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Very few modders make their own props, Rick was entirely right in that regard.  Most are purchased from the unity store then subjected to modifications. 
Well idk what about props in 7dtd situation but often npc are taken from diffrent games - alma from F.e.a.r i saw harley quin from batman arham city. I don't have problem with that if this is done good - alma as zombie kid looks ok - it's looks like vanilia model but harley so much like much diffrent game. Well - if you take skyrim immersive creature as example -  modife psedogigant  from stalker looks good. Just only - inconsistent choice of models in many 7DTD mods hurts a lot. If this will change after workshop? probably. But.... this depend how much this will take.  To be honest : if anyone want advice if something would suit i'm read to help

Partially true.  It is very costly and risky to venture off and try something new and untested in the market.  There is the cost to develop tech. and the risk of failing to make X dollars.

CoD / Activision is a great example.  Relatively less new tech. to develop, and is a tried and true formula that still sells in the market.

Thankfully TFPs are willing to spend the time and resources to create a unique blend of experiences no one else has copied yet.

With the exception of Microsoft, as far as minecraft is concerned, so what?  Some new IPs and great games would never have existed if people were afraid to be competitive just be because there is already another well established game in the market.
And... many don't exist and ... because don't exist i can't show you them as example. But - is there any similiar game to CoD? To be honest - no.  Medal of honor tried but failed. Battalion 44 failed too... If you compare with diffrent FPS -let hell loose could be competitor to.. Arma not CoD. 

Witcher and AC  valhhala are similiar  games. Lies of P is similiar to dark souls or nioh. But such games are pretty safe... same base just diffrernt setting and bigger focus on diffrent things - it's much easier to create small and pretty empty locations that RWG with good quality POI.  But it's pretty safe.  Autor of Mistborn books wanted to give CDP for free rights to create game basic on his IP and... ofc no chance because create such  movement and combat system would be to risky for AAA game. SNK have something like that but.. doesn't sell as good as much safer games. Sony risked with Days gone - still much safer that 7dtd like game but sold not good enough for sony.

Ofc this don't have to be big game - little nightmares is example how to make good platformer with lower budget but.... limbo is similiar and sold good so this was much less risky thing and pretty simple -  there is few indie similiar game to little nightmares because not such hard to make.

Another thing is... merch - you know about COD mugs, figures, t-shirts even brick?  Horizon will have tshow and have lego sets. MC is pretty family friendly - so you can sell toys shirts etc.  Ofc 7dtd have this but it's just small addition not big source of income. 

Only big but risky game like 7dtd is.... COH3. But will be coh3 good game? hard to say - they delyed released by 4 months. Fun fuct - polish company called Cobi is makling bricks sets as coh3 sets - here is better situation - why? because even if coh3 will be bad game - sets will sell good because... Cobi making a lot of ww2 sets so this would not change a lot.  Most companies won't risk soo much - 7dtd is specific game like Medieval dynasty. Ofc they could try but... even if game get good opinions of players - didn't sold good enough to be consider as realistic success - because it this same time there could be done more generic but less costly game - Red faction series as example or spec ops the line

That's why we have so many battle royal - low risk to make - just more complicated DM on big maps. While RTS market is pretty dead - there is a lot of things to have chance to get finansal success

I hope TFP wiill do idk - medieval 7dtd, japan 7dtd itd because nobody will risk with something like this. That's why this is just sad because.... only hope is that TFP want to make such games. But until they will publish news about their new game it will take 2-3 years and it's not guarranted if they don't want to do dunno PVP like rust or Coop game with ghost instead something similiar.
 

 
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But if you point out a possible problem in advance, the developers can check before the release by, for example, instructing the test players not to buy filters from the trader or do quests and then give them feedback.


There is going to be a problem if you don't use the trader and you want explosive bolts for horde night. Period. I can tell you that right now. There may even be a problem if you don't want drinking water be a survival struggle for your entire playthrough.

