The fun pimps are holding a 2.0 town hall discussion. Try to attend it.

[Kyoji]

I think some of you are under the impression that TFP was unaware of the criticisms until Jawoodle’s recent stream. As Lazman already stated they have been visiting various social media platforms and watching streams and hearing the complaints since day one and taking notes.

Someone try to ask a question or make a critical statement regarding the storms and biome progression they think the devs haven’t already heard many times. I doubt anyone here will be able to come up with anything. They already have their list of questions and they didn’t get it from a poll posted on one site. They got them by watching and reading many sources over the course of the last month.

Many of the changes they will talk about tonight have been in the works for weeks now.

It’s also important to understand the scope of this stream tonight. It isn’t to talk about 3.0 or Alpha 16. People can scream in the chat “bring back LBD and jars” and it won’t be answered. People can ask “What is the release date for bandits?” and Lathan will mute Rick’s mic….

The point is that this stream will be focused on the implementation of storms and biome hazards and the adjustments TFP already has in the works and not about backing up the direction of development to 6 years ago.

I think most players who have been simply critical of the 2.0 update will be pleased. Players who have been bitter since A17 will likely remain so no matter what TFP announces tonight. Players who currently enjoy storms and biome hazards also need not fear that they will be gutted and trivialized. The devs still want impactful storms and biome hazards.

Which is a very reasonable take to have for the developers. Hopefully they have some good changes for 2.0 and talk about temperature returning as I feel like that is a major survival element that got left out of the update which would have made it much better overall.

I still think it's fine to bring up previous gameplay elements even if they won't return when posting on the forums, steam, reddit or in YouTube videos. I think looking at the vast majority of them they can all be summarized into semi-realistic open-world survival gameplay elements. Which is basically just to say people enjoyed having less overall structure in an ooen-world (running around looking for random POIs to raid and not being guided as much), semi-realistic gameplay (things that make sense so food expiring and having a smell versus magical armor that prevents fall damage), and survival elements (temperature, food/drink scarcity - though drinks were never scarce).

so they told you there would be NO discussion of the road ahead at all?

I think he means that a lot of what everyone is talking about hours before the event has already been discussed and looked into when 2.0 released by watching livestreams, YouTube videos and reading comments on the forums so what you want to ask has likely already been contemplated.

 

[RipClaw]

People can ask “What is the release date for bandits?” and Lathan will mute Rick’s mic….

Why take the risk? Just don't give Rick a microphone.

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

I still think it's fine to bring up previous gameplay elements even if they won't return.

I'd have to disagree you there. Best if the stream is kept to 2.0 -- their plans for storms and biome progression alone. That's what the uproar is all about. Asking to bring back LBD or jars or whatever would serve only to muddy the waters. Such are not about having overall less structure in an open world. That's to do with linear vs. nonlinear.

 

[HammerDano]

I think he means that a lot of what everyone is talking about hours before the event has already been discussed and looked into when 2.0 released by watching livestreams, YouTube videos and reading comments on the forums so what you want to ask has likely already been contemplated.

Agreed...the thrust of his message was to doom and gloom people by saying there's nothing they will ask that TFP have not already observed or big brained.
I think you missed the part where he specifically says this "townhall" is not for discussing 3.0 or A16.
I really want some recognition of the roadmap. FIXING 2.0 is going to take awhile...that means 3.0 gets pushed farther to the side....4.0 gets pushed.
I just want some general info: like a ballpark estimate that gets revisited as we get closer to the estimate. ie we think it will take 6-12 months, at month 5 they should know if they are a month away or not...and then tell us...in vague ball park terms. I AGREE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT GIVE A SPECIFIC DATE.

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

NO discussion of the road ahead at all

As in release dates, perchance? Or 3.0 or 4.0? Honestly, I think it should be kept to 2.0. Discussion of other stuff might be covered in another stream.

 

[Dark Sun]

Agreed...the thrust of his message was to doom and gloom people by saying there's nothing they will ask that TFP have not already observed or big brained.
I think you missed the part where he specifically says this "townhall" is not for discussing 3.0 or A16.
I really want some recognition of the roadmap. FIXING 2.0 is going to take awhile...that means 3.0 gets pushed farther to the side....4.0 gets pushed.
I just want some general info: like a ballpark estimate that gets revisited as we get closer to the estimate. ie we think it will take 6-12 months, at month 5 they should know if they are a month away or not...and then tell us...in vague ball park terms. I AGREE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT GIVE A SPECIFIC DATE.

