PC please don't cater to the HC crowd

Hmm.... Well... Many in our group are "Wanna-Be Hard Core players" lol They talk the talk, but only a few of us can actually walk the walk.

A16.4 has Starvation for the HC players. I got them to start playing Starvation, but they quickly saw the reality of that Mod LOL! We started another map just after release of A17... And one of the wanna-beez was screaming like a namby-pamby baby last night! It was his first time playing. We all were rolling all over the place! GREAT FUN! But yes, there are a tonne of things that we consider issues, but the game in its default settings seem to be for 'everyone' as we experienced last night.

I agree with Roland in that if you 'level up quickly' you've got to own up to the fact that you'll get the 'hard core zeds' after you as I've experienced first hand! Within about 15 IRL minutes I got two wandering hordes of 20 zeds or more a piece. Then much later, the next day right before I got to the traitor to get my reward a pack of +10 zed dogs?!? Luckily for me - just before entering the traitor' they 'disbersed and were slowly wondering around so I jumped the fence in back... I'm like level 21 or more now and its just before horde night for us. I know I'll have to go off on my own and I'm fine with that because now everyone else has #3 iron tools! lol And I think I've figured out a way to deal with the horde! But that will probably have to wait till later in the week.

Let us not forget that 'this is basically a new game' as of A17... So there is a learning curve here, which would make the game seem a bit harder than it would 'normally' be...

 
So, those are not "features" and the answer really is "its in experimental." Lumping that in with disliked design changes is a poor choice on your part.
As for the rest, the answer is "TFP will make the game that TFP wants." Dislike it all you want, but it is what it is.

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I think you were the one who just lumped it in mate.

I didn't specifically say that list was 'features'. I said 'although i do like some of the new features, some things have left me thinking...wow' and then i gave a list of some bugs/issues I've had. I know others have had the same issues crop up too. Maybe the wording wasnt clear enough. I dunno, its been a long couple of days, but I'm sure a person of your intellect would be able to figure that out sir!

So let me be a little more clear for you. I like the new graphical overhaul. On my machine at least it looks great. Sure, its no AAA game, but its a huge improvement. I like the new house designs, the new items, I even (in part) like the perk system. I just feel it does need a bit more freedom/needs to be a bit more seamless. There are several other small things that I like too. I wont go on.

Those issues in that list were just personal bugs I've had my friend, I went on to say I'm aware its experimental/alpha and I'm sure things will be ironed out, which you then felt the need to echo. You seem to ignore the fact that without people reporting bugs/issues, they wont be fixed or addressed.

I also stated that I was enjoying some parts of the update and I will keep trying to enjoy more. I didn't say anywhere that I wholly disliked it...in fact, in the very part of my post you quoted, I said I liked some of the new features. Again, thats an assumption you have jumped to.

So I think your post presuming and assuming my thoughts on the game was a bad choice on your part. In addition, giving people ♥♥♥♥ because they list a couple of negative things is a bit dumb. Its like you're taking personal offence? I don't really know what your problem is. All you're doing is adding fuel to the fire.

I even said at the end in a positive manner that I'm sure some things will be sorted and I am prepared to stick with it!!

How about adding something constructive to the discussion? Share your experience with the difficulty? Have you encountered any issues? Do you play with any friends/family/partners that maybe struggle? If so, are they still playing? And if they are, what are they doing to enjoy the game now?

I'm sorry if my wording might be a little off, I've had early starts and long days at work. I'm tired, but I still find time to play a game I enjoy and I only want to see it get better.

 
Well, this thread is done; b108 nerfed the game, catering to every complaint.

...b108, the "pussification update."

...guess the next thread in a few weeks will be "Please make the game harder; I learned how to play a17 and now it's too easy", ironically, by the same folks who complained...

Glad I can mod most of the challenges back in.

 
dude i dont see how it is boring it more fun imo dude, just dont get used to cheating and actually work for progress.. i quess you dont know what self fullfillment means.

 
Well, this thread is done; b108 nerfed the game, catering to every complaint.
...b108, the "pussification update."

...guess the next thread in a few weeks will be "Please make the game harder; I learned how to play a17 and now it's too easy", ironically, by the same folks who complained...

Glad I can mod most of the challenges back in.
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What change list did you look at?

 
B108 notes. They sadly, made everything easier.
Vultures. Death penalty. Requirements. Everything in this thread.
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well, idk about the b108 update, bu the b208 update didnt seem to nerf anything.

