased or ignorant.