Any ballpark estimate will likely be pushed back anyway, so why do you insist on being disappointed?

 

[linewalker]

Any ballpark estimate will likely be pushed back anyway, so why do you insist on being disappointed?

He just needs something else he can complain about later.

 

[Dark Sun]

He just needs something else he can complain about later.

The human condition is a beautiful thing.

 

[HammerDano]

@Dark Sun @linewalker Your childishness aside, what you are saying imo is that you don't care how long any of this takes...you'll just passively take it.
Grrrreat
I want to know if they are even going to get to start working on bandits again this year.
I am very glad we are not the same.

 

[Apocalipservice]

Aw, I'm staying kinda positive - a hopeful neutral? I completely agree with Jawoodle (incl the praise for the RWG & POIs), switched to Darkness Falls after < a year of v19, and have watched a few dev streams that didn't exactly leave me happy. Still, I rlly appreciate that the FP are acknowledging that lots of their player base are unhappy (there wouldn't be so many overhaul mods for one - duh?) and I'll be listening to them with an open mind and not bringing an already crappy attitude. ...hoping for the same from the FP. TBH, if they don't make me and my wife need beers afterward I have to count that as a win - we just a stable enough game that the modders can work with. ...

 

[Kyoji]

I'd have to disagree you there. Best if the stream is kept to 2.0 -- their plans for storms and biome progression alone. That's what the uproar is all about. Asking to bring back LBD or jars or whatever would serve only to muddy the waters. Such are not about having overall less structure in an open world. That's to do with linear vs. nonlinear.

I wasn't suggesting they do. I was talking about people on the forums and in videos. That was my mistake for not clarifying

 

[Roland]

so they told you there would be NO discussion of the road ahead at all?

Sort of. They’ve discussed the agenda in the dev chat and 3.0 isn’t on the agenda. That doesn’t mean they might not make some mentions on the fly if they actually end up trying to parse questions from the chat. But don’t go into the stream expecting a 3.0 preview. Their focus tonight is on 2.x.

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

you don't care how long any of this take

I honestly don't understand why anyone would care how long it takes. The game is in alpha and, as long it's been in alpha, they've received further developments of the game at no charge (console update being a very different, sticky issue), of course, because they're not DLC. They're elements of the base game.

I realize people are chomping at the bit for bandits, story, etc., but it doesn't matter how long it takes as long as it gets done.

Patience is a virtue.

 

[Roland]

Why take the risk? Just don't give Rick a microphone.

Maybe they’ll give him the one from the Bloodmoons stream.

 

[Roland]

I want to know if they are even going to get to start working on bandits again this year.

100% seeing as how some team members have already begun work on 3.0 since their 2.x work is done. Typically, the last few .x updates a version gets are safe fixes that get pushed from the next version. So it will be likely that 2.3 will be the last full version 2 update (assuming the changes they discuss aren’t going to be finished in time for 2.2) and 2.4+ will be safe stable 3.0 fixes and optimizations that get pushed over to version 2.

I don’t have confidence that 3.0 will be out before the end of the year but I know for a fact it will be started and indeed for some team members already has.

 

[HammerDano]

Aw, I'm staying kinda positive - a hopeful neutral? I completely agree with Jawoodle (incl the praise for the RWG & POIs), switched to Darkness Falls after < a year of v19, and have watched a few dev streams that didn't exactly leave me happy. Still, I rlly appreciate that the FP are acknowledging that lots of their player base are unhappy (there wouldn't be so many overhaul mods for one - duh?) and I'll be listening to them with an open mind and not bringing an already crappy attitude. ...hoping for the same from the FP. TBH, if they don't make me and my wife need beers afterward I have to count that as a win - we just a stable enough game that the modders can work with. ...

appreciate you attitude and your take on it.
TFP leaving this game as moddable as possible should be super exciting for you guys.
I am on console...so I need the vanilla game to be as good as possible. I really wish they had finished the game before porting. They are still chasing rabbits...that does not work with set a roadmap. So for all the people on PC who don't care how long they take...they are not on console. TFP SOLD this game, the second time, WITH THE ROADMAP, and I do mean that if the roadmap had not looked so reasonable and achievable I WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT BACK IN...I would have waited...I would have seen a ■■■■ show...a ■■■■ show that is going to last for ____how long is ____? YOU DONT CARE!!! You guys can smooth over the "worse" parts with mods...you already have QOL mods. My impatience comes from this rollout to get CONSOLE back on the game has not been great. So maybe some of you could give a cranky console guy a break?

