Bro, yall need to give us a ■■■■ timer already

theFlu said:
Good design makes mistakes harder to make. The fact that by stepping on the wrong block, you can negate an entire mission is already questionable - in the sense that it's not an obviously necessary feature. Guns have safeties, which are entirely unnecessary if you use them correctly. They're bloody handy though.

You're still doubling down on "skill issue" against "the UI could be better". This is proving to be a skill issue - the two aren't really even related.
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Again. No skill issue. You are grasping. Mission says do x and y, clearly stating that in UI. You do x not y and drive off. Mission fails. Tell me what is there to improve?
 
theFlu said:
Good design makes mistakes harder to make. The fact that by stepping on the wrong block, you can negate an entire mission is already questionable - in the sense that it's not an obviously necessary feature. Guns have safeties, which are entirely unnecessary if you use them correctly. They're bloody handy though.
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But it isn't like the game doesn't make it insanely obvious which blocks you shouldn't step on. Maybe they should make the red wall solid? That way you can't leave till you either complete the quest or delete it from your list. Basically idiot-proof then. Sound good? I'm sorry but this just isn't a game issue, it's an oblivious player issue. Some people pay attention, some don't. In this case, those who don't suffer more. Still not a reason for change. You keep bringing up "skill issue" but...that's exactly what it is.
 
Prisma501 said:
Tell me what is there to improve?
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The OP seems to suggest a timer to prevent the failure of driving on the wrong block.
You seem to be annoyed about the tone of his post and trying to "put him to his place".

I'll pick the side with the frustrated suggestion over the "git gud, scrub" any day.

bdubyah said:
Basically idiot-proof then. Sound good?
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Not to me, no; that would make the quest area a death trap, pointlessly. It'd be worse than the current state.
bdubyah said:
it's an oblivious player issue.
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Absolutely. Some people are more forgetful/distractable than others. There's no good reason to punish the distracted in this case / way. It doesn't exactly make for a fun mechanic.

Whether a change would be worth the dev time, I dunno. That's why I suggested the red wall popping up when entering a vehicle - no new mechanics needed, just a detection for the vehicle state (might not be trivial either, but feels simpler at least).
 
Why are people arguing about a suggestion to improve the UI? Yes, you can read the quest type. And yes, it is very easy to forget that it's a fetch quest. Or to think you've killed everything in a clear quest only to realize that there was something you missed. In most cases, you notice the quest text. But it can easily be missed once in a while. There is no value in failing a quest the instant someone leaves the area. Better to give a clear warning and give them a short time (30 seconds or so) to return. So why is this even an argument?

warmer said:
When was this added? I have nearly left areas in 3.0 clearing a POI and I never saw a wall. When do you see it? Is is before or after? My text was orange and I turned around.
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It has been there a long time. Perhaps around 1.0, though I don't remember exactly. It's very easy to miss when using a vehicle, but easier to notice on foot. It appears near the edge of the POI boundary if you try to leave with an active, unfinished quest.
 
For the record I feel like there are a ton of games these days that remove the quest area concept and don't have issues. You would just need to make the appropriate adjustments to the quest design. So I prefer an actual open world design to games.

Granted I don't think it's a big deal so this would be low on the importance factor for me but generally speaking I dislike Ubisoft style games with warning icons, etc. While I don't think we can go with Dark Souls levels of information or lack thereof I don't like everything to be so explicit after the tutorial.
 
Seems to me that this is akin to wanting an "extra life" in case you might die which the game already provides. I don't see anything wrong with a timer, or a more visible wall for people moving at vehicle speeds but I also don't see anything wrong with "ironman" mode for quests where if you make a mistake like leave before it's done you fail for that mistake.

It should be an option so people can configure quests to their liking. I failed a few quests for leaving the area a couple times when quests first were introduced but I learned the lesson and I haven't made that mistake in years. Same with pressing E while flying a gyrocopter. Did it once and never again.

Wait....should there be a timer before exiting a vehicle after pressing E to give players time to undo their exit....?
 
The issue with the toggle idea is that at this rate the toggle screen in the settings menu will be massively bloated. At some point the devs have to pull some triggers and say this is just how it is on smaller issues.
 
Roland said:
Wait....should there be a timer before exiting a vehicle after pressing E to give players time to undo their exit....?
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(I assume you recall, but) I think a seat belt mod has been suggested (several times...). Just to make the exiting take a sec or two, holding the button. Rather similar, althou the accidental exit is prolly more of a "misplaced hand" than a lapse of focus thing.

I'd assume there's a better design to be found without adding settings .. but it's not like a page of UI-toggles is terrible either.
 
Kyoji said:
The issue with the toggle idea is that at this rate the toggle screen in the settings menu will be massively bloated. At some point the devs have to pull some triggers and say this is just how it is on smaller issues.
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Genie is out of the bottle on that one at this point. They already have a section for quests and making quest failure more or less forgiving is entirely in line with all the other options in this game.

