(A20) Snufkin Weapons Xpansion

[MeredithS]

Can I confirm it's the SMX UI  and possibly others by Sirillion?





If so, it may well be worth asking Sirillion directly if they wouldn't mind taking a look at the lootbox mod itself and possibly customising it to fit into SMX rather than the other way around. It may well be less coding to implement things that way. Snufkin has been very open to other modders supporting his work and actively encouraged modders to utilise his assets which has been done for expanded version of his mods.

I'll def. throw a message out to Sirillion and see if its something they could do. Thank you = ) In the mean time, I suppose I could just set up a normal machine and sell the loot boxes for dukes = ) 

 

[Guest]

I'll def. throw a message out to Sirillion and see if its something they could do. Thank you = ) In the mean time, I suppose I could just set up a normal machine and sell the loot boxes for dukes = ) 

Yes, nice work around. Other server tweaks have seen them added to low tier, mid tier, and boss tier loot bags as per preference, and possibly increasing weapon find probability in the reinforced trunks. Snufkin set them up when those reinforced trunks were a little rarer back in A18 but A19 new POIs made sure they are much more of a common feature and that shows with these custom weapons.

 

[OwlWolfe]

My players have noticed the Savery isn't doing much damage. The stat says it will do roughly 150 damage at level 6 but when using the weapon it does about 20 damage which is like throwing a rock at someone. So my question is, how do I increase the damage modifier for The Savery? I looked into the items.xml file but there's three different Entity Damage modifiers and I'm not sure which one to mess with if any.

 

[Guest]

My players have noticed the Savery isn't doing much damage. The stat says it will do roughly 150 damage at level 6 but when using the weapon it does about 20 damage which is like throwing a rock at someone. So my question is, how do I increase the damage modifier for The Savery? I looked into the items.xml file but there's three different Entity Damage modifiers and I'm not sure which one to mess with if any.

Yes, I've heard similar but left it as it was to retain its original settings. However, it is a glorious weapon and well worth a revisit. I've been using a lever action rifle version using Magnum ammo in The Wasteland Mod which has been a most worthy weapon and shares many common features with the Savery. There's no reason this Xpansion Mod version can't be tweaked.

I'm not sure how Snufkin calibrated the damage for this weapon because it is practically identical to other weapons and default values are abundant and very similar. The magnum does a lot more damage with very little difference and it may be tied to magazine capacity as well.

Anyways, I tried a level 6 with a magazine capacity of 12. One of the default values is:

<passive_effect name="EntityDamage" operation="base_add" value="10"/> which gave about 20-25 damage per hit with 200% + for headshots depending on Skill.

I changed it to:
<passive_effect name="EntityDamage" operation="base_add" value="25"/> which gave about 50-60 damage per hit and a headshot could eliminate lower level entities instantly and will further increase in damage with dismember potential as skills improves. 25 felt reasonably balanced with no skill because players do have 12 rounds to fire in very rapid succession.

I hope your players can try 25 to start with and see how it goes with skill points added to its branch and then we can tweak up or down if needed. Once that sweetspot is found, we can set it as the default value for the Xpansion version of the Savery to give it that punch players feel it lacks and bring it back into the game.

 

[shae122]

My players have noticed the Savery isn't doing much damage. The stat says it will do roughly 150 damage at level 6 but when using the weapon it does about 20 damage which is like throwing a rock at someone. So my question is, how do I increase the damage modifier for The Savery? I looked into the items.xml file but there's three different Entity Damage modifiers and I'm not sure which one to mess with if any.

Adding the revolver tag to the Savery rifle gives the weapon damage reflected of it's stats on the information page, I was messing with tags trying to fix the same problem and noticed that the damage would reflect correctly with 7.62.

Edit: my Tags property is now this
<property name="Tags" value="weapon,ranged,revolver,holdBreathAiming,reloadPenalty,gun,noSilencer,barrelAttachments,sideAttachments,smallTopAttachments,mediumTopAttachments,largeTopAttachments,stock,bottomAttachments,attPerception,perkDeadEye,canHaveCosmetic"/>

 

[Guest]

Thank you @shae122. I just cross checked another mod setting for 'The Wasteland' for the Lever Action Rifle which is very similar in build and your solution shares the same parameter with the 'revolver' tag. Thanks for working on the tags and finding the exact tag we all need. I'm going to test the Savery a little with this tag and see how it fares with the current settings to make sure it won't be too overpowered since it can fire 12 rounds in very rapid succession. It's possible things changed a little from A18 to A19 as Snufkin would have checked the Savery beforehand in A18 to make sure it had the power expected of a 'low' tier 'special' weapon and this could have been part of it.

 

[Guest]

Here's the Savery with the 'revolver' tag.

A level 1 savery with 82 damage.



A body shot provides 123 damage.

And a second body shot is a further consistent 123 damage.



A level 6 savery with 120 damage.



A body shot provides 175 damage.



And a second body shot is showing 143 damage but Zombie Yo had self healed (quite rapidly) and the consistency remains.



