Jost Amman
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Ok, so... the new water system is finally approved! :whoo:Have you seen how much I re-write the loot file???
HELL NO! It'd be worse actually
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unholyjoe
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Matt115
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Yes is good but change a lot... you know... first alphas was typical horror game. Now we have this. And that's frustating as hell you know? i can name game that was looking much difrent now that was looking in past and... this is just depressing soo much. this like... : you have WW2 diorama and after year you came back to your home and your brother added Cpt America and hydra soldiers and mechs... and he said that's still WW2 dioramayou know.... I heard that is a good game.
Matt115
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@unholyjoe
Good is don't mean this same.
There is a books : Let me in. This book have two movie adaptapions - 1 norway 2 USA version : both have this same story , simliar scenrio just set in diffrent countries etc.
Both are good but diffrent so much.
When i saw 7DTD first what i was thinking? F.e.a.r. , RE2, RE3, MC with horror mods, SCP contaiment breach ( this was typical horror game from 2013-2015 : dark , gore , hard )
( I can't upload screen idk why : Corpse - Official 7 Days to Die Wiki (fandom.com) this link should first Corpse article). And i loved horrors so much in this period - and 7dtd was looking like typical horror game. And that's nothing bad - yes things were changing - DL1, fnaf etc. but this - creepy right , controversial etc.
7dtd now just looks like... things from diffrent ways - new armors and guns models could be in Fallout or in Rage 2 , this same thing with for example drone or turrets. And now even lighting is less... horror like more like.... MC or ARK.
Zombies looks like a little bit like for few diffrent games - normal zombie are fine, screamer could be in typical horror game and spider looks like KF2 (KF2 is parody) but you change wight looking like normal zombie. If normal and tough zombie were just zombie and rest was mutants - i woudn't complain.
And what's the most painful thing? This game have this good gameplay but was change from typical dark horror into something like Fallout with zombies. This is sad as hell.
If you have time check 7dtd A11 gameplay or play a little bit in this version, then check F.E.A.R , No more room in hell , l4d2 or RE2 ( old or new). Just looks on weapons, props, setting etc. then play in A20 and then check fallout 3 , mad max
but if you don't:
Fallout 4 gun
7dtd
similiar right? So 7dtd is more similiar to fallout that to horror game
Good is don't mean this same.
There is a books : Let me in. This book have two movie adaptapions - 1 norway 2 USA version : both have this same story , simliar scenrio just set in diffrent countries etc.
Both are good but diffrent so much.
When i saw 7DTD first what i was thinking? F.e.a.r. , RE2, RE3, MC with horror mods, SCP contaiment breach ( this was typical horror game from 2013-2015 : dark , gore , hard )
( I can't upload screen idk why : Corpse - Official 7 Days to Die Wiki (fandom.com) this link should first Corpse article). And i loved horrors so much in this period - and 7dtd was looking like typical horror game. And that's nothing bad - yes things were changing - DL1, fnaf etc. but this - creepy right , controversial etc.
7dtd now just looks like... things from diffrent ways - new armors and guns models could be in Fallout or in Rage 2 , this same thing with for example drone or turrets. And now even lighting is less... horror like more like.... MC or ARK.
Zombies looks like a little bit like for few diffrent games - normal zombie are fine, screamer could be in typical horror game and spider looks like KF2 (KF2 is parody) but you change wight looking like normal zombie. If normal and tough zombie were just zombie and rest was mutants - i woudn't complain.
And what's the most painful thing? This game have this good gameplay but was change from typical dark horror into something like Fallout with zombies. This is sad as hell.
If you have time check 7dtd A11 gameplay or play a little bit in this version, then check F.E.A.R , No more room in hell , l4d2 or RE2 ( old or new). Just looks on weapons, props, setting etc. then play in A20 and then check fallout 3 , mad max
but if you don't:
Fallout 4 gun
7dtd
similiar right? So 7dtd is more similiar to fallout that to horror game
Beelzebubs Ghost
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You've only just noticed? This has been one of my main issues with these ridiculous changes
Laz Man
Fun Pimps Staff
Yup! Uses the gas can, cloth, and oil bottle with blood moon morphing physics to turn itself into a flaming beer bottle.
With the removal of glass jars, a new default armor has been created for the player character to explain where they all went...
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RipClaw
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I assume the character eats the jar.
Honestly, I have my doubts that this change will be well received by the players.