I don't like hand-holding and adding a timer and/or making a distinctive red wall is definitely in the category of hand-holding to me. Make it an option and I don't have a problem with it. I want people to be able to have fun and if they want some hand-holding to prevent them from suffering the consequences of their lapse of concentration-- then I'm all for that. But I would for sure turn off walls and timers for myself and not blame anyone but myself if I forgot to stay in the area.
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theFlu said:
(I assume you recall, but) I think a seat belt mod has been suggested (several times...). Just to make the exiting take a sec or two, holding the button. Rather similar, althou the accidental exit is prolly more of a "misplaced hand" than a lapse of focus thing.

I'd assume there's a better design to be found without adding settings .. but it's not like a page of UI-toggles is terrible either.
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I was just joking about the E button trying to lighten the mood. I'm all for seatbelts. Click It or Ticket!!!!
 
Roland said:
I was just joking about the E button trying to lighten the mood. I'm all for seatbelts. Click It or Ticket!!!!
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Heh, ye. That one I'd kinda like as a vehicle mod, instead of a setting, just because .. it's kinda silly to fix a UI issue with a game item? But somehow in this case it'd just fit nicely :) And well,

Roland said:
Make it an option and I don't have a problem with it.
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I might be in a tiny group, but I can't say I like too many settings. UI ones are fine for me, but detailed loot settings, "select your vendor prices, crafting costs, damage in and out" etc etc, having those kinda destroys the identity of the game for me. Any annoyance I run into in a game, I'm tempted to just switch off since "it's just a setting". CM at least is "obviously cheating", but settings are meant to be messed with.

Even starting a new run is a little daunting, as picking my skill point rate is already a massive choice that I'm just forced to make myself; and there's plenty more just as big. Can I complain if I pick wrong? Will I have fun? Who knows .. not me! :)
 
IElderwolfI said:
No, its the red wall on leaving a POI before completing a mission. Its an instant fail for leaving an arbitrary border around the POI.
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Nooo, you don't say!!!! lol. i know what the red border is and represents. i don't think chunks are that large, so my assumption is the red border is at the point where the chunk is unloaded. but i could be wrong.
 
Like I said, I've not failed a quest in a long time, but I almost did sometime in the last couple of months just because I forgot to grab the satchel. Sometimes you just get in a groove of killing zombies/going through the POI, and the whole "I'm on a quest to do X" just kind of slips your mind. It's especially a problem when the satchel is in some weird hidden place.

So yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing a more useful warning or a timer. That's what really annoys me, that there is a warning, but it's essentially useless once you've got a vehicle (maybe not a bike, don't know that I've ever tried.)
 
I was driving home and my wife asked me to stop and pick up some Tennent's. I said, sounds brilliant, I'm on my way, stopped at our place in Knightswood and found they were out so detoured over to Old Crow and as soon as I turned onto Crow my dash hud displayed a red 'X" over my destination. Distance and time failures have their place. Defusing a timer, target entropy. Distance and time failures have no place when they become arbitrary or when they are added merely to resolve system congestion or garbage collection. In my very humble opinion, arguing to support an arbitrary decision just seems, odd, i guess.
 
I'd like to go on the record of, I'd support making the quest boundary lines more noticeable when in a vehicle. It seems the least invasive and I think it would probably require the least amount of work to implement. I never hop into a vehicle while a quest is active- unless I I incorrectly assumed I was finished. There's been a few times I'd failed a quest because I started to drive away and then didn't see the red boundary until I was on top of it and couldn't stop in time-- but my good friend has done it significantly more. I'm happy for those of you that are not hindered by distractions to the point this isn't a problem to you.. but for those of us where it is- it feels really crappy to fail a quest not because you were ill prepared and wanted to preserve your life- but because you thought you already grabbed the satchel for this fetch/clear and after clearing the POI you were ready to bounce.
 
Prisma501 said:
The absence of green checkmark for finding supplies doesnt ring a bell? This is just a pebkac asking to be compensated.

-edit- a npc asks you you to bring a red and a blue bottle. You get a blue bottle and start heading back with a stay within rule. Then you complain that the mission fails. Really?
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Why does the mission fail when you can simply go back and grab the red? You ever forget something at the store? I get mission parameters say don't walk 200 feet away from that red bottle but why is 199 perfectly fine. If you concentrate on the number, you overlook the fact that mission itself is not well conceived to begin with if imposing arbitrary boundaries. That said, I certainly wouldn't start throwing around pebkacs and picnics because someone doesn't agree with me.
 
Prisma501 said:
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Yes, im one of them. And im tellling you. The objectives of a mission cant be clearer as it is. The op states he "forgets" he is on a clear and fetch satchel objective. While its clearly stated in the mission objectives top right. Is that a game problem or a user problem? So he clears the area and drives off. While the fetch satchel mission objective is still not accomplished in top right mission objectives. Mission fails. What improvement is there to make for someone not reading objectives? With all my hours i NEVER failed a mission because i "forgot" what i was supposed to do in the first place. Mistakes happen, but are they to blame on the game or the user?
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That's allot of hours you got there. Kudos to you for not failing a mission because you forgot. You know I once stubbled upon an oak tree in the wee outback the lot and suddenly had to phone Mickey at Disneyworld and ask him if he fed Pluto before he started in with that XBOX. Focus is a perspective and we must not apply ours to another. Losing focus is easy for me so I can relate to the issue, its not easy for you so you can't see the forest for the trees.
 
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