Astronomical
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They'll still have the advantage of more time to loot though, but I guess that's a trade off so 120 days may not always be easier now.
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They'll still have the advantage of more time to loot though, but I guess that's a trade off so 120 days may not always be easier now.
Blake_
Captain Obvious
Well, the point isn't always about questing or Horde nights or even base building. We also have hunting, mining and one of my favourites : exploring. We might also get underground exploring, random events both indoors and out, wtf moments in the wild, sightseeing, 'viewcatching', 'foolmaking', 'partnermocking', 'chickenharassing', 'skydiving', 'bearjumping' or 'partylaughing'. All of those things or 'features' do add up to the whole experience and I personally find that as much of a veteran efficient performer that one might be, one is always wanting to do more useless tasks to just have fun, but the game won't let you fully engage in that foolish endeavor, even as a late game character. Now, a safe haven that costs 10000 dukes a night is something, but the easier way is just more time. That's the why I would love not having to edit 240 min or 480 min days in the game vs your 30mins or 40 that are, indeed, among the starting options already.This brings up a good point. Some players let their meters fall to the point where they first get penalized and then eat/drink to fill up and they don’t feel like they are having to eat/drink all the time. Others can’t stand to see anything less than a full meter so they are constantly eating to maintain meters at 100%. This is also something people don’t usually disclose when they complain about how often the game requires them to eat and drink.
I’m not an extreme advocate for shorter days but I do enjoy doing a playthrough from time to time at 30 or 40 minute days. I love the time pressure and the more realistic representation of how much work I would be able to get done in an actual day. Fewer daily quests are possible and often you get caught in the middle of one at day’s end which makes for a spicy ending and return trip. For that reason I never play at settings longer than the default because of how cheesy it feels to me having so much time to prepare for horde night.
Sure, horde night itself is shorter but in my experience most base designs by experienced players can easily repell a horde whether it last 30 minutes or 2 hours or 4 hours. This is especially true if you have given yourself soooooo much extra time to be able to over design your base for the first horde. My horde nights are shorter, true, but I’m also not gorging myself on XP and loot bags like someone who is playing a two hour horde night is. I get fewer rewards and less time to repair and prepare for the next one.
My horde nights are shorter but still exciting and just as it starts to feel a bit monotonous the sun comes up and it ends.
Hmmm…..maybe I am a strong advocate for shorter days.
RipClaw
Well-known member
You will then have more than 100% food. As far as I know, you can overeat up to 50. These 50 are then a kind of additional reserve food.
Jost Amman
Well-known member
Debatable.
- It's not like we're "gorging" ourselves on XP... we're earning it by fighting, looting and doing activities like everyone else
- You're too easily dismissing how hard it is to endure longer Blood Moons. True, we have more time to prepare, but that only accounts maybe for the first week BM (which is easy anyway). Once you go further in the game, even those who play at 30 mins can be fully ready and have shorter BMs on top of that.
- You didn't consider ammo and base degradation in your equation: a longer BM, especially after the first few, means you need A LOT more ammo, and you could even run out at some point! On top of that, add the fact that zombies are continually bashing on your defenses and damaging your base, so unless you can reach and repair every damaged section, you have a higher risk of a breach, the more the night goes on.
You have an easier life on some aspects, and you can explore the world more, but you also have a tougher time on later BMs IMO.
Vedui
Active member
Personally I'd blame that video creator for all the problems, as them content creators just stir up trouble and add no value! If only he had some useful suggestions instead!
Such as ... Hey TFP... do you think new UIX/mechanics would be possible for A22+++ ?
Ie such as:
1) Pin Recipe (something a number of survival games have implemented to the delight of users, and that even was custom made for a particular Modpack in 7 Days to Die).
2) Crafting pull of items from nearby chests ... while mods (well, one mod in particular implemented it) might do it, I suspect it's not as easy as a simple "stand alone" mod, meaning it's likely to be extremely rare to see it outside of a mod that specifically implements it. Subnautica for instance had a standalone mod like this which was awesome, and really made it more enjoyable...especially if coupled with auto-sort mod and so on
Gamida
Hood Ornament
Yeah I knew it was there and still had trouble seeing it. I use to mod it so it was a bit thicker but now am back to using a gui mod for water and food bars on left by stamina and health, like olden days.
