PC Its Annoying That Streamers Get the Game First!

We have been waiting this patch for 500 days, so it's okay, it's just a bit of a shame that only hypocritical and greedy Twitch streamers will be able to play on the first weekend, and not ordinary hard workers. At least this weekend, they'll be playing games instead of showing boobs in the pool licking their ear-mics (possibly)

 
I personally can't wait for the streamer weekend because then that means they are ready for experimental to go public and it is a great way to find and detect more bugs, I actually found a bug in alpha 19 experimental, had it reported and got it fixed. Although I don't actually develop the game I felt like I helped make the game, in a really small way, a part of what it is today. Experimental is new and exciting, but it is also  free testing for TFP which helps them deliver a much higher quality, more stable product

I am a little sad it took them so much longer to get this ready than with alpha 19..but the scope of A20 just seems so much bigger and the delay is understandable.

so the water overhaul is in alpha 21, will the discussion of water wildlife be something to consider then?

undead and living crocodiles/alligators would be a really cool addition I think
 

 
Rizno said:
What's annoying is that Streamers get the game before the players do. I wish they would do away with that nonsense. Especially since we have to wait so long for patches in the first place - it's been well over a year now since A19 released.

A universal release for everyone would make much more sense. I'm sure the majority of the player base don't even care about Twitch.
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What's annoying is people that have an issue with streamers getting it first. You aren't helping people purchase the game in the future, or right now. You've already purchased it. It's called financial security, and adding future players. It isn't TFP's fault, or their problem, that you don't see that. 

 
SpiderThatCantHide said:
What's annoying is people that have an issue with streamers getting it first. You aren't helping people purchase the game in the future, or right now. You've already purchased it. It's called financial security, and adding future players. It isn't TFP's fault, or their problem, that you don't see that. 
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...and how does releasing the update to everyone at the same time suddenly cut off streamers getting their viewers and TFP getting their new customers? A large chunk of these viewers the streamers will get are just game owners eagerly awaiting the release they're being forced to wait longer for. They can't buy the game again unless it's to give to friends and family. But you don't need a Streamer Event for proud game owners to already do that.

Everyone is right when they say "it's only a few days". But there's this brainless divide being put between the playerbase - where streamers with 5000+ subscribers (that's the requirement, if I recall correctly?) are basically getting treated like royalty in comparison to the regular old players who, in most cases, care more about the game and its future. "Hey we know you love our game but we're going to give this random person with lots of subscribers/followers on Twitch an even Earlier Access copy! We know you will understand, it's only a few days after all haha."

This Streamer Event practice will be harshly defended; but that still doesn't make it right.

A universal release won't hurt streamers and will still attract plenty of new customers to ensure the future of 7 Days to Die.

 
SnowDog1942 said:
I like seeing complaints about streamers, it means we are close to release!!!  Keep it up!!
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I wonder how many people opt in to experimental releases. Obviously the majority of people here probably do. But I wonder what percentage of the active player base download a release before stable automatically updates it for them. 

And having streamer weekends builds anticipation. You know how when big sales and big game releases are getting close they throw out more info or videos or whatever to get people hyped so they buy whatever? This is the same thing. It's also a show of appreciation to content creators who help keep it relevant by showing the game off. You can say your word of mouth helped sell a few copies, but content creators have sold more copies than you whether you like it or not. As Roland said, it sounds like most of you whiners just have a grudge against streamers for some reason. But keep crying, I'm sure it'll convince them to stop doing something they've been successfully doing for the last several years. 

 
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I'm pretty anti streamer outside of Hololive too, since I don't really "get" it, and agree that streamer weekend is annoying (to me) because I wanna play the game too. But I also know that's irrational and being a baby since "If I can't have fun, nobody can!"

My stance on Streamer weekend is just to shrug and watch some rando streamers play it badly so I can see the new features, and do other stuff until Monday rolls around.

