Chronosphere
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Lets ♥♥♥♥ing goooooooooooooooooooooooooooo woooooooooooo! Xddd <33333
PC So this is where roland said to go to gripe about a17 and the early release...
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PerpetualVoid
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As respectful as I can be. WHY THE CRAP ARE THE REST OF US NOT GETTING A CHANCE AT THIS? THE CRAP MAKES STREAMERS SO FREAKING SPECIAL?
I mean really I can see releasing it in the middle of the week for streamers. But choosing to release on a weekend when the rest of us have time off to actually sit down and play the game instead will be playing 16.4 because who gives a flying ♥♥♥♥ about watching someone else play a game.
"Slow claps for bad decision making"
I really hate that one of my first posts to the forum is so salty but really the hype train for this has been almost as bad as the Desert Tech MDR
I mean really I can see releasing it in the middle of the week for streamers. But choosing to release on a weekend when the rest of us have time off to actually sit down and play the game instead will be playing 16.4 because who gives a flying ♥♥♥♥ about watching someone else play a game.
"Slow claps for bad decision making"
I really hate that one of my first posts to the forum is so salty but really the hype train for this has been almost as bad as the Desert Tech MDR
Roland
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You are getting a chance at it. On Monday. Your access to 7 Days to Die has not been suspended. You can still play a development build of the game. Streamers are not more special than you. Streamers are media outlets so they are being used for promotional purposes. There is no reason, other than your own choice, that you can't start a channel and qualify for the next event before A18 if you wish. Anyone was welcome to participate as long as they met the qualifications.
The game in it's current form is not so much about playing as it is for testing. The first priority is to get it stable so having approximately 120 people play helps the devs get any bad kinks out in a manageable way. Think of it as a soft launch. Australia often gets things first before the rest of the world because companies like to test the waters before the general population gets it. Monday as a launch day for experimental works better for the developers to be able to quickly get hotfix patches done and really that is what really matters right now-- what is best for development. If your perspective is simply playing a game I suspect you will be disappointed by experimental anyway and you might want to wait for stable release in a few weeks.
Finally, quite a few people care about watching someone else play. Millions do in fact.
PerpetualVoid
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So by that notion I'm being used like the millions of others to what fund this marketing fiasco? I understand that you are getting a lot of backlash over this and honestly should be. Yes I signed up for early access. I understand what that entails. I don't expect to ever even see this game release. Alpha for life.
Yes I'm mad I'm trying to actually reign it in. I had hopes that a smaller studio wouldn't act like Bethesda.
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I'd like to if the industry wasn't falling apart and now the last line of defense the indi devs are just sitting back and using the fan base as bad as the AAA developers are.
JCrook1028
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If you call being a consumer and getting tons of entertainment value out of your purchase of this game for a low cost being used then yes, you are being used. I know I personally have more hours in this game than any other and at half the cost of many of my other games. Quite the value per dollar to me.
If everyone could do it, everyone WOULD do it. Let's face if, as a female, if you don't have *ample* attributes and are over 30 it's pretty tough to get a viewer base going.
I have to join the gripe bandwagon - who wants to WATCH a game being played? I'd much rather play it myself and be surprised/excited/scared because I don't know what to expect, bugs and all.
Sadly, you can't make everyone happy. I think it's just a bit irritating for us "little guys" to keep getting the shaft and this is an easy outlet.
RestInPieces
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I don't know about the game industry, but things aren't looking up for the music industry :S
Roland
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fiasco? It was wildly successful when we did it before A16. This is our second outing and is being done in a much better and inclusive way. I guess we will see if it turns out to be a fiasco but so far I'm hopeful for at least as much success as the first time. Did you not realize that we've already done this before and that the reason we are doing it again is because it was the opposite of a fiasco?
Not so much actually and I guess if we should be we would be.
Not sure that you do. Anyone can say they understand but actions speak louder and your stance seems to indicate that you believe it entails more than what you are getting.
