It won't be a terrible disappointment for me. I don't live in a game, I have other things in life that concern me. There's no point in speaking for others, thinking for others, or judging others by yourself. It doesn't benefit anyone, and it makes you nervous.
Feedback on 2.5
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Not nervous. Anxious to give the feedback to you.
There is a saying: whatever amuses a child, as long as he doesn’t cry.Not nervous. Anxious to give the feedback to you.
Good saying. But i dont considder you a child. I think you are an adult. So i certainly dont think of you like that.
Rotor
Survivor
The older you get the more to turn into a child again.
Riamus
Hunter
How was it impossible? You could get plenty of water without ever looting a town. You had the option to drink water from any water source if you wanted to and you didn't have to go to town in order to build a dew collector except for one version when you had to buy a filter that was only from a trader in order to build a dew collector, but that was removed quickly. It wasn't impossible to stay in the wilderness and avoid towns. Besides, most people who choose to play a wilderness-only game still loot wilderness POI. Dying from thirst isn't even an option in the game, btw. Not unless you consider dying from bad choices when fighting and not have great stamina regen because of thirst as "dying from thirst" even though you could easily manage that if you needed to.
Again, you're not going to die from thirst. And there is zero reason to buy jars from traders. I don't even use the empty jars. There's no need to. I don't even have a dew collector yet and I still have not needed to use a single empty jar. There are plenty of options for managing thirst without needing any empty jars. And for those who can't figure out how to do that, enabling jar refunds will give you so many extra jars pretty quickly that it's hardly a problem. I mean, a single empty jar with 100% refund will let you never be thirsty unless you have no water sources around because you can just keep refilling it over and over again. The only real reason to buy empty jars is if you want to make a ton of glue, which comes back around to the original reason many of us have been saying that people were asking for empty jars... glue production rather than immersion.
If you're saving jars after use, you're going to have endless jars even without dew collectors. As I said, I haven't even used any empty jars, so I already have more than I need and I haven't built any dew collectors yet. Besides, if dew collectors bother you, just don't build them. Leave them for those of us not interested in using empty jars. You got your wish for empty jars. Now let those of us who don't want them be able to play the game without them without needing mods.
That may be true, but you can honestly say that if it was the end of the world and you were looting houses and buildings that you would have any difficulty finding bottles (water, soda, juice, energy drinks, etc.)? Not to mention every other container that can hold water? Yes, you might not have any, but almost everyone else will. It actually made more sense that the jars were abstracted because they are so easily found in the world that making it as if you always have some handy when needed is more realistic than making it so you have a "hard" time finding them.
I would point out that there isn't anything that I've seen while playing 2.5 EXP that tells the player to wrap up the meat in paper. Anyone who doesn't follow the forum or patch notes is unlikely to ever wrap up meat unless someone tells them about it. To me, that makes the mechanic not a good mechanic. It isn't clear and doesn't even make sense. After all, an animal can easily smell meat that is wrapped in paper. That has little to no effect on them smelling it. We're not putting the meat into ziploc bags here. Anyhow, I don't really care what they do with smell. I've played around with it and I'll finish the game with it, but it hasn't added any value to the game and just gets annoying. Not to mention a RED icon always on my screen whenever I carry raw meat or eat something is really annoying to see. So I'll end up disabling it after this game and never use it again. For those who like it, that's great. But I have no reason to use it.
There isn't any reason to worry about the paper. I haven't bothered wrapping up meat. It isn't too common to have raw meat in my inventory in a large town and it's hardly a big deal to have smell in the wilderness. I just carry it until I get back to base and drop it off. I'm not going to carry around paper for such a minor thing.I mentioned in another post that I like that there is another use for paper.
Before I would rarely keep paper as I hardly (not sure if I even ever did) make shotgun shells.
But now I keep a few sheets on me in case I do harvest some meat so I can just immediately wrap that rascal.
Gamida
Hood Ornament
I just mentioned it as there was no other real need for paper, not that it was essential to carry at all times
I was talking about versions before the advent of the dew collector and the removal of empty glass jars
Riamus
Hunter
Okay, but what about right now? The discussion in this thread is about 2.5 (see the topic title). Do you currently have any risk of dying from thirst or difficulty getting water as it is now in 2.5?
You also said it contradicts your experience in the current build and again mention dying from thirst.
Speaking of the current version, while playing slowly with the glass jar disappearance setting, I had a problem that forced me to buy jars from the merchant. Then I tried playing with the jar return feature, but after building the collector, I was surprised to realize I now had endless free jars. Such are the contrasting impressions.
Kyoji
Survivor
I have never had to buy jars from a merchant in this experimental or previous game versions.
The problem with jars returning is that you have an excess of them. It was the same when I played A16. Always tossing them out. Nothing about the dew collector changes that. It just makes it worse.
For the record I do not think the dew collector should require jars to use. I think gameplay should always trump realism in games.
