PC Its Annoying That Streamers Get the Game First!

[bachgaman]

Why do they advertise movies before they come out?

If you have a product to sell would you, pass up great free advertising that ensures the exposure of many new people to your labor of love, or would you only send an email to existing customers?

From an business perspective not doing so is rather masochistic.

 Ads and teasers do not reveal all of the content. Two days of streams will spoil everything new in the game

I agree, there are people who do something unique and it can be interesting to watch them, but this is not a competitive game. Don't you think it is much more interesting to learn new content on your own, even if not on extreme difficulty with only knife, but to do it yourself? What's the point of watching the stream for two days, learning all the new features during this time, and only then go to play yourself? Some have compared this streamer weekend to movie teasers, but movie teasers do not show the entire plot and all the unexpected twists and turns. If they did, then such a film would not be interesting to watch. And here is the same thing.

They are against stressful working weekends. If something goes wrong and a hotfix patch is needed and that hotfix patch requires the work of multiple programmers it makes for a stressful weekend especially since TFP is officially closed Saturdays and Sundays. Now they are pressuring their programmers to come in on a weekend and work. If the problem occurs Tuesday it is fine because everyone is at work already anyway.

The chance that something significant is going to go wrong is much greater for a release to 30,000-50,000 players with all their various configurations and rigs. It is much less for a release to 200-- especially when those 200 are likely to have higher end machines anyway. Then they can sit back and watch people play and react to the things they were hoping they would react to and take notes on things people do that are unexpected and chat with gamers and fans in the various streams.

Nothing about the last five streamer events has made them rethink doing this. The positives have far outweighed the negatives. Those who hate the event speculate about the seriousness of the possible negative aspects. However, actual history shows that the negatives are insignificant or nonexistent compared to the positives. If the net outcome was not overwhelmingly positive, TFP wouldn't continue to do it.

This is understandable, although it is strange that once every 1-2 years they cannot work on weekends.

 

[SylenThunder]

 Ads and teasers do not reveal all of the content. Two days of streams will spoil everything new in the game

It only spoils it if you choose to watch the streams. If you choose not to, then nothing is spoiled.  It's really super easy.

This is understandable, although it is strange that once every 1-2 years they cannot work on weekends.

It's more strange that you would think they would want to work on weekends. It's not that they cannot, but that they want to have a break.

You've been pushing really hard for the past 3-4 months to meet a deadline you set for yourself. You then miss the deadline because there are issues with your product. You're working extra hard to get the problems fixed so you can get the product out there. Wouldn't you want to take a break and sit back and look at it through another persons eyes for a couple of days?

We aren't even talking about how the developers are already spending their free time showing off some of the content and talking about their processes during development. Time that they could be spending relaxing, or having valuable personal time with loved ones. They're doing it because they're excited to show you what they're working on, even though you can't play it yet. It's not like closed testing to a select audience of a few hundred people outside of the large internal testing groups is unheard of.  Companies have been doing closed beta releases for years before TFP even existed. Don't act like this is new or unusual.

 

[bachgaman]

t only spoils it if you choose to watch the streams. If you choose not to, then nothing is spoiled.  It's really super easy.

As well as not watching the spoilering teaser for the movie you're waiting for. I am sure that I will not watch these streams, but everyone around will discuss it, videos will appear on YouTube, and so on. I'll get spoilers anyway.

It's more strange that you would think they would want to work on weekends. It's not that they cannot, but that they want to have a break.

You've been pushing really hard for the past 3-4 months to meet a deadline you set for yourself. You then miss the deadline because there are issues with your product. You're working extra hard to get the problems fixed so you can get the product out there. Wouldn't you want to take a break and sit back and look at it through another persons eyes for a couple of days?

We aren't even talking about how the developers are already spending their free time showing off some of the content and talking about their processes during development. Time that they could be spending relaxing, or having valuable personal time with loved ones. They're doing it because they're excited to show you what they're working on, even though you can't play it yet. It's not like closed testing to a select audience of a few hundred people outside of the large internal testing groups is unheard of.  Companies have been doing closed beta releases for years before TFP even existed. Don't act like this is new or unusual.

