Mortelentus
Refugee
That should be true, but atm you need to whip them a second time... I have that fixed now, and will release a patch later today.
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A16 - STARVATION Mod for A16
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does it take longer now to farm certain plants since the update?
I replanted everything after the update, and wheat is not growing.
Also, can someone explain to me the taming thing?
I whip them, they appear in my inventory, I place them, whip them again, inventory, place them again, and then what?
oh and what about apple trees?
my apple tree looks like it is bearing apples, but I kept hitting it down to 300, and I got zero apple!
Mortelentus
Refugee
16.0.1.03
IMPORTANT NOTE - PUBLIC SERVERS ARE NOT UPDATED YET! WE WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED!
PS - public server files are available though.
PS - this patch had a few tests, but it wasn't extensively debugged. Everyone is a bit busy lately, and our test team is basically me, Xyth and Drengor atm... We may need more people for the test server...
CLIENT / SERVER 16.0.1.03
- winter temperatures are for now defined in a set of buffs, until a better way can be setup. The weather configuration is still valid for everything, but the temperatures for the different winter stages (1-5) need to be modified in the buffs (winter1 to winter5), in order to avoid speed extensive patching - WILL NEED AS MUCH FEEDBACK AS POSSIBLE ON THIS ONE
- dogs should be working better, and eating properly. They shouldn't get stuck so often, but remember to "disown" (issue order 6) your dogs if you want to leave them breeding, since they'll behave better that way without constantly trying to reach you to play or ask for food. That shouldn't be mandatory though, with the new code.
- farm animals and dogs shouldn't need a second taming action now. They should work as usual... If you still have animals returning "tamed=false", you still need to grab them.
IMPORTANT NOTE - PUBLIC SERVERS ARE NOT UPDATED YET! WE WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED!
PS - public server files are available though.
PS - this patch had a few tests, but it wasn't extensively debugged. Everyone is a bit busy lately, and our test team is basically me, Xyth and Drengor atm... We may need more people for the test server...
Good or bad, this will be the LAST update of the week!
and...
PLEASE, READ THE PATCH NOTES
and...
PLEASE, READ THE PATCH NOTES
CLIENT / SERVER 16.0.1.01
Seasonal Weather
- Minor edit to fix Linux xml error
- Added heatmap to insectlights, same as candles
- Quest radape fix
- Tweaks to junk loot
- Lowered objectives from 10 to 8 on stage5 quests. causing UI overflow?
- Introducing yearly weather seasons:
plants have different resistences to snow, and will either die or stop growing if it gets too cold.
- farm animals also have different resistences to snow and cold, and may die if left outdoors (no roof).
- bee hives, rabbits and chickens will stop producing with harsher weather.
- winter also impacts spawning... You'll see what we mean...
- Seasons are configurable through xml file. This may be particularly interesting to server managers:
This file will be automatically created on first launch with default values in <savegamefolder>/Starvation.
- after that you can edit it at will, enabling/disabling weather or creating your own weather season distribution, and restart the game/server.
- You can see a default file example HERE.
[*]For additional info, you can check our Wiki
[*]Fixed survivors dup bug. Needs confirmation. Also, if a player is accessing a container, survivors wont be able to use it.
[*]survivors will eat from either a crafted fridge top or their own inventory.
[*]Fixed farm animals not eating and reproducing. Needs confirmation.
[*]It is now possible to check farm animals state and stats, by focusing and pressing <E>.
- if they return as not tamed, you will need to whip them, pick them up, and put them down again.
[*]Icy Farm Storage Boxes will now downgrade in time.
[*]for chicken coops and rabbit huches, you'll need at least 2 animals for reproducion to happen.
[*]added no ammo mod, orignally designed by Carlzilla and adapted by Xyth. You can now easly unload ammo from weapons (press and hold R)
[*]after some internal talk, we moved Honey receipts out of big oven, and back to Kitchen Table
[*]Bandits weapons headshot drastically reduced
[*]zombie bear pet is fixed
[*]added wellness gain to starvation canned food
I hope you guys have fun and enjoy this changes and, as always, keep us informed of problems, balancing issues or bugs. We'll get to them IF and WHEN possible, without overlooking our own fun!