I can also say that choosing to play without traders is a choice that is going to bring certain challenges and limitations. The devs are not obligated to try and balance the game for those who choose to ignore a portion of the game. Their assumption is that players are going to use the elements in the game that are present and if a player chooses to ignore a part of the game then it is to challenge themselves and so any subsequent imbalances that occur would be part of that challenge. It would be like a player resolving not to use any vehicles because they strongly believe that the vehicles in the game are unrealistically easy to craft with the tools and workstations present in the game. So they don't use vehicles but then complain that some quests are 2km away because that is too far to go on foot to make it worth it. And then they complain that the devs are forcing them to use vehicles which goes against their preferred playstyle.

I'm 99% certain that those who want to be able to find enough filters to mass produce glue and to progress beyond the hydration struggle but also play without traders are going to have to mod the loot tables to increase the chance of finding filters.

 
I'm 99% certain that those who want to be able to find enough filters to mass produce glue and to progress beyond the hydration struggle but also play without traders are going to have to mod the loot tables to increase the chance of finding filters.
This should not be a big problem. unholyjoe once posted a snippet from the loot.xml. Based on this, a mod to change the probability from very low to low should look something like this:

<set xpath="/lootcontainers/lootgroup/item[@name="resourceWaterFilter"]/@loot_prob_template">low</set>




As far as I know, veryLow has a 5% chance and low has a 20% chance. There would also be medLow with 35%.

 
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Not likely to change matt.  We scrounged the internet for free and cheap models.  To model from scratch just isn't something most of us are capable of.  As far as inconsistencies, very true, but that's what modding is for.  Remove the ones you don't like. 

 
Well, it only exists in my brain as an example of the type of things Joel is thinking of for “legendary” items. But when he starts adding such things I’ll be sure to mention 0l’ Sodbuster!
No, you don't understand.  Gam is autistic and NEEDS to wage a war on grass.  It's that or he cries while awake... something about "you shot me" or something, I don't recall. 😃

 
Not likely to change matt.  We scrounged the internet for free and cheap models.  To model from scratch just isn't something most of us are capable of.  As far as inconsistencies, very true, but that's what modding is for.  Remove the ones you don't like. 
I see 😕 Thx 

 
The problem right now is not that purple tier items are loot only and so that invalidates the blue tier items you crafted. The problem is that purple tier items are so common that you can be entirely kitted out with them. That was the mistake, imo. If you could only get 2-3 pieces of equipment or armor total in a play through of highest tier then everything you crafted would stay relevant and the few things you found would be special items. 
 

Legendary items are going to have various tier levels but they are going to have a permanent mod attachment that cannot be removed and that will provide an awesome ability not available in any other way. 
 

So, yes, that legendary shovel, Ol’ Sodbuster, might be a yellow tier steel shovel with a non-removable mod that increases attack speed for every clump of grass you destroy with a 10 second window so that you can clear all the grass in an area blindingly fast.  Stuff like that and you probably won’t get very many in any particular play through and they won’t be necessarily meant to be the next tier up that you would try and obtain for every weapon, every armor piece, and every tool. 
You have no idea how much of a relief it is to hear someone higher up admit to tier 6 being way too common is a problem. It absolutely cuts down the potential play time of the game. When you have the best of everything you lose reasons to keep looking. Same goes for things like airdrops giving 500 steel blocks haha. I get some things are for accessibility or simplicity, but drop rates are entirely separate from that. Things need to feel special to trigger that dopamine reponse.

 
You have no idea how much of a relief it is to hear someone higher up admit to tier 6 being way too common is a problem. It absolutely cuts down the potential play time of the game. When you have the best of everything you lose reasons to keep looking. Same goes for things like airdrops giving 500 steel blocks haha. I get some things are for accessibility or simplicity, but drop rates are entirely separate from that. Things need to feel special to trigger that dopamine reponse.
Woah.  Don't be giving Roland a big head by calling him "Higher Up".  According to a recent video, he's already got an ego.

(which I find truly hysterical; I've interacted with Roland for years on a few levels and I find him incredibly down to Earth).

