PC When will A17 experimental be released 3?
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They made a movie faster than TFP can release an update that is an amazing thing , and to be honest with the new picture i cant really see the graphic difference betwenn a16 and a17 to me its basicly the same texture at 90% nothing close to the AAA game so what is taking so long they said we have a bug BUT what is this bug? we cant know?
CAn you telll us what is making you reporting the update week after week ... we all paid for a game we want to know , what , when and why ? .. TELL US WHAT IS THE BUG! and i heard you let down the gerocopter ? it is true? and Why i dont see new way to kill zombie ?
We still have the same arsenal for our forteress ? (Shotgun turet - Dart trap - Blade -electric cable and some stuff doing absolutly nothing when u play 64+ Mobs per player ... WE needed new arsenal to make new defense system cause now we still on the same patern we will do mostly the same thing as a16 .... but you will have a jeep to have some fun but at day 7 it will be exacly samething as a16 ... Dont give up but give some info to your fans
CAn you telll us what is making you reporting the update week after week ... we all paid for a game we want to know , what , when and why ? .. TELL US WHAT IS THE BUG! and i heard you let down the gerocopter ? it is true? and Why i dont see new way to kill zombie ?
We still have the same arsenal for our forteress ? (Shotgun turet - Dart trap - Blade -electric cable and some stuff doing absolutly nothing when u play 64+ Mobs per player ... WE needed new arsenal to make new defense system cause now we still on the same patern we will do mostly the same thing as a16 .... but you will have a jeep to have some fun but at day 7 it will be exacly samething as a16 ... Dont give up but give some info to your fans
Not exactly. People expect a certain release date when one of the devs (MM) explicitly says it will be out in July and then nothing. They should either have said nothing or picked a realistic date. Now they're dealing with well deserved grief.
The problem is I've been reluctant to start a new game, put tons of work into it and then have to start over when A17 is released. In hindsight, I probably should have started a new game...
JCrook1028
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NO dev EVER "explicitly" said it would be out in July. Period.
MM said "maybe". Facts matter - learn to use them.
Space4Ace
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Just be patient man, it will eventually be out.
It's not just one bug, it's some features that are in but not completed, it's a few bugs that are fixed but reappear once other stuff is fixed... And so on.
So, be a nice Quebecois and just relax, start a new game of 7 Days to Die, or play another game, while waiting for this to be good enough to be released... On a Monday sometime... Soon (maybe October???)
Khulkhuum
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There are so many holes in those statements... Logic holes i mean, because you Sir have been shifting "blame" (from a lack of a better word let's use this one) all around, but don't see the inner workings here. Let me respond to that:@Jedo: Yeah but you are comparing apples and orangesAt least in my mind.
This game is not unconditionally. The condition beeing, that I paid for access (which i didn'T have in A14&15 btw
I have invested something and expect some sort of return.
A child beeing born 2 weeks later is not a failure, because there is no (additional) investment required. But if the father has taken 2 weeks off to be their for mother and child, then there is.
If a movie gets pushed back then there is no(additional) investment taken.
But if you have booked and paid for a ticket on releaseday, where you have taken a day off and it THEN becomes delayed, there is.
You see what I mean? If you have a problem with that is a different story. Maybe you don't care. And obviously I have an understanding in game development and patience... but that will wear off someday. For some it wears off after a few weeks... for some after months or years.
1) I don't think anyone DEMANDS TFPs to listen to them. (well there are always some pricks who do) but if there is a problem and you give them hints how to fix it or complain that it isn't fixed, that is not an irrational thing to do. And if they ignore you completly, you have the right to get mad.
2) generally not wrong. but as I have stated.
-If the plumber tells you he'll come "after 1pm" and he shows up at 10pm... he told you when he would come. If you had different expectations, then this is your problem.- Is not valid, because there are generally some social/economic and other rules and values that contribute to our expectation. As I have said. Legally, the plumber is not in the wrong (maybe some law only allows him to come until 8pm or something but u know what i mean), that doesn'T mean that you have no grounds to complain. It is not your "faulty expectations".