The biggest issue with Streamer weekend is the risk that Roland doesn't do His Job™ and push for someone to reach out to Cover / Hololive and try and get some of the Holos to play on streamer weekend. Even if TFP had to pay for a couple hour sponsored stream, there's literally no way it wouldn't immediately have a massive return on investment. They do sponsored streams all the time for all kinds of random games, and every single time the fanbase of simps will go buy X random game and leave reviews saying they bought it solely because Gura / Ame / Ina etc played it.

I hereby say we move this discussion to the more important discussion on which Hololive members would be best to get to play it, and whether or not a massive influx of weebs is healthy for the community. For the first point, several have played it in the past, so Pekora, IRyS, Kanata etc would be easy choices, but also Gura / Ame etc could likely figure the game out and play it.  As for the second, riajuu go explode

 
Rizno said:
...and how does releasing the update to everyone at the same time suddenly cut off streamers getting their viewers and TFP getting their new customers? A large chunk of these viewers the streamers will get are just game owners eagerly awaiting the release they're being forced to wait longer for. They can't buy the game again unless it's to give to friends and family. But you don't need a Streamer Event for proud game owners to already do that.

Everyone is right when they say "it's only a few days". But there's this brainless divide being put between the playerbase - where streamers with 5000+ subscribers (that's the requirement, if I recall correctly?) are basically getting treated like royalty in comparison to the regular old players who, in most cases, care more about the game and its future. "Hey we know you love our game but we're going to give this random person with lots of subscribers/followers on Twitch an even Earlier Access copy! We know you will understand, it's only a few days after all haha."

This Streamer Event practice will be harshly defended; but that still doesn't make it right.

A universal release won't hurt streamers and will still attract plenty of new customers to ensure the future of 7 Days to Die.
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Its a marketing event for an early view of a update not available yet.  That is part of the value streamers get out of the event.

None of the streamers are getting paid (by TFP) to showcase the game.  I'm willing to bet there would be less streamers showcasing the game if it was a universal release.

 
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Rizno said:
This Streamer Event practice will be harshly defended; but that still doesn't make it right.
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This streamer event practice will be harshly criticized; but that still doesn't make it wrong.

Khalagar said:
The biggest issue with Streamer weekend is the risk that Roland doesn't do His Job™ and push for someone to reach out to Cover / Hololive and try and get some of the Holos to play on streamer weekend.
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Go reach out to your prefered Holos, Khalagar, and get them to sign up for it. I will gladly take their applications as I have done for everyone on the list currently.

Job done. It's Miller TIme™

 
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Rizno said:
But there's this brainless divide being put between the playerbase - where streamers with 5000+ subscribers (that's the requirement, if I recall correctly?) are basically getting treated like royalty
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What is brainless is the idea that giving members of the media an inside look is somehow royal treatment. In the 80's and 90's print magazines were given first access to gameplay where they flaunted their subscription hungry news about "behind closed doors" gameplay excursions that nobody else who would be part of the player base ever got to do. Then in the 00's and 10's it was web based outlets. I take it you are equally flummoxed and exasperated when you watch a video or read an article at IGN for any video game they have covered that is not yet released because...."those damn Royals!"....

If you can't recognize dispassionately that influencers are a powerful new branch of the media then there is nothing that can be done to help you ever understand. You are blinded by your negative emotions regarding people playing games for an audience to make money and garner fame. Regardless of your short sightedness, TFP has the right long view of the importance of media venues that are offered on platforms like YouTube, Billibong, and Twitch.

They are not treating streamers like royalty. They are treating them like the media. They are smart to do so. It is so obviously smart to do so that the only reason someone could miss it and object is if their reason is somehow being overwhelmed by their emotion.

 
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Laz Man said:
Its a marketing event for an early view of a update not available yet.  That is part of the value streamers get out of the event.

None of the streamers are getting paid to showcase the game.  I'm willing to bet there would be less streamers showcasing the game if it was a universal release.
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Absolutely.