IMPORTANT NOTE - PUBLIC SERVERS ARE UP!
PS2- Public Server repo is already updated
PS2 - Before applying this patch, you may want to delete animal files (*.anm) that are not used for some time.
Here's a preview of seasonal weahter(early version):
[video=youtube_share;K4ns0xLClRI]
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PurgatoryWolf
Refugee
Our last map we had a big garden at bedrock.
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9 x 9 garden with 1 light shaft in the middle. sometimes stuff in the corners would grow, sometimes not, we'd just put mushrooms in the corners.. We'd place iron bards 6 deep at the top of the shaft surrounded by concrete walls, then every 10 blocks we'd put another iron bars.
If you want it even bigger than 9x9 ...
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ext ext... light shafts arent so bad.
We even made a room above the garden to house the water, we used shower glass over the light holes so the water wouldnt get in the way, and put a rain collector in it, and made an unobstructed rain shoot. so we never had to water the garden. 
PurgatoryWolf
Refugee
Are you waiting for the tree to say 40/40 hit points? Only then will it have fruit, and are you punching it with your barefists? if not you should.
PPanda0421
Refugee
@Morte I'm a little confused by the new changes to the weather system in 16.0.1.03 in the patch notes. I think you'll confused people if you mention 'buffs' and 'winter1 to 'winter5' when none of those keywords are in the 'StarvationWeather.xml' file. Before I updated to .03 I renamed .02's file. Upon entering my world in .03 a new 'StarvationWeather.xml' file was created. I compared 0.02's and 0.03's file and they were exactly the same. I'm assuming that you made changes to other file and/or code changes that we cannot see. I can tell because Season Type 3 in .03 is much milder than Season Type 3 in .02. In .02 during Type 3 weather my temperature kept fluctuating and eventually stayed at 0F which was annoying (and deadly). Anyways, I welcome these new weather changes so far and I think the new weather system is going in the right direction.
As for your patch notes I think I kinda understand what you're trying to say. You're saying the different seasons in the 'StarvationWeather.xml' file should be tested and given feedback. We should particular change settings like the 'TempModifier' for the different season types. Eg. Type 0 = Vanilla, 1 = Rare Rain, 2 = Common Rain, etc
Please confirm my understanding or if it isn't what I'm thinking please clarify.
Thanks.
PPanda0421
Refugee
@archo Make sure your plants have enough water and are not being destroyed due to rodents or insects. Also with these new weather changes, plants will take longer to grow when it's cold. I think at the colder temperatures they disappear. Eg. My small farm which was mature disappeared on me when i was at stage 5 (extremely cold) weather.
For taming. Whip them to 'tame' them. Then place on ground from the toolbelt. Move your cursor over them. Once you see a window to "Press E'" to examine. Press and hold "E". If they are not tamed, repeat the above until they are tamed. If they are tamed then you're all set. Of course they need food/water/enclosure from now on. Warning: Examine their health during 'E' so that they don't die when you whip them.
For apple trees you harvest them by hitting them with an empty fist. You can tell that it's time to harvest by looking at the tree trunks. They're usually very thick. Since you mentioned hitting it down to 300 then you were at the 2nd last stage where the apple tree has 600 hitpoints. Someone mentioned it before but the last stage (fruit stage) has 40/40 hitpoints. Once you've harvest a few fruit trees, you'll recognize the last stage of each fruit tree pretty easily. The last stage of the banana tree is the easiest to figure out.
Mortelentus
Refugee
What i was trying to say is that Starvationweather.xml is still valid, excpet for the temperature modifier. Temperature modifier is now directly tied to season stage (1 to 5). Each individual player / server can still manipulate those ttemperature values by changing the winter buffs in buffs.xml. what i need to know is if temperature is actually more manageable now (it seemed to be way more stable)
I'm glad to know this patch seems to have been an improvment both in terms of weather and animals.