PS: sometimes i get condescending, when ppl don't see what I mean. Please do not be offended... its a personal flaw and not an attack on you
0. If you book a holiday for the due date of your child and it comes 2 weeks late it's your fault, not the childs. It is in the same manner as if you booked the same 2 week holiday to help your wife/woman (presumably quite a lot earlier), but the child came to be 2 weeks earlier. Or from another standpoint - You bought one baby crib, but you got twins or triplets (people sometimes don't notice that on USG). This is simply planning for a situation where you don't know every variable - you would have to get GOD level access to all of the baby stats to be 100% THE DAY is THE DAY, not some other one. As you do not have all this info, doctors guess on the birth day is definitely better than most people, but it is still a guess and not a 100% fact, because like i said, lack of all the stats.
1. TFPs give a lot of feedback on what they are doing, what they have worked on and also what you can expect of the update. Sure, unforseen consequences, but everyone saying that they don't care, don't listen or don't bother are simply blind, disregard the truth or are simply stupid. That is my personal view on the matter, but considering the amount of information they sent for this update, i am pretty sure i got the statement through.
2. IF i call a plumber and he tells me he'll come after 1pm, but he does not come until let's say 2.30pm i start calling him demanding explanations. By 10pm i would have the problem solved already with this plumber or another, more reliable one simply. This is what i call being responsible for your and other peoples time. If someone tells me he will be at some time, i don't expect a couple hours of wait. If he stated that he probably would be at 1pm, but will call when his current job ends that is okay, because he states that it can take longer. Still it is in my decision to agree or to seek another who is more free with his time at the moment.
As i assume, point #2 is towards the time spent on the A17 being in development. Sure, fine... But noone said it would be exactly on a specific day/month, although there were estimations on the time. Like in my example with the plumber: "Sure, i could be available on 1pm, but i don't know exactly how my current work will go and it could go as far as me being free on 10pm" is way more reliable than someone saying "Sure, i'll be on 1pm" and without any information coming back around 10pm. If such a person would come, i would simply shut the door against his face.
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skullpoker
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Crap. I lost the game. Thanks a lot.
I other news, I'm not really salty that 17 isn't out yet because there was some news about it posted. 'Updated UNITY version, more content being added, many yadda's' Those kinds of updates are great for alleviating distress over delays, so I suggest a closed thread specifically for that sort of updates in parallel to the Developer Diary, since I wouldn't guess that many people click back to read the first page often.
Li'l bit, not too salty tho.
NBornkilla
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next week
Frisky Minx
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I predict: A17E Release during the Beta for a different Game with the Number 76 in it.
Xanider2291
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I'll quit wow again and play em both! idgaf :smile-new:
The cake example has the problem that in reality you would order a cake for a specific date (the birthday of that person or a scheduled visit). The thing is time would be important in this case. And that is a reasonable approach for buying anything: Whichever conditions are important to you (i.e. if the cake has a cherry on top, if it arrives in time) you specify or check before the buy, everything else you leave to the discretion of the seller. But if the seller for example says I can't guarantee what you are asking for (the cherry or the delivery date) then it is your choice to still buy or not. But if you then buy, don't fret if in the end there is no cherry on top.
So lets look at a different example, a fusion reaktor. Governments give money and "order" working fusion reaktors for decades now. Because the scientists can't give any accurate dates for success (even worse than game development, obviously), governments didn't even ask for a specific date to be announced and it was the governments decision to give the money anyway. The fusion reaktor is still not finished, but do you see governments grumble constantly that they were promised a fusion reaktor NOW ? And if yes, did they form false expectations that simply can't be fullfilled by the scientists?