Changing the current default of <passive_effect name="EntityDamage" operation="base_add" value="10"/> to <passive_effect name="EntityDamage" operation="base_add" value="6"/> brings the Level 6 Savery from 120 to 114 and Level 1 from 82 to 78. A level 6 sniper rifle offers 94, and level 1 64; about a 20% reduction on the damage compared to a 'special' weapon that holds a similar amount of rounds. The damage suggested and the damage they actually do is not accurate but this is the same for stock weapons as well with the level 1 sniper at 64 actually doing 96 damage to an entity. Snufkin Weapons are quite rare and can be as rare as the Server Admin wants them to be simply by changing the lootbox probabilities.

Adding the 'revolver' tag suggested by @shae122 and dropping the base_add value from 10 to 6 keeps it similar to a sniper rifle for capacity but about 20% up in damage which will help with those more HP boosted Snufkin Zombies that often get added to the same server loadouts. I was a level 4 player at this stage with no skill on anything and no mods in any of the weapons.

@OwlWolfe Can you see if adding the 'revolver' tag and decreasing from 10 to 6 allows your players to feel the Savery has got its bit back but keeps it within the realms of balance? I am good to test on your server with your regulars for a couple of hours as well if you want to share your server details.

 

[Guest]

Here is a small update to the Snufkin Weapons Xpansion Mod for A19.

https://github.com/arramus/Snufkin-Weapons-Xpansion-A19-2021April23

@OwlWolfe received feedback from players within his community that the Savery (an existing weapon from Snufkin's original weapon mod) was lacking stopping power. This issue had been reported in the past and a revisit to the Savery was certainly long overdue. @shae122 had been experimenting with adding tags to weapons and suggested giving the Savery a 'revolver' tag which also reflects how the Savery is constructed as well as the ammo type. This suggestion worked very well and we appreciate the testing groundwork. The following changes updated the Savery from a rather blunt tool to a weapon with real stopping power.

1. Addition of 'revolver' tag.
2. Changing entity damage "base_add" value="10" to "base_add" value="6" (because adding the revolver tag made a fundamental change to entity HP loss per hit and needed bringing down a little).

This update gives the Savery a +20% HP hit over the Sniper Rifle at their reflected Weapon Tier Levels. The Savery and the Sniper Rifle share a similar magazine size and sniper benefits from greater scope and range features. Snufkin clearly balanced all of the the weapons for A18 but with updates to A19 came unexpected changes. We shall see how this changes the dynamics from hereon and will listen out for community feedback in case a further revisit is required.

 

[Evilspartan]

Works great thanks for the help

 

[Szynsz]

Hello,

I want add weapons to trader and i made trader.xml but idk why weapons don't show up on trader tab. Can anyone help me? I put my code below:

<config>
<append xpath="/traders/trader_item_groups/trader_item_group[@name='weaponsGunsT3']">
			<item name="Gamma Gun" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>  
			<item name="Gamma Round" count="5" prob="0.05"/>   
			<item name="Newcomen" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>   
			<item name="StickyGrenade" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>  
			<item name="HyperBlaster" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>  
			<item name="Energy Cells" count="5" prob="0.05"/> 
			<item name="Vampire Gauntlets" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>  
			<item name="Kronos XII" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>  
			<item name="Vulcan" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>  
			<item name="CrimsonHunter" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="CrimsonGrenade" count="5" prob="0.05"/>
			<item name="Savery" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="Polearm" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="QuadShotgun" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="Railgun" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="Thor Hammer" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="RailgunAmmo" count="50" prob="0.05"/>
			<item name="Thor Hammer" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="CrossbowMag" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="Klak Attack" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="Star Baseball Bat" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="DCLXVI Zeus" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="DCLXVI Zeus Ammo" count="50" prob="0.05"/>
			<item name="arramus Fire" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="arramus Fire Round" count="50" prob="0.05"/>
			<item name="Dre X3" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="Dre X3 Clucker Round" count="50" prob="0.05"/>
			<item name="Black Widow" prob="0.05" quality="1,6"/>
			<item name="ammoRedWidow" count="50" prob="0.05"/>
			<item name="ammoBlueWidow" count="50" prob="0.05"/>
			<item name="Green Ticket" count="5,10" prob="0.05"/>
			<item name="Yellow Ticket" count="1,5" prob="0.05"/>
			<item name="Red Ticket" count="1" prob="0.01"/>
			
			
			
</config>

 

[Guest]

@Szynsz

Based on this being added inside the Config folder for Snufkin Weapons Xpansion:

1. Add </append> to the end just above the </config> to close the code request.

2. Remove <item name="Green Ticket" count="5,10" prob="0.05"/> / <item name="Yellow Ticket" count="1,5" prob="0.05"/> / <item name="Red Ticket" count="1" prob="0.01"/> because they are handled in the Loot Box Add On or you'll get errors.

3. Increase the probability because this is a bit low as they are competing with some much higher probability items from Tier 1 - 3 and QL5.

Even then they will still have a lot of competition. They will mostly appear in the Secret Stash area that is unlocked by skill.

I added this to the T1 group and at .8 probability and it still took a long time to show any Snufkin weapon.



