PC After 4000 hours with a11-a16, I won't spend much time in a17x. Here's why... no fun!

It’s true that Steamcharts doesn’t give the complete picture and isn’t completely accurate. It’s just MORE accurate than the tool you guys are using which is the sample size of your friends and people with your same gaming preferences you’ve met in your servers.
As I said, you go ahead and discount and explain away the data that a high of 17k grew to a high of 23k throughout this first week and cling to the fact that everyone you know hates the game now.
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Roland! I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are confusing me with someone else! Since I have never said anything about what my friends or people on my server feel about this game. Mainly because i play solo and almost non of my friends are playing it 7dtd!

And even if those 10 friends who I have bought copies to, have had an opinion about it 7dtd I sure as hell wouldn't think that that would be representative for the player base. The same way i know that critical post or praising post here is not be representative for the whole player base.

Sooooo I wasn't discounting the data im doing a remark on your statement.. "23000 are playing happily". You are our moderator and therfor i think its important that you choose your wordings carefully.

Now take a deep breath and carry on!

 
today we hit 23k
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23,000 are playing happily.
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23k are playing.... that does not indicate their satisfaction with the game.

I was one of those 23k people playing today, but I would not call what I was doing "playing happily".

And you think we're the ones with a narrative? LOL

 
4000 hours??? thats time to consider getting a life now bud.. :(
but seriously, its an experimental build, the game hasnt been set in stone
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Since the game came out almost 5 years ago now... he's played 4000 hours of the 44000 hours it's been out. That's what makes you say it's time to get a life? What? Some people enjoy playing just 1 game. or 1-2 games. Not everyone wants to play 10 separate games for 30 minutes each day...

It's not "set in stone" but it's not a good basis thus far.

 
23k are playing.... that does not indicate their satisfaction with the game.
I was one of those 23k people playing today, but I would not call what I was doing "playing happily".

And you think we're the ones with a narrative? LOL
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If I wasn't having fun, I wouldn't be playing.. I assume people aren't stupid enough to keep playing a game they don't like

 
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I wasn't having fun, I wouldn't be playing.. I assume people are stupid enough to keep playing a game they don't like
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Fun is subjectiv... here are a few examples!

its fun! but is it as fun as a16?

It fun to see what new features TFP have in store for us?

Even if i dont think its fun right now. Maybe it becomes more fun in late game. Lets see exploring is fun.

All playable fun!

 
I apologize for the generalization with the 23k all being happy. I agree that it was a weak statement.

Your turn.

 
I apologize for the generalization with the 23k all being happy. I agree that it was a weak statement.
Your turn.
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What's your job even in those forum? Like, honestly? Breaking threads with constructive criticism with unrelated quotes and comments seems to be one.

 
I also have only banned one person but that was for ranting and then arguing about it in the official bug report thread and only for three days. A few people who I previously banned for disrupting the forum with doom and gloom about A17 never coming out, I let back in after the experimental released. Not sure why I did that with all my lack of empathy...

 
If I wasn't having fun, I wouldn't be playing.. I assume people aren't stupid enough to keep playing a game they don't like
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Now my intelligence is being insulted for playing the game I purchased? Such a great community you guys have here.

I am playing the new version to test it out, to see if what I disliked initially plays out how I expected it to. It's rather hard to provide constructive criticism without actually playing it.

 
The only time I actually had a funny moment in the experimental was out side at night crouching by a tree trying to get some wood...I kept chopping and hearing this strange noise..

I would stop look around nothing no sounds nothing.!

carry on again hear this strange noise again!

sounded like a zombie circling me!

every time I stopped chopping the noise stopped

finally realised it is my character has really bad asthma and breathing weirdly lol!!

