Except running from the horde isn't neutral because you lose the opportunity of the "fun" of the horde. What you're saying is that the "fun" of the horde does not outweigh the "not fun" of a net loss of value.
Was this worded backwards? Seems like people who support underground being safe are the ones saying fighting 7th nights isn't worth it.
Yeah I agree with this statement. And I also agree that it becomes a hard choice. And my opinion is that it should not be a hard choice. Everyone should WANT and HAVE to fight the 7th night hordes. It seems like a really core part of the game. As a developer I feel like if players are avoiding one of your main game mechanics you have a serious problem.
And yet "avoiding them on a vehicle" is exactly what you are going to do?
The problem with that is that when there is only one option its no longer an option its a fixed gameplay instruction, the opposite of a sandbox in fact.
Some people certainly do take the mentality which you outlined in the remainder of your post, and they are wrong in that.
There's a gray area and you have to draw the line somewhere. If you keep saying "what if x wants to do y" then eventually you can get to a point where the game isn't even 7 Days to Die but something else entirely. Developers make decisions and restrict gameplay in certain ways, and those design choices make the game what it is. Be careful about claiming that you can never under any circumstances restrict gameplay. I do see where you're coming from with your statement though. It is my personal opinion, and if I was the developer I would be forcing people to participate in 7th nights because that's a core element of my game's design. Not because I don't want people to have options, but because that's a specific mechanic that the game revolves around and people /need/ to be participating in it. Whether it's out in a random PoI, dug into a hole in the ground, running through the forest, whatever. I would definitely want to encourage people to participate and not to not participate.
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Seriously tho, I truly understand what your saying but just like in life, having fun generally "costs" something. For example if I take the kids to the lake for a week, we sure have a lot of fun. That is the reward, then I have to go work all week to pay for that fun.
I see this as a similar situation. Enjoy the horde night and the accomplishment of surviving, then scavenge, mine, prepare so you can enjoy it again next time. I don't think the goal of horde night should be to gain wealth or items, instead one should enjoy the challenge or failure of the experience.
Interesting point. I wonder if I'm so vocal about this specifically because I'm the one being restricted in this scenario and it was selfish and wrong (in my opinion!) of the developers to make this change. Or that I feel like I'm the one being slighted by this change. And that's exactly the reason why I'm here posting. I certainly have the right to be like, "hey, this negatively affects me, what gives???"
99% of zombies die on spikes or to turrets Roland. Are we getting trap XP yet? 99% of the time I shoot a zombie in the head with a crossbow and his leg flies off and he starts crawling around spinning in circles rapidly in the spikes and dies before I get another bolt loaded or before I'm able to hit his head again like going for a particular space in wheel of fortune.
So you will choose efficient over fun then. I can think of a lot of things I do in my life that fun trumps efficient. Everyone marches to a different drummer I suppose and there's nothing wrong with that. Hopefully there is something on horde night that satisfies us both.
In all seriousness though, I disagree. There is inherent fun to fighting and winning a horde night, but I'm wired for maximum efficiency and I'm going to pick the more efficient option. If riding on my minibike is a better use of my time then that's what I'm going to do.
I guess you can't see it on this forum, but the title of the file is "fun costs something"
Yes and in my opinion the most efficient option should also be the most fun option. The "easy" option should be to run and hide but should come with less rewards. I don't see how anyone can argue with this but you people are doing a damn good job of it.
Yes, but you consistently are inaccurate about it. Both Kinyajuu and Madmole and myself have stated that the zombies will drop bags if they have loot. So please stop saying they have removed zombie loot. It is inaccurate. It is rarer now but Madmole also stated that as they playtest they will make adjustments if they feel the loot chance is too low.
Probably because it is opinion and not fact?
Most of my introductory posts clearly state that I am aware that there is zombie loot being dropped at a rare percentage. If you step into a middle of a conversation I can't be expected to repeat a giant disclaimer every post I make. To be fair, this forum moves too quickly to read everything so I don't blame you for missing my disclaimers. I've written this particular disclaimer every time I'm engaged in this discussion:
I'm just talking theoretical scenarios. We know zombie loot was changed. We know it's extraordinarily more rare now. We don't know the extent to which we will be getting loot, especially on horde nights. All we can do is sit on this forum and talk because A17 isn't out yet. And that's what I'm doing.