It does increase the survival factor in the game at the beginning, but people are already annoyed when it comes to having to harvest and replant their garden on a regular basis. Now they also have to set up a field of dew collectors and harvest them on a daily basis in order to have enough water to produce glue in larger quantities. Currently, in Horde Night, my primary weapon is a crossbow with exploding bolts. I use about 100 bolts per horde. That's 100 duct tape and therefore 100 glue every week.
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Roland
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That's 6 dew collectors dedicated to glue production in order to have enough within 6 days so you have an extra day to finish up the crafting. That's not exactly a herculean task. Maybe if you had to have 20 collectors that you had to harvest every day you might have a point about how tough it will be to mass produce 100 glue a week. But six?
RipClaw
Well-known member
Even 20 would not be a problem for me. I usually have a large garden with over 100 planters. I am therefore used to such repetitive tasks.
I was thinking more of the people who don't plant gardens because they find repetitive tasks annoying and would rather go scavenging all day.
RipClaw
Well-known member
Really ? My guy complains all the time that he is dehydrated and his stamina goes down.
That's why I always have to carry a stack of tea around with me so that my character doesn't run out of steam.
Jost Amman
Well-known member
I don't think he meant it that way... he means everyone agrees that it's currently very easy to have enough water/drinks to hydrate yourself. :nerd:
It fits real world logic though. In real life you would not have hundreds of small jars to store water, you would have a large canteen or bottle (>= 2 liters surely) to hold the water. The small glass jars would be too heavy to carry for the amount of water they contain.
Now 7D2D does not simulate the canteen, it just assumes you have such a container in which to store water. The icon of water is just an icon, it represents one unit of water. Maybe they should replace that icon for a simple water drop icon, that would be less confusing for us oldtimers who have been trained to expect a jar.
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KhaineGB
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First change then is that it makes iron gut more valuable. In my group of players I know nobody who would "waste" any perk points on iron gut.
This is a game where you can build anything you want. Either build more roof space or simply put them on a nearby building and build a gangway to it.
You seem to think that bases using existing POI's is a feature of the game instead of an accident of being a fully reconstructable world. I'm not sure TFP is 100% happy about the availability of bases that you can create with just a few simple blocks removed.
And what are the reasons behind removing the water bottles then ?
If the answer is removing an item without any real purpose, then the follow-up question would be whether the empty cans you get back from eating canned food have been removed as well?
Nevermind. I thought about it, and now I somehow doubt that it is even necessary to keep the game easy/accessible for players that are absolutely new to the game.
Is has been in early access for so long now, that one could think everybody who wants to play the game already has got it,
so when it is finally going gold, every newbie already has at least 1000hours of experience.
Each year a new generation of players old enough to play 7D2D will emerge, an endless resource as long as we haven't made this planet unhabitable.
Only the aging of the game itself (along with alternative and newer games coming out) is the reason that this resource ultimately dries out.
meilodasreh
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OH MY GOD NOW THEY TURNED IT INTO A F... VAMPIRE GAME!!!!
nevermind
...yes, I recently tend to read the comments i reply to only very superficial. Just ask guppycur, he knows what i mean...
7D2D going gold before the end of days confirmed!!!
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saltychipmunk
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Well the fundamental issue is that no matter what you do the concept of hunger and thirst is tedious. It is honestly the kind of thing players want to solve quickly so they can move on to other things.
And honestly the games with best food and water systems get there by either simplifying the process (dont starve) or downplaying it in favor of some other system (valheim)
In dont starve, you only need to worry about food and even then food in general is pretty accessible from the word go. The interesting part is in how that game changes up that accessibility as the world around you changes between the seasons which forces the player into different activities. Then again I would argue that the seasons in dont starve are the real show stealers.
And in valheim starving to death is far less important than the crippling possibility of not having high enough health and stamina to survive conflict.
In neither case is the simple threat of dying of starvation or thirst really the point. They are not worthy goals in of themselves.
I would much rather the fun pimps focus on making what you eat/ drink more impactful as a driving force rather than focusing on a struggle to keep two bars topped off.
but that is just my opinion.
Fanatical_Meat
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Yeah it certainly isn’t a perfect fix because I know a high priority for me will be to have 3-5 water collectors per player. Ultimately we’ll be able to craft them.
All survival games get to a point where food/water is meaningless so it is to be expected.
Ive said before I really like how Valheim handles food/water. Your dude never dies from hung or thirst but does have few hit points & stamina. Different foods give different benefits like this gives more hit points, this gives more stamina, this gives a small mix of both.
You cannot shovel tons of food into your mouth in Valheim, I think you could eat three different things and those meals last a good amount of time so you need to plan out what balance of hit points and stamina you need.
Cool simple system that keeps different foods relevant.