Yeah, but you probably didn't expect to see A17 experimental release this year either and you were wrong on that count. People like you who expect doom and gloom and actually even hope for TFP to fail stop by every single alpha release to let us all know that the game will be abandoned, it will never leave alpha, the devs have cut and run, blah blah blah. Well A17 is here and the game will leave alpha when it is time and TFP will continue to be wildly successful doing thing the way they are doing.
pattyboy27
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We get some things first because we're +10 GMT, not because we're not part of "the general population" thanks. Unless you're thinking of Tasmania, where they have two heads and marry their siblings....
layful: As for the point of the thread: would you rather TFP spend $$ using mainstream marketing techniques (massive cost for minimal ROI / penetration) or attach themselves to some streamers which is likely free and can target potential customers directly? Without going all Ben Lee - we're all in this together, and having more purchases of the game benefits the core player base too because it's allowed development to continue to this point.
Go check out games like Reign of Kings or any of the other dozens of Steam EA games that failed or took off with your money for a bit of perspective on what the complaint here is.
Roland
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Tasmania aside you guys often get things weeks or months in advance which can't be explained by the truth that when the world ends you'll also know that first by about 10 hrs....We get some things first because we're +10 GMT, not because we're not part of "the general population" thanks. Unless you're thinking of Tasmania, where they have two heads and marry their siblings....
bishopsbourne
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Nothing wrong with being a Tasmanian, Both my heads say so.Tasmania aside you guys often get things weeks or months in advance which can't be explained by the truth that when the world ends you'll also know that first by about 10 hrs....
Classic entitled whiner! good job!
I'll say it again more slowly since you and others cannot comprehend. Alpha 17.0 stable will release to everyone just like every alpha before it. They used to only allow access to experimental for the testing team but have now opened it up in the past two alphas. They are GIVING YOU ACCESS BUT ARE NOT REQUIRED TO. That's right, TFP has actually gotten us more involved in the testing and also wedged in an opportunity for some free marketing.
Only an entitled baby would take that and still find something to complain about.
Roland
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+1
We are entitled to exactly what we purchased. I purchased Alpha 5. What did you purchase? Can’t have been A17 as it’s not available yet. I’m pretty sure there’s at least one build you can play this weekend while the event happens. No access to playing a development build is being suspended.
Technically, I can’t even play what I purchased any more. Thank goodness no streamer is showing Alpha 5 or I might have cause to complain.
Clodiman
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I disagree with you. What the streamers are getting isn't even stable...Why are you complaining about them getting some PR out for the new release? Heck use this as a chance to see what bugs the streamers are running into or even what has changed to perhaps not feel like a newbie once it drops.
On the other hand I understand your frustration. Back when TFP first made the announcement that Streamers would have access to early release I was infuriated, but after thinking about it I understood their choice. Why should we be upset about something that we didn't have access to being given to Streamers for a sneak peek.
I don't know if it's because it is hard to get a tone from text or not but Roland is being kind of a ♥♥♥♥ here.
I think people have a valid gripe here. Sucking up to streamers is obviously begging for views. Free press is free press. It's at the cost of us earlier backers (Roland included Mr. Alpha 4 Vet). Will it be successful? Probably. They are running a business here. Loads of companies offer open beta access for everyone and then streamers flock to them. Everyone gets a dip and these streamers may pull in folks in the form of free advertising.
People who have poured countless hours into the game are worth no less than streamers. The pandering isn't going to stop me from checking out a17. I totally get why TFP wants to suck up to streamers and their viewers by proxy. It's just kinda crappy to us.
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I think people have a valid gripe here. Sucking up to streamers is obviously begging for views. Free press is free press. It's at the cost of us earlier backers (Roland included Mr. Alpha 4 Vet). Will it be successful? Probably. They are running a business here. Loads of companies offer open beta access for everyone and then streamers flock to them. Everyone gets a dip and these streamers may pull in folks in the form of free advertising.
People who have poured countless hours into the game are worth no less than streamers. The pandering isn't going to stop me from checking out a17. I totally get why TFP wants to suck up to streamers and their viewers by proxy. It's just kinda crappy to us.
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