Edit:
Went in and tried again and this is what I had done.
Top one normal bottom one made wider (higher) by 7 pixels
For it to look ok I should have moved it all up a few pixels so the dark under the bars were the same but it was just to see if I remembered where it was.
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You don't need to get back to base because of night. A POI with a secure upper floor or a fully filled up bike is a safe haven for much less dukes.
Personally I'd blame that video creator for all the problems, as them content creators just stir up trouble and add no value! If only he had some useful suggestions instead!
Such as ... Hey TFP... do you think new UIX/mechanics would be possible for A22+++ ?
Ie such as:
1) Pin Recipe (something a number of survival games have implemented to the delight of users, and that even was custom made for a particular Modpack in 7 Days to Die).
2) Crafting pull of items from nearby chests ... while mods (well, one mod in particular implemented it) might do it, I suspect it's not as easy as a simple "stand alone" mod, meaning it's likely to be extremely rare to see it outside of a mod that specifically implements it. Subnautica for instance had a standalone mod like this which was awesome, and really made it more enjoyable...especially if coupled with auto-sort mod and so on
Would like UI improvements to, but different ones:
Click on an ingredient of a recipe to list the recipe(s) of how to craft that ingredient.
Click on recipe title of an item and get all recipes that can be crafted with that item.
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Bobby Lee 298
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I can agree on that but i think it would but be best to redo the hud completely and take a look on how other people make huds for 7Days. The current hud is very lackluster, even the huds for crafting and everything else.Yeah I knew it was there and still had trouble seeing it. I use to mod it so it was a bit thicker but now am back to using a gui mod for water and food bars on left by stamina and health, like olden days.
Edit:
Went in and tried again and this is what I had done.
Top one normal bottom one made wider (higher) by 7 pixels
For it to look ok I should have moved it all up a few pixels so the dark under the bars were the same but it was just to see if I remembered where it was.
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Guest
Guest
I imagine updating the HUD will be one of the final steps before gold.
It'd make sense to redo the UI once you know what's actually in the game and it's feature complete. Current UI just seems like a placeholder to me and game would look a lot more polished with a modern UI. Might be wrong though!
Survager
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Quick one - are cans being removed in A21? I saw some rationale about making the game uniform in how it returns items upon consumption. As far as I know wouldn't cans be the only outlier? Would make sense to get rid of them too if the goal is consistency.
Riamus
Well-known member
That was my point. Being tied to real time means that if you play at 40 minute days versus 120 minute days, you are eating and drinking 1/3 the amount per day because your days go by faster without any change in how often you need to eat and drink in real time. This makes it easier in regards to eating and drinking on a faster (supposedly more challenging) game speed. So let's say you have to eat and drink once per 15 minutes real time. On a 40 minute day, you would need to eat and drink around 3 tires per day. On a 120 minute day, you'd need to eat and drink around 8 times per day. Less need or difficulty on a shorter day. Granted, you can say that trying to eat and drink so often on a shorter day would be too hard, but it would certainly help with the difficulty and survival aspects when playing a shorter day. Probably wouldn't want a linear progression for eating and drinking if tied to game time because it would definitely be much harder if you had to eat and drink 8 times a day on a 40 minute day. But a sliding scale based on game time would help balance it. This can even be fiyne based on real time by just adjusting the eating and drinking timer based on day length while still using real time for the timer.
Fanatical_Meat
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I thought hunger and at least some of thirst was controlled by how far you’ve moved/traveled.
Roland
Moderator
If it is on realtime then everyone always eats and drinks at the same rate no matter how long their days are. It is neither harder or easier. The only weirdness is that you end up eating multiple times in a day which feels strange if you play 120 minute days. But that is just an illusion. Realtime timers affect everyone the same. If I have to eat every 2 hours of realtime play then so do you and whether that translates to 7pm for me or 11am for you is immaterial.
Stamina use burns food as does cold weather. So yes running around or pushing the acceleration on vehicles burns food.
SnowDog1942
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BFT2020
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Why not just generate a modlet to change the food / water loss if you are concerned about eating too much during a 120 minute day? Right now the water drain is set to about 40/hour while the food drain is 30/hour. It's only 2 lines that require the change and you can tweak it to what you think it should be.