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PPanda0421
Refugee
Wow I was totally off about the winter1 to winter5 values - they do exist but in another file. Thanks for the clarification. You didn't mention anything about a 'buffs.xml' file. You just said buffs and I thought it was some kind of element in the 'StarvationWeather.xml' file. I found 'Buffs.xml' in the '..\Data\Config' folder. When talking about design specifics you have to assume that no ones know about the filename/file structure of Starvation. So any/all information would be helpful.
Sorry if it seems like I'm nagging you. Just giving feedback/tips so that you won't be bombarded with questions like these. If someone has a question about something, it's more than likely that other people will be thinking of the same question.
As for my feedback. Season type 3 (with everything default) is definitely manageable in terms of temperature but I think the snow duration is very short and you get several snowfalls per day. Need more data from others though.
THANK YOU!
I finally figured out the farming stuff, but the husbandry stuff I would have NEVER thought of pressing E and holding it!
This should go in the wiki.
It turns out that the Wheat has some sort of time span it has to pass first before it starts growing.
Water, fertilizer and light was good. Well walled off. But after 2 days, THEN it started growing. Now everything is normal in growths.
It's possibly part of the design?
Edit:
How long do I keep pressing E? a minute? or is it a matter of seconds?
Edit 2:
If the status of the animal is supposed to change from "untouched", my taming isn't happening.
I whiped and placed the same animal 20 times. pressed and held E. Nothing. Stays the same.
They eat, and I can harvest them.
But that's it.
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PPanda0421
Refugee
Seeing the '<E> ...Untouched' text is a good sign. When you press 'E' you'll see text appear at the upper left corner of your screen. It'll show the animals stats next to your name:
Eg.
PPanda421: Animal Stats: Health:50 Food Level:20 Pregnant:False Loyalty:20 Tamed=True
Look at the 'Tamed' value at the end. I usually just press and hold it for a few seconds. I think you can get away with just pressing it once but the animal moves around so much I just hold it. The important part is you must see the '<E> Search animal...' text when the cursor is over the animal before you press 'E'.
Different veggies have different growth stages/times I believe.
Eating means at least one of the animals is tamed.
Edit: Oops. Upper left corner, not upper right.
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Few questions:
1.) I can't seem to target goats with "E"? It doesn't show any tooltip like on cows
2.) Is there a limit on how many chickens and rabbits can exist in Chicken Coup / Rabbit Cage?
I think rabbits never spawn above the number 4 and the chickens only produce eggs and feathers, but they don't seem to multiply?
3.) If I harvest a chicken/rabbit with a knife, do I get more meat/feathers than if I did it with the fireaxe? Obviously, I could test it out, but I do not have the book to craft the knife yet.
1.) I can't seem to target goats with "E"? It doesn't show any tooltip like on cows
2.) Is there a limit on how many chickens and rabbits can exist in Chicken Coup / Rabbit Cage?
I think rabbits never spawn above the number 4 and the chickens only produce eggs and feathers, but they don't seem to multiply?
3.) If I harvest a chicken/rabbit with a knife, do I get more meat/feathers than if I did it with the fireaxe? Obviously, I could test it out, but I do not have the book to craft the knife yet.
Mortelentus
Refugee
1. Goats are actually pets and work like dogs (use the dog collar to find it's stats and "own" it)... Sorry, we just thought it would be funny to have a killer goat
2. yes, right now it's limited to 4. Remember that you can "spawn" a chicken or a rabbit to "harvest" them.
3. yes, just like any other thing, the harvest tool influences the return as far as I know.
PurgatoryWolf
Refugee
I am happy to report that our Farm animals are now displaying the Mouseover, and the yare having babies... Also, Baby goats are magic, and seem to care not for solid blocks. I am finding them inside my base where they don't belong. LoL..
Also, I noticed someone talking about harvesting goats and getting Rotten Meat. If you harvest them as kids, you get regular meat. Not much tho, but it's better than the rotten.
We've entered March on my server yesterday, and I guess it's the rainy season, lol. Also noticed my plants growing slower. So far so good.
Also, I noticed someone talking about harvesting goats and getting Rotten Meat. If you harvest them as kids, you get regular meat. Not much tho, but it's better than the rotten.
We've entered March on my server yesterday, and I guess it's the rainy season, lol. Also noticed my plants growing slower. So far so good.