But lets talk about EA specifically. It is a development model where time between alpha releases and time to complete is neither in the contract nor has there been enough precedent for anyone to form "reasonable" expectations. You made assumptions about EA that are too narrow, which is understandable because of general lack of experience with that model (like the father who thought the estimation of the doctor was accurate and found out a baby can be weeks early or late. He probably won't make this mistake again).
But it simply means for you time of delivery is important and you therefore should ask EA projects to give you time guarantees and if they don't do that to your satisfaction (most of them won't), skip them. That a few other EA projects actually met your expectations generates no obligation for other EA titles to do that as well.
Viktoriusiii
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I think (to keep it short) the biggest difference between most of u, and people like me is, that we see a certain... responsibility from EA titles and their devteam.
I do not say that they aren'T doing their job. I'm not even saying that they are bad at their job.
BUT games like ARK (yes totally different game and coding and stuff but I want the overall message) released steady patches without any savefile issues. Only time they wiped was when new areas came. And after 1-2 years they released a full game.
Why does this game take SO MUCH LONGER in development then other EA titles? There must be reasons. And those reasons SHOULD be communicated.
They do not have any obligation to do so. But it would certainly help us understand, why we are over 2 months over "initial release estimate".
Give us A "Development" thread where only devs can post on a (bi)weekly basis what they are doing, what they are struggling with and if they are still on time. That would give everyone a WAY better feeling then just "its done when its done".
I do not say that they aren'T doing their job. I'm not even saying that they are bad at their job.
BUT games like ARK (yes totally different game and coding and stuff but I want the overall message) released steady patches without any savefile issues. Only time they wiped was when new areas came. And after 1-2 years they released a full game.
Why does this game take SO MUCH LONGER in development then other EA titles? There must be reasons. And those reasons SHOULD be communicated.
They do not have any obligation to do so. But it would certainly help us understand, why we are over 2 months over "initial release estimate".
Give us A "Development" thread where only devs can post on a (bi)weekly basis what they are doing, what they are struggling with and if they are still on time. That would give everyone a WAY better feeling then just "its done when its done".
JCrook1028
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Yes, you're right. That is the major difference between "us" and "you". You see "responsibilities" on the part of TFP where none exist.
What are they doing that all the other EA games are not? They are working with a 100% voxel environment. This HAS been communicated to us multiple times. You seem to simply ignore the fact tho that it compounds the difficulty level exponentially over other titles. What other game is comparable to 7dtd in that way?
What are they doing that all the other EA games are not? They are working with a 100% voxel environment. This HAS been communicated to us multiple times. You seem to simply ignore the fact tho that it compounds the difficulty level exponentially over other titles. What other game is comparable to 7dtd in that way?
Captnrex
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Regardless of "difficulty", being over a year for an update is too long. I used to defend the time they took against people that questioned it, but I am at the point of just give us something new already lol. This is honestly one of the main issues players have with 7d2d, that and communication (least on steam), though I would really like a roadmap for the game (no not the old kickstarter list)
Jedo
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Where does your sense of their responsibilities come from? I think your answer will be illuminating.
Your "BUT" is a very strong negation of the immediately preceding sentences.
What is your argument? You kind of shift from "the development process should be different" to "they should communicate why their process is different." That's a world of difference.
Interesting that you say they "should," then immediately turn around and say that they have no obligation. "Should" means an obligation of some kind.
What is the basis for the claim that this update cycle is "too long"?
Captnrex
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really? 1 year for an update for a 5 year old game in alpha is ok?
I remember several other EA games that tried the whole long gap between patches (like starbound when it first hit EA) and it was met with overwhelming negativity from people that backed them. This isn't some private project that with no one waiting on the progress. If the steam reviews are anything to go by almost half the more recent reviews are negative because they are taking so long for the patch, with people turning off their servers too.
The reason I complain about this is because I love the game, I want it to blow people away, but when people who might be interested get turned off seeing a year since the last update they have a pretty good chance to not buy it, because really I wouldn't buy a game with that much of a gap either.
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