 
Question, did you close up the hole you entered through?
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that's really not the point, although i see youre saying hes not playing right or isnt good, nice, but the point is you shouldn't be facing a wolf hoard on day 3 because if you do it's not fun. people are not gonna pay money to be frustrated, they want to have fun and remember all you oldtimers, the FPs already got your money, it's the new players that are gonna be buying this, so if it isn't fun they aint buying. maybe thats why its on sale for 9 bucks. it's worth way more than that. If the game stops sellin who's paying the FPs? not you

 
I agree with OP
A17 is about the removal of almost all choice.

Want XP while building? No (frame block upgrade only)

Want XP from mining? Not really... a few points but you will never advance in the game towards new perks. Oh, and good luck finding resources anyway.

Want XP from trading? Less things are worth anything, and XP is less too. Enjoy

Want XP from crafting? Nope

Want XP? Kill Zs, that is it. Enjoy all your options.

Want to build? Zs destroy blocks way faster making it almost worthless to build or upgrade

Want to build? Material harvesting is slower and your stamina is ♥♥♥♥

Want to build? It will take you 2-3 times as long to level to concrete and steel, and that is if you don't make a balanced character.

Want to build? Even many wooded blocks are gated behind the workbench, and heck those are just aesthetic.

Want to build? No we didn't think so.

Want to travel? You stamina is ♥♥♥♥

Want to travel? The map is smaller

Want to travel? The snow and desert biomes are bigger blobs and your clothing doesn't really protect you any more (please refer back to stamina)

Want to travel? Maybe one day, after a hundred real hours, you will have a "new" motorized toy. Better not restart your game.

Want to travel? So much more fun!

Want to kill Zs? We have you covered

Want to kill Zs? We have turned it into the grind mechanism... basically like turning you hobby into your dayjob. Kind of takes the fun out of it.

Want to play alone? No you don't

Want to play alone? PIO are balanced for Multi-enjoy

Want to play alone? Leveling to get you what you need for mid-game should only take 20-30 hours real time.

Want to play alone? Git Good! Be a real "man"! You sux! Whiner.

Have any issue with A17? Prepared to be shouted down by a vocal minority.

Have any issue with A17? It is just experimental/beta/alpha/Tuesday... stop expecting things.

Have any issue with A17? They will tell you to mod (of course you can't mod individually if you are joining multi; see playing alone above)

Want to build a stilt house? Nope

Want to build underground? Nope

Want to build in a POI? Zs will chew through it like swiss cheese

Want to choose a different POI for Zs to destroy each 7 day? Wow, what a fun game with choices!

Show me one Z movie or comic where Zs destroy like the do in A17. Steel doors in 5 minutes: gone. Steel walls in 3 minutes: gone. Meter thick reinforced concrete slabs: Gone before I finished this sentence.

Want to restart a new game? Do you really want the initial grind? It's won;t be nearly as fun the second time.

I DO NOT HATE A17... but for the greatness it adds, TFP also added a year of spite against a community that found ways to "beat" their game. I do not enjoy many of the changes because they add grind and decrease choice. It decreases the variety of play styles. It forces Multi-player. And finally, I believe it takes away fun for a MAJORITY of the players. And finally...
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Bravo, thank you please fun pimps read this and remember the vocal majority won't be giving you any more money, those people would be the quiet ones that might buy a new copy if you pay attention to this, you choose grasshopper

 
that's really not the point, although i see youre saying hes not playing right or isnt good, nice, but the point is you shouldn't be facing a wolf hoard on day 3 because if you do it's not fun. people are not gonna pay money to be frustrated, they want to have fun and remember all you oldtimers, the FPs already got your money, it's the new players that are gonna be buying this, so if it isn't fun they aint buying. maybe thats why its on sale for 9 bucks. it's worth way more than that. If the game stops sellin who's paying the FPs? not you
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Just because you don’t like wolf hordes early game doesn’t mean others don’t. You can’t speak for other players, you can only speak for yourself. Further dog and wolf hordes are not a guaranteed death. You can run away from them.

 
If I could I'd play the game on the hardest setting, but I can't as the frame rate is just too poor. I find the game really easy, almost easier than A16. It's slower to clear a PoI, that's true, but I'm not understanding the OP's suggestion that somehow this is "catering for the HC", if anything I'd say the opposite.