 
Heh...yeh, we math professors are a slimy lot. Ad hominem is all you’ve got in your quiver I see. That’s fine....
er...good argument....
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See? This is what I was talking about. You don't seem to understand the feelings of other people. Otherwise you would know this was not an attempt to attack you, just stating the obvious. You sure are good with numbers, but numbers aren't everything. Did you read the post of another user who said that all those people may as well be simply struggling to get through the first part of the game grind to more advanced part of the game in hope to have some fun? Remember when I told you that this will happen with artificially stretching the game progression? You dismissed my comments then and now that Alpha 17 is out, more people come here to say the same I said long before Alpha 17 got released and yet, you are at it again, dismissing negative feedback! Dismissing negative feedback with pure numbers IS what irritates the old players even more, because the numbers you're talking about are actual players, the number includes also old players you're trying to dismiss now, the players who experienced the game, players who may have positive, but also negative feelings about it. Just because the game now takes so MUCH longer which necessarily creates high number of players in game at the same time, doesn't mean that all those players are actually enjoying it or that they are actually playing Alpha 17 and not modded Alpha 16.4 after giving up on the grind in Alpha 17. You never considered these other factors and all you see is the high number of players, that's why I assumed you either don't understand or don't really care about the feelings of players or what they actually like or not.

 
I'm not sure why people hold roland to a higher standard than the rest of us. I dunno, I guess it's because I've dealt with him for years, but I'm comfortable with him being human, and I'm glad the majority of tfp doesn't treat us like we are beneath them.

That's why this community is good...

 
Now my intelligence is being insulted for playing the game I purchased? Such a great community you guys have here.
I am playing the new version to test it out, to see if what I disliked initially plays out how I expected it to. It's rather hard to provide constructive criticism without actually playing it.
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I've spent $60 on games I don't find fun. So I guess I insulted my own intelligence to. Atleast I don't play them though.

By the way it wasn't directed at you. It was directed at the 23,000 people playing.

 
What's your job even in those forum? Like, honestly? Breaking threads with constructive criticism with unrelated quotes and comments seems to be one.
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What was unrelated? I posted directly to previously made comments in the thread that I felt cast an inaccurate representation of the whole community. I agree that your criticism of the game is valid. I have not posted a single contrary view to “level gates are bad” and “one hour debuff death penalty is bad” and “perk point system is bad”. “ and “sleeper spawning is bad”. Etc. Those are your opinions and they should be heard.

But if you say what I am doing is shutting down discussion then so is what your faction is doing by contextualizing your point of view as the majority. Im not going to stop someone from saying “I hate the slow progression” but if they go on to represent their opinion as the whole community’s opinion then I’m going to offer up a counterexample to that. People are free to believe what I share or not.

Someone said earlier that you’re just here to state what you don’t like. Simple as that.

But it isn’t as simple as that. They go on to add to their criticism that the ratio of anti to pro A17 threads proves TFP have made bad design decisions. They say that people who defend the decisions are just kissing up to TFP or are mindless fanbois. They say that empty servers that used to be full of people who are just like them proves that TFP is wrong. They describe the designs as “lazy” “idiotic” “stoopid and stupid” and that only new players like it but oldtime players all hate it.

Sorry, but things are not nearly as dark and terrible as that. So I have empathy for those who find they don’t like the changes and am grateful to those who have posted their opinions about what they dislike and actually did keep it as simple as that.

 
"just like most other math professors" you say..... care to share that data would you?
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Are you a professor yourself if you insist on getting raw data? Maybe I should have said most professors I met so far.

 
He is good with numbers, less so with empathy, just like most other math professors.
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See? This is what I was talking about. You don't seem to understand the feelings of other people. Otherwise you would know this was not an attempt to attack you, just stating the obvious.
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lmao....I shouldn’t take what you said as an insult... just as an obvious fact? Would you like a steel shovel or an auger so you can dig yourself even deeper?

Let me guess, this obvious truth about math teachers is based on all those you’ve met just like A17 is obviously a bad design direction because everyone you know also believes it.

Now please, return to discussing your criticism of the game but please make it as simple as that and you’ll hear nothing further from me.

 
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