It is valuable to TFP as a soft launch and quite frankly as a rewarding weekend for them to sit back and watch people who love their creation play and give spontaneous and candid feedback while they are in the midst of playing. The developers often get involved in the chats of various streams and talk directly with the playerbase as well during the weekend. There are always positive things that come out of the streamer weekend that end up benefiting the game for everyone.

It is valuable to the streamers because it is an exclusive event. They are assured to get more viewers than they would if everyone was busily playing it on their own. That is what attracts them from a business POV. Of course, they are also fans of the game so they are also excited to play the new build.

It is valuable to the player base because it does attract attention to the new release and many who may not have realized that A20 was about to drop and who may have had it uninstalled for a year or more will re-install it and dive back in to check out the new build. If the game is not installed then you get no notification from Steam that there has been an update. It also will bring in new players. Some of the streamers haven't been playing 7 Days to Die recently so their viewers are those who came for a different game and stayed because they liked the influencer. Now they will see 7 Days to Die possibly for the first time and get intrigued. New players and a larger player base is good for all the players.

The way I think it could be super valuable is if Laz works all night long Sunday to switch up all the traps and jump scares he designed into the POIs from the way people watched the streamers encounter them to something different and unexpected. Come on Laz. Don't be lazy. :)

 
Roland said:
Absolutely.

It is valuable to TFP as a soft launch and quite frankly as a rewarding weekend for them to sit back and watch people who love their creation play and give spontaneous and candid feedback while they are in the midst of playing. The developers often get involved in the chats of various streams and talk directly with the playerbase as well during the weekend. There are always positive things that come out of the streamer weekend that end up benefiting the game for everyone.

It is valuable to the streamers because it is an exclusive event. They are assured to get more viewers than they would if everyone was busily playing it on their own. That is what attracts them from a business POV. Of course, they are also fans of the game so they are also excited to play the new build.

It is valuable to the player base because it does attract attention to the new release and many who may not have realized that A20 was about to drop and who may have had it uninstalled for a year or more will re-install it and dive back in to check out the new build. If the game is not installed then you get no notification from Steam that there has been an update. It also will bring in new players. Some of the streamers haven't been playing 7 Days to Die recently so their viewers are those who came for a different game and stayed because they liked the influencer. Now they will see 7 Days to Die possibly for the first time and get intrigued. New players and a larger player base is good for all the players.

The way I think it could be super valuable is if Laz works all night long Sunday to switch up all the traps and jump scares he designed into the POIs from the way people watched the streamers encounter them to something different and unexpected. Come on Laz. Don't be lazy. :)
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Actually...my other job is raising my 3 little kids so the the weekend is my prime time work hours for 7 days.  I definitely will be watching and bug fixing during the event. :)

 
Roland said:
The way I think it could be super valuable is if Laz works all night long Sunday to switch up all the traps and jump scares he designed into the POIs from the way people watched the streamers encounter them to something different and unexpected. Come on Laz. Don't be lazy. :)
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What is the name of when a person likes to observe, and not to do it himself? There is a word for such people

 
After reading all of posts on releasing A20 only for streamers first, it still does not make sense if you think about one key factor, its about releasing the game. When TFP releases A 20 it will attract new streamers and new players anyway. No matter if its only for Streamers or for everyone. TFP still can watch their beautiful creation being played. Players that are already playing and know the game will watch the Streams.

Please dont quote semi-negative stuff i have written that has no weight on this topic just to belittle me and make me look bad, thats childish, if you cant respect others and their opinions then you should not really talk with people, sad thing is it comes from guy with over 11k posts. Peace.

 
Aldranon said:
You guys worry about when a computer game will be released.  Bah!

Muons wobble faster than they should!

The day reality as science knew it, fell on its face!  Remember you were alive when something stupendous was found.
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ummmm... previous comments about grass.

 
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