PC Its Annoying That Streamers Get the Game First!

How does this relate to the sense of injustice that they still release for some people? They also encourage us to watch those people enjoy it. This is very unfair and insulting.


1) "Sense of injustice" is a feeling. Your emotions are your own and they spring from within you. They are something TFP has no control over. There is no universal and objective existence of injustice here as evidenced by the truth that not everyone sees it. You see it because of how you think and believe and feel. Others don't see it because they think, believe, and feel differently than you do. So there is no fact of injustice. There is only the feeling of injustice and feelings are ephemeral. Some people who felt injustice the first time this happened have changed how they feel. Matters of the heart are always subject to change and re-evaluation.

2) I hereby encourage you to not watch. I don't want to see you in any of the chats of any of the streams and I can even ban you from the forum during that weekend to protect you from all the stream related chatter that may get posted here if you want. Don't watch or interact with any watchers during that weekend. Got it?

3) "Unfair" is often mixed up with "Unequal" but they are different. It isn't equal that internal testers have been playing the A20 builds for months now while you have been playing A19. It isn't equal that streamers will be playing the A20 release candidate for a couple of days while you will still be playing A19. These are facts. But it isn't unfair for the following reasons:

    A) You are free to apply for a position as closed beta tester with TFP so the opportunity to be able to play future versions sooner is available to you.  Fair.

    B) You are free to create a channel and build your audience to the required number so the opportunity to be able to play future versions a fraction sooner is available to you. Fair.

    C) Your access to play a development build during the Early Access process has not  been nor will be suspended. You paid for early access to a development version of 7 Days to Die and you always are able to download and play a development version of 7 Days to Die until the game is done and you have the final version. Fair.

4) "Insulting" is a perception. I hope that it helps your perception by telling you that no insult is intended with the streamer event. A lot of times knowing that something we perceive as an insult actually wasn't meant that way really helps us to see that there is no reason to feel insulted......unless.....we primarily want to feel insulted and are searching for any excuse that will do the job. It may not change the fact that you don't like the event or want it to happen. But at least you don't have to feel insulted.

 
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Is this where you report missing Pretzel trucks?

It is very very late and i was lied to.

Pretzels where to be Halloween and now Santa has stolen the Pretzel truck and is threatening to drive it off a cliff.

OMG!!!! WE GOTTA SAVE THE PRETZELS. SOMEONE THINK OF THE KIDS.

 
1) "Sense of injustice" is a feeling. Your emotions are your own and they spring from within you. They are something TFP has no control over. There is no universal and objective existence of injustice here as evidenced by the truth that not everyone sees it. You see it because of how you think and believe and feel. Others don't see it because they think, believe, and feel differently than you do. So there is no fact of injustice. There is only the feeling of injustice and feelings are ephemeral. Some people who felt injustice the first time this happened have changed how they feel. Matters of the heart are always subject to change and re-evaluation.

2) I hereby encourage you to not watch. I don't want to see you in any of the chats of any of the streams and I can even ban you from the forum during that weekend to protect you from all the stream related chatter that may get posted here if you want. Don't watch or interact with any watchers during that weekend. Got it?

3) "Unfair" is often mixed up with "Unequal" but they are different. It isn't equal that internal testers have been playing the A20 builds for months now while you have been playing A19. It isn't equal that streamers will be playing the A20 release candidate for a couple of days while you will still be playing A19. These are facts. But it isn't unfair for the following reasons:

    A) You are free to apply for a position as closed beta tester with TFP so the opportunity to be able to play future versions sooner is available to you.  Fair.

    B) You are free to create a channel and build your audience to the required number so the opportunity to be able to play future versions a fraction sooner is available to you. Fair.

    C) Your access to play a development build during the Early Access process has not  been nor will be suspended. You paid for early access to a development version of 7 Days to Die and you always are able to download and play a development version of 7 Days to Die until the game is done and you have the final version. Fair.

4) "Insulting" is a perception. I hope that it helps your perception by telling you that no insult is intended with the streamer event. A lot of times knowing that something we perceive as an insult actually wasn't meant that way really helps us to see that there is no reason to feel insulted......unless.....we primarily want to feel insulted and are searching for any excuse that will do the job. It may not change the fact that you don't like the event or want it to happen. But at least you don't have to feel insulted.
Thanks for the long answer, dude. You are right about everything, but I will still continue to resent this release. I will accept it, but I will not stop being unhappy with it. Yes, these are feelings. I am human and I tend to feel. And I will still be convinced that no one would feel bad if they let everyone play, not just streamers.

 
Thanks for the long answer, dude. You are right about everything, but I will still continue to resent this release. I will accept it, but I will not stop being unhappy with it. Yes, these are feelings. I am human and I tend to feel. And I will still be convinced that no one would feel bad if they let everyone play, not just streamers.
As much as we see things differently and play the game differently, it is clear we are both passionate about it so we do have that in common. :)

Hopefully, the bad taste will be replaced with good once you can get your hands on A20 (and remove the traders from it) ;)  

 
(and remove the traders from it) ;)  
I would prefer to customize them. By the way yesterday I started a new game in the vanilla version, in Navezgane with a trader (100% loot 100% exp survivalist jog/run/nightmare speed). Just to once again see its imbalance. On day 4, I bought a crucible and some concrete, built a concrete base by day 5. By day 7, I had 0 deaths, tier 4 AK-47 with 500+200 ammo, 60 pipe bombs, a concrete bunker, an electric fence, a generator (albeit without an engine) and a whole bunch of other things. And all because of the trader. Once again, I am convinced that a trader is an absolutely imbalanced game mechanic.

