V2.5+ Survival Revival Dev Diary

IzPrebuilt said:
Sidenote: if you take away the voxel aspect of this game, the scope is honestly really small compared to a lot of survival games made by smaller teams with less money, in less time and to a higher quality tbh. Absolute hindrance of a mechanic IMO that we're kinda just stuck with even though "fully destructable voxel world" stopped being an interesting selling point in like 2015. Especially in 7dtd where there's genuinely nothing to discover under that voxel world. What? 5 ores and occassionally you'll smash into the side of a POI you can always access from the surface? Wowee stop I can't handle all that content. 60 Blocks of ■■■■all beneath our feet eating all the performance and slowing development time but what are you gonna do? remove it 13 years in? Pls no
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That's exactly what i was thinking too recently like, 99% of the world remains untouched yet it causes all these issues lol
But yeah its been so long, and this is what the game was build on so it would be silly to remove it 😇
 
IzPrebuilt said:
Sidenote: if you take away the voxel aspect of this game, the scope is honestly really small compared to a lot of survival games made by smaller teams with less money, in less time and to a higher quality tbh. Absolute hindrance of a mechanic IMO that we're kinda just stuck with even though "fully destructable voxel world" stopped being an interesting selling point in like 2015. Especially in 7dtd where there's genuinely nothing to discover under that voxel world. What? 5 ores and occassionally you'll smash into the side of a POI you can always access from the surface? Wowee stop I can't handle all that content. 60 Blocks of ■■■■all beneath our feet eating all the performance and slowing development time but what are you gonna do? remove it 13 years in? Pls no
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I can only speak for myself, but I keep coming back to voxel games because they let me change the world. Voxels might not be a selling point to the masses, but it's an important feature to me and greatly influences my purchasing decisions. It doesn't have to be content that is depth underground.

Fallout 4 is an excellent game. I've played it twice for a total of 125 hours. I've got far more time in 7D2D. The difference to me? Voxels significantly enhance the replay value of the game. It sucks that I can't dig into the side of a Fallout POI.
 
Kire said:
That's exactly what i was thinking too recently like, 99% of the world remains untouched yet it causes all these issues lol
But yeah its been so long, and this is what the game was build on so it would be silly to remove it 😇
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maybe it is only partially silly? there doesn't seem to be a need for 60 voxel blocks under your feet...maybe lower that to 12-15 blocks and free up resources? there really isn't anything happening down there anymore...not saying I don't like the one canyon, but, I could do without it IF this freed up room for more/better working stuff above ground.
 
IzPrebuilt said:
Sidenote: if you take away the voxel aspect of this game, the scope is honestly really small compared to a lot of survival games made by smaller teams with less money, in less time and to a higher quality tbh. Absolute hindrance of a mechanic IMO that we're kinda just stuck with even though "fully destructable voxel world" stopped being an interesting selling point in like 2015. Especially in 7dtd where there's genuinely nothing to discover under that voxel world. What? 5 ores and occassionally you'll smash into the side of a POI you can always access from the surface? Wowee stop I can't handle all that content. 60 Blocks of ■■■■all beneath our feet eating all the performance and slowing development time but what are you gonna do? remove it 13 years in? Pls no
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If you ascribe so little value to the voxel aspect of the game, it is not clear to me why you, and those that share this opinion, would continue to play the game. There are a ton of survival games out there which are in many ways better than 7d2d. The fully destroyable world of 7d2d is one of its primary selling points. It is also one of the features that distinguishes it from other survival games. If players don't enjoy or value that feature, I don't understand why they aren't playing other games. As you are aware there are clear downsides to this design decision, why suffer those downsides if you don't derive value from the voxel world?
 
The one thing I don't like about a voxel game is how demanding it is to run well. FPS drops in big cities is not good in 7 Days to Die.
I really hope that the next TFP game is not voxel. I would love to see how amazing a fully designed static world would look like and I think these guys can make an amazing hew game.
If they ever make a 7 days to Die 2, then I guess they have no choice but to make it voxel again, but hopefully, advancement in the game engine makes things run better.
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So, do you think that 2.6 Exp will be released today? Or more like next week? (I think next week)
 
Space4Ace said:
So, do you think that 2.6 Exp will be released today? Or more like next week? (I think next week)
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didn't faatal say "We have been in the testing phase since last week and that is how it is finalized by seeing if it all works. We found issues and they are being fixed. 3 more fixes went in today"
those fixs are going have to be tested out so i can not imagine it being released this weekend.
 
Space4Ace said:
The one thing I don't like about a voxel game is how demanding it is to run well. FPS drops in big cities is not good in 7 Days to Die.
I really hope that the next TFP game is not voxel. I would love to see how amazing a fully designed static world would look like and I think these guys can make an amazing hew game.
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Contrary to most of you guys (I'm quoting you just as an example) I don't think current technical limitations should impact too much the development of games, especially games developed over a long period of time such as this one.

If you remember, when we first started, computers were much much slower and much less graphically "apt" than today's. I'm sure in just a few years, with the AI pushing for more processing power and such, we'll have even better CPUs and GPUs and the Voxel overhead for this game will become less and less relevant.

In the future we don't need roads Marty! :sneaky:
 
Jost Amman said:
If you remember, when we first started, computers were much much slower and much less graphically "apt" than today's. I'm sure in just a few years, with the AI pushing for more processing power and such, we'll have even better CPUs and GPUs and the Voxel overhead for this game will become less and less relevant.
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Or possibly less with the way that AI companies and hyperscalers are warping the market for CPUs, GPUs, RAM, and storage.
 
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