But the Secret Stash area will appear much more often.



And please don't forget the <item name="Brainsaw"> from your list of items for the Trader to display. It was added as an update and it is possible you have an older version.

 

[Szynsz]

Now it will work pls check:

<config>
<append xpath="/traders/trader_item_groups/trader_item_group[@name='weaponsGunsT1']">
<item name="Gamma Gun" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="Gamma Round" count="5" prob="0.8"/>
<item name="Newcomen" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="StickyGrenade" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="HyperBlaster" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="Energy Cells" count="5" prob="0.8"/>
<item name="Vampire Gauntlets" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="Kronos XII" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="Vulcan" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="CrimsonHunter" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="CrimsonGrenade" count="5" prob="0.8"/>
<item name="Savery" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="Polearm" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="QuadShotgun" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="Railgun" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="Thor Hammer" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="RailgunAmmo" count="50" prob="0.8"/>
<item name="Thor Hammer" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="CrossbowMag" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="Klak Attack" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="Star Baseball Bat" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="DCLXVI Zeus" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="DCLXVI Zeus Ammo" count="50" prob="0.8"/>
<item name="arramus Fire" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="arramus Fire Round" count="50" prob="0.8"/>
<item name="Dre X3" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="Dre X3 Clucker Round" count="50" prob="0.8"/>
<item name="Black Widow" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>
<item name="ammoRedWidow" count="50" prob="0.8"/>


</append>
</config>


And sorry but i don't understand what you say about brainsaw item. My english is not good

 

[Guest]

It will work. You can choose weaponsGunT1, weaponsGunT2, or weaponsGunT3 for the Game Stage you prefer.

Brainsaw is a new weapon in the mod. It is a chainsaw melee weapon. You can add to the bottom.

<item name="Brainsaw" prob="0.8" quality="1,6"/>

 

[Szynsz]

Ahh ok, now i understand  Tell me last thing, Modded weapons will show in which tab on trader menu?

 

[Guest]

They will show in 2 places; weapons/ammo tab (rarely) and Secret area tab at the end (more often).

 

[Guest]

Here is a small but very important update for the Snufkin Weapons Xpansion Mod.

https://github.com/arramus/Snufkin-Weapons-Xpansion-A19-2021May11

The Vulcan weapon is based on the M60 code and contained elements from A18 which were no longer functional for A19 and caused the server to bring up a warning every time the weapon was fired. And if you have fired the Vulcan before, especially with a magazine extender then you will appreciate that the warning list would be HUGE as it would trigger for each and every round fired.



The following changes to the items.xml for the Vulcan brought it up to A19 standards.

<property name="Particles_muzzle_fire" value="m60_fire"/> has been changed to
<property name="Particles_muzzle_fire" value="gunfire_m60"/>

And

<property name="Particles_muzzle_fire_fpv" value="m60_fire"/> has been changed to

<property name="Particles_muzzle_fire_fpv" value="gunfire_m60_fpv"/>



This result of this change is accepted properties and no more warnings. While this was not causing servers to crash, it does add to server load and is not something Server Admin want to see. Thank you to @Evilspartan and the Tipsy Squatch Gaming Community for recently bringing this to our attention (I'm sure it wasn't the first time) so it could finally be acted on.

 

[smokingpaper]

Nice mod. I did however change the WagonWheel 20% barter bonus down to 10%.
Having it on 20% is bad. Why? If you have 5/5 barter, use all available buffs( cheesecake, sugar butt, the awesome sauce, magnum.) players can get Ammo for free at the trader.

 

[Guest]

Nice mod. I did however change the WagonWheel 20% barter bonus down to 10%.
Having it on 20% is bad. Why? If you have 5/5 barter, use all available buffs( cheesecake, sugar butt, the awesome sauce, magnum.) players can get Ammo for free at the trader.

Correct, and sounds sensible. In some cases and for some items and with some combinations the player gets paid to take things. Changing to 10% sounds like a good update for this mod as well as adding a couple of Localization updates for the Black Widow Ammo which still has its code name displayed. Thank you for testing at 10%.

 

[Guest]

Here is a small update for the Snufkin Weapons Xpansion Mod.

https://github.com/arramus/Snufkin-Weapons-Xpansion-A19-2021May21

The Wagon Wheel Hat Mod has been reduced to +10/-10% for selling and buying to offset the excessive gain potential when buffs are stacked.

In addition, the Black Widow arrows have been localized as it is not always intuitive what they are used for when there are multiple weapon mods running together.

+/-10% applied



Localization

 

[Guest]

Here is another update for all Localization which was long overdue and updates to Thor's Hammer to incorporate the Repulsor Mod and Nerd Tats Buff.

In addition, Localization was added for the Loot Box Machine as well as a few typos and corrections to description.

https://github.com/arramus/Snufkin-Weapons-Xpansion-A19-2021May22

Localization simply provides each weapon with a detailed description. This was based on details taken directly from the Loot Box Machine and new additions based on the Snufkin Xpansion Weapons.

Localization.



Thor's Hammer updates. Primary action with repulsor.





Secondary action with repulsor and tats.