 
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I disagree with the OP “streamers shouldn’t get it 1st”

Streamers can put a lot of hard work into streaming this game,

They do this to showcase the game, when they do that, they can discover a good chance of bug finding, which TFP take notice of and fix, with patches/hotfixes and releases of experimental and stable versions

TFP coders play the game (and yeah some of those vids seen are really bad, makes me laugh at some of their game play), bugs/errors can be missed

So they put it out to the streamers that then discover them

That’s why TFP ask these popular guys to run the latest patch/version

Imagine this, (to the OP)

If it wasn’t for dedicated streamers/players that find issues/bugs/coding etc. errors

You would probably be moaning about “why is this now A19.4/5/6/7/8/9/10 updates, why do I have to keep updating, why is the game not fixed yet”

It’s because of testers like streamers that find the issues to make YOUR game play better

 
That is a question I have asked earlier. I don't think streamers are classed as testers. From what I can tell from the forum they just need the 5000 followers to be eligible to get an early crack at the game for the streamers weekend. I don't think they are obligated to report any bugs they find. Now if they do or if someone watching reports a bug then that is entirely of their own choosing as far as I can see.

 
I would prefer to customize them. By the way yesterday I started a new game in the vanilla version, in Navezgane with a trader (100% loot 100% exp survivalist jog/run/nightmare speed). Just to once again see its imbalance. On day 4, I bought a crucible and some concrete, built a concrete base by day 5. By day 7, I had 0 deaths, tier 4 AK-47 with 500+200 ammo, 60 pipe bombs, a concrete bunker, an electric fence, a generator (albeit without an engine) and a whole bunch of other things. And all because of the trader. Once again, I am convinced that a trader is an absolutely imbalanced game mechanic.
simple solution to that bach Dont use the trader at all :)

 
Bach, I assume you've seen #10 on the list of new things shown in the original Dev Siary post, right? They know current trader balance is out of whack. Hopefully a20 will make it better. Gotta wait and see. May still not be nerfed enough to suit you but should be better than it is currently. 

 
Bach, I assume you've seen #10 on the list of new things shown in the original Dev Siary post, right? They know current trader balance is out of whack. Hopefully a20 will make it better. Gotta wait and see. May still not be nerfed enough to suit you but should be better than it is currently. 
Even if we imagine that they will balance it perfectly, it will not change the fact that they will balance for a game with 100% loot. Thus, when you playing with 50% or 25% loot, the trader will still spoil everything.

I disagree with the OP “streamers shouldn’t get it 1st”

Streamers can put a lot of hard work into streaming this game,

They do this to showcase the game, when they do that, they can discover a good chance of bug finding, which TFP take notice of and fix, with patches/hotfixes and releases of experimental and stable versions

TFP coders play the game (and yeah some of those vids seen are really bad, makes me laugh at some of their game play), bugs/errors can be missed

So they put it out to the streamers that then discover them

That’s why TFP ask these popular guys to run the latest patch/version

Imagine this, (to the OP)

If it wasn’t for dedicated streamers/players that find issues/bugs/coding etc. errors

You would probably be moaning about “why is this now A19.4/5/6/7/8/9/10 updates, why do I have to keep updating, why is the game not fixed yet”

It’s because of testers like streamers that find the issues to make YOUR game play better
By the way, how many bugs do you think they will find this weekend? What prevents them from having feedback and fixing bugs without streamers?

You would probably be moaning about “why is this now A19.4/5/6/7/8/9/10 updates, why do I have to keep updating, why is the game not fixed yet”
Sure? Show me that person who would do this 😆

 
simple solution to that bach Dont use the trader at all [SIZE=14.6px] :) [/SIZE]
I just started a new game tonight and from what I can tell I won't have that problem...maybe. I finished my basic quests and instead of getting my usual go to trader I got NO TRADER in red letters. Not sure if that means no traders on map or just no traders in the area I am in...will have to see.

 
I just started a new game tonight and from what I can tell I won't have that problem...maybe. I finished my basic quests and instead of getting my usual go to trader I got NO TRADER in red letters. Not sure if that means no traders on map or just no traders in the area I am in...will have to see.
that would mean no traders on map which is strange

 
that would mean no traders on map which is strange
Or it is a custom map via KingGen/Nitrogen that has a single biome with no pine forest and no modification to the find settlement quest.  In vanilla 7D2D, the find trader quest looks for one in the Pine Forest Biome only

 
I just started a new game tonight and from what I can tell I won't have that problem...maybe. I finished my basic quests and instead of getting my usual go to trader I got NO TRADER in red letters. Not sure if that means no traders on map or just no traders in the area I am in...will have to see.
 the game couldn't find trader in the pine forest. 

 
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that would mean no traders on map which is strange


What I thought also.

Or it is a custom map via KingGen/Nitrogen that has a single biome with no pine forest and no modification to the find settlement quest.  In vanilla 7D2D, the find trader quest looks for one in the Pine Forest Biome only


Nope, random gen map. I do have half dozen mods but have used them forever in other games I have started and have never seen this happen. Matter of fact I usually have dozens of mods in most games and never had this happen.

 the game couldn't find couldn't find trader in the pine forest. 


You think I may find a trader in a different biome. I am curious. I think I can get all the poi's in the game from an xml file in the save dir so I may have a look later.

 
What I thought also.

Nope, random gen map. I do have half dozen mods but have used them forever in other games I have started and have never seen this happen. Matter of fact I usually have dozens of mods in most games and never had this happen.

You think I may find a trader in a different biome. I am curious. I think I can get all the poi's in the game from an xml file in the save dir so I may have a look later.
You could try. But yeh usually means the game was unable to locate a trader in the pine forest whether one wasn't placed or the trader quest bugged out tho. 

 
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