I agree that the accumulation of glass jars can be a problem, and one rational solution would be to use them in more crafting. As I said before, I was quite happy when there were no empty jars at all in the game. I just find it odd that a character throws away (or eats) valuable jars. I understand that it's a game, but for me, it's an element of immersion.
Riamus
Hunter
I'm wondering why you needed to buy them. Unless you're not spending any time looting, it shouldn't be at all necessary. I have never even used an empty jar, let alone bought one. And I don't have a dew collector. Water is hardly an issue. And you can always drink water directly from a water source if you are thirsty without even needing a jar.
Everyone plays differently, sometimes I like to spend several hours (game days) at the base, decorating it, or exploring the wilderness for a long time, so sometimes I have no choice but to buy glass jars, I know that you can drink from the river, but without pills I am not going to risk it, especially after the smells return and the smell from dysentery is added
I said this as soon as it was released. Creating jars out of thin air is really just lazy development. It was obviously thrown in without any nod towards immersion. Really it should be more of a water filter and you use jars to scoop out clean water. But whatever. I couldn't care less one way or the other about jars. That's not the point. Quick fixes to cover up other quick fixes quickly becomes silliness. And needing a crucible to make jars? That's just a slap in the face to those who wanted jars back. Not to me, because like I said, I don't care one way or the other. But really, y'all should be ■■■■ed about that one. But once someone spends that much time in development creating a new workstation like the dew collector, it becomes sentimental and it becomes impossible to scrap because of pride. It's here to stay I think. lol
WarMongerian
Scavenger
Not so much. These forums seem pretty well divided on jar appreciation. I'd say if you want to have this war on the madness battlefield you'd need to try to have it on reddit... but you're unlikely to find much common sense there.
Putting all of that aside, it's not even that I dislike jars. It's that previous implementations of jars never felt like it added anything to the game. We were constantly swimming in jars to the point that they were just an annoyance. I'd be mid-game and have an entire crate filled with empty jars, so having to take the time to drop the empties while out and about was the only thing they added.
So I was happy to see them go.
This implementation is pretty good so far. I play with the default 0% return only because it helps jars be meaningful. Otherwise they'll just quickly be annoying clutter that aren't making survival more challenging or the game more fun (for me).
^^ This.
WarMongerian
Scavenger
And if so, what does that do for the game? Does it make it more challenging? More excitement? No. It just wastes folks time.
Of course they/you are. You wanted the uselessly bothersome empty jars brought back into the game, there was no pressing reason for them to exist, and their return isn't going to make any positive difference.
No, it is NOT unfair, it is true and tells it like it is. If you want to make a stand, and die on this hill, go for it.
Really? Cause it really sounds like you and the like minded folks are the ones with the problem.
We already had a good solution. The needless empty bottles were removed. They are redundant, serve no useful purpose, and are better left as an abstraction, ie:
There are so many more bottles/containers than there are survivors, just lying around everywhere, that no survivor needs to be bothered with their existence, they just grab them when they need them, discard them, and when they are next needed, repeat that system.
Once again, a Dew Collector isn't MAKING empty jars/containers out of thin air, rather, the players' character is just making use of a resource that is so commonplace that wasting time trying to track them is both dumb, and actually counterproductive. What is the point in even having empty bottles in a world that is massively polluted with them?
I think we already understand each other's positions, so I don't see any point in repeating myself.
WarMongerian
Scavenger
Stop right there. How does empty jars/containers help you in any way? Could you not have just as easily bought a filled container, you know, Coffee, Tea, Yucca?
Yes, because folks wasted TFP staff time, and whined and whined about empty jars, so they implemented a change to end all the inscent whinning, and now you want to waste even more time, trying to correct the newly created problem.
The solution is simple.
GET RID OF THE EMPTY BOTTLES.
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Fair enough, but then kindly drop all this whining about empty bottles. If you keep whining, I'm going to keep pointing out that you are wrong.
If you stop cluttering up the forums threads with this unneeded garbage, I'll stop pointing out how stupid the whole empty bottles position is.
What say you?
theFlu
Hunter
In the game logic, it is.
At a lake, the "unlimited amount of containers" doesn't exist, and your character is stumped without jars.
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At a collector, suddenly the jars aren't an issue. But logically, they must be coming from somewhere. Thus the collector is "generating" them.
A lot of "jar complainers" would be decently happy if the character could use those "unlimited containers" at the lake, but that would make water instantly infinite. I wouldn't mind too much, but TFP wants to gate it; and I'd prefer Some gating myself, it's a survival game after all. Thus "jars" as the limiting factor.
You're free to dislike the empties, as useless and cumbersome, or whatever; but please try to understand the sentiment you're arguing against. I find the empties a good way to maintain basic survival mechanics in the game, and the dew collector a weird, unrealistic contraption; doesn't help that it's modeled as a rain catcher but doesn't work like one.... Having the umpteenth item to throw away by default is trivial in comparison imo (I carry very few items beyond the bounds of the POI I'm at, I'm discarding everything in a trash box at the front...).