 
Woah.  Don't be giving Roland a big head by calling him "Higher Up".  According to a recent video, he's already got an ego.

(which I find truly hysterical; I've interacted with Roland for years on a few levels and I find him incredibly down to Earth).
I think the "small jabs" the video points out are just products of dealing with the unruliness in the community over the years. Its human. I can't say I'm a big fan of the recent direction the games been heading in either, but yelling and being unreasonable with the people who work on or for it gets none of us anywhere.

 
Woah.  Don't be giving Roland a big head by calling him "Higher Up".  According to a recent video, he's already got an ego.

(which I find truly hysterical; I've interacted with Roland for years on a few levels and I find him incredibly down to Earth).
What was that?

I’m sorry but the wind factor way up here is so powerful it makes it hard to hear you way down there gup!  Let me drift down a bit to where Laz is and see if he could make out what you were saying….

 
Wait? What? Tell me more about this amazingly wonderful device that I absolutely need.


Most people are familiar with John Henry's sledgehammer, used in his epic race against a steam-powered drill.

But ol' Sodbuster was used in the mid 1920s by Barclay Grainger of Navezgane AZ to out plow a tractor of the time. You still see ol' Sodbuster on display in Western Town at the Navezgane Museum.

Now I'm wondering what the Legendary Auger will be. That'll be popular.

 
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You have a little strange logic.There are three ways to get items in the game: find, buy, craft.To find an item, you need to loot, to buy an item, you need to loot, sell what you don't need and buy what you need.To craft an item, you need to loot to find the right details.All three ways of obtaining items imply looting.Therefore, the player has the right to buy or craft an item no worse than he can find.The risk is the same in all cases.On the contrary, I am in favor of the fact that the player, with a certain development of perks, could craft all items, including solar panels and elements, as well as items of the tier 6. Without this, crafting cannot be considered complete.
But in order for everything to be in balance, a system of specializations is needed.If a player becomes a nerd, he will be weak in battle.If this is a strong fighter, he will not be able to craft anything better than stone tools.And now players simply increase the characteristics of strength and intelligence and get everything at once.This is not right.There is no sense in other characteristics now at all.

Try once not to use strength and intelligence in your survival.The game will open up for you from a completely different side.
Um, I never said anything about crafting Q6 things. I was talking about the potential legendary items Roland was talking about. Hell, I even allow Q6 crafting in my mod, so I have no problem there. But a legendary item should be special. If you can craft it, to me, that makes it not special.

 
I want the new character customization and armor! Whens that? I feel like it's been forever since it was announced. 😭

 
I can't wait for A21! But to make sure I don't cry when we get it, I just now went ahead and upgraded to 32gb ram from 16. A little birdie told me if I did, I would have happy feelings. Besides, it runs much faster than my old memory! I assume everyone else already did this a long time ago, but hey.

It wasn't service affecting at all yet...YET.

 
I can't wait for A21! But to make sure I don't cry when we get it, I just now went ahead and upgraded to 32gb ram from 16. A little birdie told me if I did, I would have happy feelings. Besides, it runs much faster than my old memory! I assume everyone else already did this a long time ago, but hey.

It wasn't service affecting at all yet...YET.


Too late:  https://community.7daystodie.com/topic/28129-alpha-21-dev-diary/?do=findComment&comment=504639

Just when you bought all that memory they change it so it runs on your Apple II with 8k memory 😁

 
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ever heard of pulled pork? thats yum and essentially boiled meat.

and corned beef

and one of new zealands  delicacies is a 'boil up'

boiled chicken is ok too...

poached fish is nice

i am guessing you dont cook a lot...

🙂
I actually cook quite a bit. Yes those are decent examples however all have other spices, herbs, & sauces added to them. 

Boiled meat in this game is a chunk of meat boiled in a jar....even the graphic looks gross. 🤮

With all that said, I was only half serious with my original post. 

Hell in my playthrough right now, I've actually broke down & am boiling that meat.....playing on 25% loot is just brutal.......

 
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