That said, in response to OP's comment, if you can't handle it then turn your difficulty down. Don't make TFP nerf everything because you think there are too many zombies in a zombie game.

 
well, idk about the b108 update, bu the b208 update didnt seem to nerf anything.
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108, 208, I've heard it both ways. And yes. Yes, it did. From blocks to vultures to level gates to penalties, and the list goes on.

 
If I could I'd play the game on the hardest setting, but I can't as the frame rate is just too poor. I find the game really easy, almost easier than A16. It's slower to clear a PoI, that's true, but I'm not understanding the OP's suggestion that somehow this is "catering for the HC", if anything I'd say the opposite.
That said, in response to OP's comment, if you can't handle it then turn your difficulty down. Don't make TFP nerf everything because you think there are too many zombies in a zombie game.
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Oh, well don't forget its supposed to be a "casual sandbox game" because they said so lol. Tbh it's in their favor to attract new players if they keep the game challenging. I personally know people who were avoiding getting it because there wasn't any challenge to the game, even with modding the way zombie spawns worked/the AI there wasn't much of a challenge once you got past starter gear.

108, 208, I've heard it both ways. And yes. Yes, it did. From blocks to vultures to level gates to penalties, and the list goes on.
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I really hope it doesn't become A16 easy... I was so excited to hear / face the new challenges.

 
Just because you don’t like wolf hordes early game doesn’t mean others don’t. You can’t speak for other players, you can only speak for yourself. Further dog and wolf hordes are not a guaranteed death. You can run away from them.
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I was truly happy to get a wolf horde the other day, it meant that if I lived, I would be able to heal myself with food, and live another day.

 
Oh, well don't forget its supposed to be a "casual sandbox game" because they said so lol. Tbh it's in their favor to attract new players if they keep the game challenging. I personally know people who were avoiding getting it because there wasn't any challenge to the game, even with modding the way zombie spawns worked/the AI there wasn't much of a challenge once you got past starter gear.

I really hope it doesn't become A16 easy... I was so excited to hear / face the new challenges.
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I stopped playing A16 because it was just too easy. b208 is still easy, easier than 194/197/199. I have a feeling that too many people were complaining about the difficulty because they had grown lazy and complacent with A16 and so reacted to that feedback, the 194 release was harder (that was the streamer weekend build) but I saw no negative to that other than streamers complaining because they were being shown up in front of their sycophantic audience.

Personally I want a zombie game that the minute you spawn you are rushed and need to craft "on the hoof" just for a slight chance of survival, let alone allowing you to stop and build a base! "28 Days Later" style rage infested zombies. Now I am probably in the minority here, and I accept that. I look to mods and the difficulty level to achieve that, and of course TFP to optimise the game so that mid range PCs can handle the game smoothly. However I don't go around telling TFP to nerf the game because I feel it doesn't match my expectations (or my skill level). TFP should be allowed, without duress, to create the game they want and then the rest of us and the modders can tweak that game as desired.

 
The point is that making a game harder by modding gives the player a good feeling

Make a game easyer can give the player a bad feeling. (like "you are not good enough", even if thats not true, its a fun game and no challenge)

So as a example, its good to have digging zombies, but it would be nice if the vanilla game dont use them, and instead there would be a easy way to enable that feature.

Its allways a good idea to see the Balance from the easyest point of view and offer many ways to make it harder.

Nobody feels bad for the feeling that he is a "Bad azz"

 
TFP should be allowed, without duress, to create the game they want and then the rest of us and the modders can tweak that game as desired.
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I think you only say that because it coincides with your desire.

 
Aren't we all kinda doing that? =)
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I think in an ideal world, we'd like alot of this to be tied in to the difficulty you select.

Some extra options to tailor enemy behavior to our personal preference would please everyone, and is probably the easiest solution to the problem.

ie

Zombie Digging

Zombie Perception

Zombie Health

Zombie Strength

etc...

I'm not sure if its completely doable, I'm no game programmer, but I feel like it should be?

I really don't know why people are presuming its one way or the other.

Just because someone finds the game easy, it doesn't mean the game is easy for everyone.

Scavenger mode should be easily playable by a child or an inexperienced gamer, and Insane (or whatever its called) should challenge the experienced veterans.

As somebody said above quite rightly, the Fun Pimps already have the veterans money. If you all want the game to keep growing, it needs to cater to new players too.

 
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