 

[Dark Sun]

Maybe they’ll give him the one from the Bloodmoons stream.

Can Rick get a mic where every time he speaks, it squeaks loudly like a chew toy?

 

[InfiniteWarrior]

appreciate you attitude and your take on it.
TFP leaving this game as moddable as possible should be super exciting for you guys.
I am on console...so I need the vanilla game to be as good as possible. I really wish they had finished the game before porting. They are still chasing rabbits...that does not work with set a roadmap. So for all the people on PC who don't care how long they take...they are not on console. TFP SOLD this game, the second time, WITH THE ROADMAP, and I do mean that if the roadmap had not looked so reasonable and achievable I WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT BACK IN...I would have waited...I would have seen a ■■■■ show...a ■■■■ show that is going to last for ____how long is ____? YOU DONT CARE!!! You guys can smooth over the "worse" parts with mods...you already have QOL mods. My impatience comes from this rollout to get CONSOLE back on the game has not been great. So maybe some of you could give a cranky console guy a break?

I don't understand what difference it makes how long it takes whether you're on console or PC, either. If the roadmap was a selling point for you...well, er, ok. Doesn't change that further developments are still alpha developments and not DLC. Call alpha development chasing rabbits, if you wish, because it sort of is: sussing out what works; what doesn't; what might work better; etc.

I'll give you a break if you'll give us a break with the demands for ballparks and timelines. Deal?

 

[Apocalipservice]

I feel for the console gamers - it blows that they can't mod their game and, geez, it wasn't ready to port yet BUT...it's something? =( I just say that cause console folks were rlly jonesing for their game. I also dunno if there *can* be real crossplay in the future.

I'll just call alpha development, "alpha development" and to suggest that this game has had a normal development is just ludicrous and not supported by reality. It generally doesn't take ten years, have tens of thousands of people not only playing the unfinished game but developing income streams from it over that time. Like streamers who have 100s of thousands of followers (FREE marketing and advertising for TFP) - it was a streamer who inspired inspired the town meeting. What other PC game has a development history like that, stretching over a decade and tens of thousands of players at a time? There's Project Zomboid but the complaint there is often speed and those devs never made changes like the FP: the former added things not take them away. Over that ten years the attitude wasn't "suss out what works and didn't," but removing a lot things, and completely changing some important aspect of gameplay that some players would have been used to for years. Again, and FFS, there would not be so many overhaul mods for a game that's not even done yet. [Do you work for the Fun Pimps - i.e. the whole "you give us a break and we'll give you one?"]

 

[Riamus]

People can ask “What is the release date for bandits?” and Lathan will mute Rick’s mic….

I really hope so. I don't want to hear any dates at all. That way we don't get the constant complaints about them "lying" about dates. That is getting very old. At least complaining that they aren't giving dates would be different.

so they told you there would be NO discussion of the road ahead at all?

If you look at the original post about it, it seems clear they are going to be addressing the complaints about 2.0, not plans for 3.0 or 4.0. If they happen to mention something, then it would be a bonus. It won't be the point of this steam.

like a ballpark estimate that gets revisited as we get closer to the estimate. ie we think it will take 6-12 months, at month 5 they should know if they are a month away or not...and then tell us...in vague ball park terms. I AGREE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT GIVE A SPECIFIC DATE.

Okay... And from your past comments about dates, even when they give estimates, such as their estimates for 2.0 after missing the original date and then missed those estimates, you were still calling them liars for missing those dates. So you are asking them to give you more fodder to complain about?

Would you accept it without complaint if the said they hope to finish 3.0 by Q1 2026 and then don't finish until Q3 2026? From your past comments, I don't think you will. I prefer no data or estimates at all. Not until it is close enough that the dates have a chance of being accurate.

The dates on the original roadmap said they were subject to change (i.e. they are a ballpark estimate), but you won't accept that. Why would this be different?

There is no value in hearing dates this early that are unlikely to be even close. They aren't likely to say to expect 3.0 in next summer.. They would want to say sooner than that. But I think most here don't expect it before at least next summer. So their dates are pretty pointless anyhow.