RipClaw
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It shouldn't have been inexperience, since he's been playing the game since Alpha 16. I would see it as a bad habit.
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Melange
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Or frenzy. We've all been there...too focused on the the glue to be able to stick another option...yeah, craft it. It's not like we have (mostly) a picture perfect view of our inventory. The game allows us to mess up. And we pay for it.
I still miss stuff (opportunities) and have been involved for longer than A16. This isn't a chess game, its a 'do what ya think is best at the time' game. Then go, "Oh well that wasn't what I wanted'. Lesson hopefully learned.
Keeps us awake - or imo it should :scared:
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Jinx_DG
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And how many comments did that video get about that person should just craft the glue? It's been my experience that most vids (high sub count) for this game are created for content, not as an actual game playthrough. It's all about the views, engagement and edititng. Most feel building, crafting, mining, the menial tasks make for boring content, while a longtime player searching for one glue creates: suspense (will he find it so he can make that one item he desperately needs/wants? ), engagement (comment after comment about how it could be crafted ect.), which leads the algorithm to promote that vid for more views, more views = more subs which = more money.
By chance I saw a report yesterday on TV about ways to be successful on youtube, and one trick mentioned was to add mistakes, in this case mispronounced words, to generate discussion. Really.
Imagine all the deep philosophical discussion generated by saying "fooltime job" and searching for glue!!
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Jinx_DG
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But the real question is: Are content creators creating content for people to watch or are they creating content for the Youtube algorithm? It's a fine balance to maintain for them I'm sure, but as a player myself spotting the creators who have watched to many how to Youtube is doubled edged.
Quillbeatssword
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Well. Sort of. Certain mods already make up for that in other ways. Other gameplay mechanics could also.
Instead of houses full of ambush zombies. Sitting and nonsensically waiting for you to enter a certain room even though you just shot off 30 rounds outside the front door
You'd just have houses full of potential zombie spawns. That could and would enter any fighting they hear. Now couple that with increased hearing/sight ranges for zombies. Then things like random wandering hordes.
I'm not saying you couldn't still spawn zombies in closets and on trusses but they wouldn't be completely oblivious to the outside world. So yeah. If you shoot a gun every zombie in any house on the street might come for you.
But if you're moving quietly and happen to get surprised and have to shoot it could get really bad. Really quick. With every zombie on the street now coming while you're corned inside of a house.
Now Imagine that happening as a random horde of 5-60 zeds are close too. Now Imagine that at night..
There are plenty of ways to keep zombies dangerous and random WITHOUT turning it into a weird dungeon crawler
But like I said. I do also enjoy the suspense of exploring a new poi. Just not all the time. Sometimes I just wish it was more organic.
That's why a toggle would be ideal.
Wouldn't be that hard. Just a toggle to replace all sleepers with static zombie spawns. You could even make those spawns have a 100% chance of occurring so then a poi with 14 sleepers would still jave 14 zombies in those 14 spots. They just wouldn't be oblivious.
Imagine firing a gun in a city and waking that many pois at once. Can you imagine how crazy that could get and fast?
bdubyah
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That's just not possible in the game currently. If you were in a city and every zombie sleeper within gunshot range spawned in, that's the max cap hit immediately. No zombies anywhere else. Not to mention the lag that would be caused by all them spawning at once. Which was probably the main reasons why they went the sleeper route. If they could easily have hundreds of zombies at once then you could have them spawning in buildings as part of the biome spawns and not need sleeper volumes at all. But that isn't feasible.
beerfly
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Roland
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No imagination needed. Just the memory of past alphas when the game was exactly as you mentioned. There is a reason the devs shifted away from that to sleeper volumes. It’s not like what you propose hasn’t already been tried.
Since it already exists as a mod by your own admission then you already have your option. Sounds like a good setting best left as a mod where people will be more forgiving of the performance hits, the destroyed interiors of nearby POIs and all the empty boring POIs with free unguarded loot a few streets over once the max alive number is hit.
Que in the questions from the forum:
What's movie-guy Shawns real name?
When will the movie be released? How many alphas are planned for it?
Does the real Shawn look similar to movie-guy Shawn?
What other dev tools are in the prefab error?
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Additionally, IIRC, the introduction of bandits is just a first iteration. Yes, as jorbascrumps said, they will be very basic at first. They won't drive, they won't build, they won't loot. They'll spawn like zombies and attack you like zombies, some with melee, some with ranged weapons. While they won't build, they will probably spawn in POIs (given faatals recent comments).
In the future, it's likely that their behavior will be enhanced. However I don't recall that any specific details have been shared. Maybe they'll drive? Maybe they'll build basic structures? Maybe they'll target your loot? These are just guesses, but I don't expect that bandits will be entities that exist persistently in the world with goals independent from the players actions. They'll spawn randomly as players roam the world.
bdubyah
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Pretty sure they've said before they won't do any of that. I don't know why anyone would expect them to. If having a follower be an animal or person was too complicated, I don't see how having AI drive would be any more possible. If they navigate smartly, can advance/retreat, and take cover I would be happy. Anything else is just a bonus.
I agree. I would rate the importance of having bandits in A21 above releasing before christmas.
Kalex
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Howlune
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I was expecting this reply. My point is understanding what could have caused that cut off, so myself and others I know can make an honest effort to improve how we enjoy this game. We fully realize its not the priority of the devs, we want to better know how to fix it ourselves.
Roland
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He knows. Regardless, he would like to be able to have the game be able to do what it used to be able to do. It will be a something to find out once A21 hits whether the large server woes of A20 were an isolated downturn for those builds or whether it will continue. Personally, I hope the game can once again handle large communities as it can't hurt the wider appeal of the game.
I winced on your behalf....
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