I do not insist or demand that they work. It's just strange for me. On such special days, I personally would make exceptions without question. I definitely wouldn't want to take a break until the full release. In my work, I come across a similar "apotheosis" when what you have been working on for months is put into work. And these days we work at the facility 24 hours a day 7 days a week. This is normal for me, but I do not impose my point of view on anyone.

 

[Gazz]

What is the name of when a person likes to observe, and not to do it himself? There is a word for such people

On Twitch it's "Just Chatting".
 

 if you have a real problem with streamers getting access to a game a mere 3 days earlier than you, then why not just become one?

Become a streamer and influencer, get all your channel art for free (because you pay in exposures), get stuff and games for free! Live the life!
Well... maybe not initially but I believe in you!
 

 

[Skuriles]

I do and will never understand the popularity of streaming. Watching others playing a game while actually you can do it on your own?
The only reason I would understand: You are interested in the game and you don't know if you can buy it. But hey.. there are some simple ways to get some information about the game: Check Youtube reviews, game reviews (Steam, metacritic etc.).... or maybe there would be some kind of a "demo" or "shareware" you can have a short trial of the game? 

This type of "trying the game" has been completely abandoned due to the possibility to refund a game within 2 hrs on some platforms. And that (beyond my understanding) there is lot more to gain from marketing view when you use streamers to promote your game instead of trying it on your own. 
Maybe it is a generation thing and I don't bother if the game drops 2 days earlier to streamers or not. 
I mean we have waited 6 months up to 1,5 years for each of the latest alphas. I hoped with the announced changes around A16 the development speed would raise, but if it takes that long: who cares. I bought the game for 10 €, have spent 300 hrs or more... 

I just play one of my 100s of my epic and steam games meanwhile. Calm down boys and girls. Go outside and take a deep breath and enjoy your life

 

[meganoth]

As well as not watching the spoilering teaser for the movie you're waiting for. I am sure that I will not watch these streams, but everyone around will discuss it, videos will appear on YouTube, and so on. I'll get spoilers anyway.

I do not insist or demand that they work. It's just strange for me. On such special days, I personally would make exceptions without question. I definitely wouldn't want to take a break until the full release. In my work, I come across a similar "apotheosis" when what you have been working on for months is put into work. And these days we work at the facility 24 hours a day 7 days a week. This is normal for me, but I do not impose my point of view on anyone.

In the games industry this is called crunch and it slowly is acknowledged to be a way of exploiting the workers and burning them out. If you have no problems doing that, wait until you are older and not as resilient as you were in your youth.

Now one single week in a year surely is not really crunch but there is no reason for TFP to demand this from their employees simply to be able to release an experimental 3 days earlier. First of all that weekend has to be payed in free days later so ultimately they don't win time to complete the game. They also don't have a contract to release the game at any specific date (unlike your company I assume), And the impatience of gamers is there whether they have to wait 5 or 8 days. The impatience existed already weeks and months before. Worker satisfaction is worth much more.

 

[bachgaman]

In the games industry this is called crunch and it slowly is acknowledged to be a way of exploiting the workers and burning them out. If you have no problems doing that, wait until you are older and not as resilient as you were in your youth.

Now one single week in a year surely is not really crunch but there is no reason for TFP to demand this from their employees simply to be able to release an experimental 3 days earlier. First of all that weekend has to be payed in free days later so ultimately they don't win time to complete the game. They also don't have a contract to release the game at any specific date (unlike your company I assume), And the impatience of gamers is there whether they have to wait 5 or 8 days. The impatience existed already weeks and months before. Worker satisfaction is worth much more.

I don’t want to argue about that. We will see the number of hotfixes in the early days of the patch

I understood you

 

[warmer]

All I hear is a whole lot of entitlement being spewed... 

This is like arguing why its not fair people closer to the poles than you get snow first every year.

If you really want it so bad, move there, don't argue with the ones who control the weather.

 

[Aldranon]

There is some good material here for a TV sit-com.

Kinda like a Seinfeld theme meets Neebs Gaming.

Bunch of young kids trying to make ends meet in this modern age, under one roof.

It could work with the right actors!

 

[Boidster]

Ads and teasers do not reveal all of the content. Two days of streams will spoil everything new in the game

JFC man, quick! Before they come back and discover you on your PC! Tell us where you are being held and forced to watch streams against your will! We will send a rescue party no later than next Friday.

 

[Gazz]

There is some good material here for a TV sit-com.

Kinda like a Seinfeld theme meets Neebs Gaming.

Bunch of young kids trying to make ends meet in this modern age, under one roof.

It could work with the right actors!

Just sing along...

 

[bachgaman]

JFC man, quick! Before they come back and discover you on your PC! Tell us where you are being held and forced to watch streams against your will! We will send a rescue party no later than next Friday.

As well as not watching the spoilering teaser for the movie you're waiting for. I am sure that I will not watch these streams, but everyone around will discuss it, videos will appear on YouTube, and so on. I'll get spoilers anyway.

u ok?

 

[Roland]

cannot work on weekends.

are committed to keeping their promise not to require people to

 

[Boidster]

u ok?

idk, ru? For someone wanting to avoid "spoilers" and with apparently no defense against encountering them on the 'Tube I gotta ask, is this you posting in the spoiler thread for A20? I mean you literally tell MM that you "read the list of changes" ffs.



You're just salty that some people see the game before you do; has nothing to do with "spoilers". U R knee-deep in spoilers already.

 

[bachgaman]

idk, ru? For someone wanting to avoid "spoilers" and with apparently no defense against encountering them on the 'Tube I gotta ask, is this you posting in the spoiler thread for A20? I mean you literally tell MM that you "read the list of changes" ffs.

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You're just salty that some people see the game before you do; has nothing to do with "spoilers". U R knee-deep in spoilers already.

A quick reading of the announcement of changes on the forum, which is also changing, is not the same as seeing what was actually done

 

[JCrook1028]

I am fine with them releasing it first to streamers and then everyone else a week later.

It's not a week, it's a weekend. They get it Friday, we get it Monday.

Its about point of releasing the game earlier to minority of people while other 99,99% people who actually funded the game

They funded the game as much as you did. they didn't get the game for free, they bought it same as you did.

TFP are artificially delaying release to the people who have actually plunked down money to buy the game in "early access".

Nope, they are not. You would not get the game on a Friday when they would be out of the office for the weekend. They have said many times they will not again release to the public pre weekend. You would get it on a Monday. Same as you do now with the streamer event.

 

[JCrook1028]

only hypocritical and greedy Twitch streamers will be able to play on the first weekend, and not ordinary hard workers.

So where did your insider info come from on who is a "hard worker" and who is not? Or are you just spouting off BS from your nether regions?

 

[bachgaman]

So where did your insider info come from on who is a "hard worker" and who is not? Or are you just spouting off BS from your nether regions?

I meant people who work 5 days a week from Monday to Friday. I'm not spitting bull@%$# out of my third world regions or whatever you mean there. Chill

 

[JCrook1028]

brainless divide being put between the playerbase - where streamers with 5000+ subscribers (that's the requirement, if I recall correctly?) are basically getting treated like royalty in comparison to the regular old players who, in most cases, care more about the game and its future.

Ahh bit it's not "brainless". It's a fact that they advertise it more widely than someone who doesn't have that many people following them. Also, how do you know who "cares" about the game more? Able to read their thoughts are you?

 

[JCrook1028]

I don’t care as long as it doesn’t affect me. In this case, it affects me.

No, it does not affect you, other than in your own mind. You would NOT get it when they do anyway. You would still get it on the exact same Monday regardless of whether they got it on Friday or not. They have ZERO affect on when you get the game. Fact.