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[Dead Smarty]

The gaming industry is imploding right now...because this model "everyone" accepts is failing...no one wants to pay for half finished crap that may or not get finished.

Let's be fair about this: Yes, people want that. Why on earth are they buying alpha or early acces otherwise?

If you don't want that just wait till the reviews and player experiences are out there. And use common sense.
For example, the moment Cyberpunk published the PC specs everyone could expect consoles being in trouble. So I decided not to even think of it anymore before I had a PS5. Even before I finaly got a PS5 all the reviews told me to wait for an official next gen upgrade.

As long as there's no secret about the alpha- or early acces state you can not blame devs for people mixing up INTENTIONS with hard contractual promisses.

 

[thatguybeard]

The gaming industry is imploding right now...because this model "everyone" accepts is failing...no one wants to pay for half finished crap that may or not get finished. it's not just the dei pushback. 

What are you talking about? I’m not seeing the industry imploding. I mean don’t buy half finished crap that may or may not get finished. In my 40 years of gaming I have never bought a game that meets that criteria and I’ve bought a lot of games. However I also do a lot of research before I buy a game to make sure it is one I’ll enjoy. Unless it’s under 5 bucks then I might buy just on genre. All games have had and will have bugs. Well at least I have yet to run into a bug free game.

The only dei pushback I’ve seen, but maybe I’m wrong, is people complaining that all video game characters aren’t cis white males and honestly anyone with that complaint there’s the door don’t let it hit you on the way out. I would also say having that opinion renders all your other thoughts and opinions on the industry/games invalid but that’s just me.

 

[HammerDano]

What are you talking about? I’m not seeing the industry imploding. I mean don’t buy half finished crap that may or may not get finished. In my 40 years of gaming I have never bought a game that meets that criteria and I’ve bought a lot of games. However I also do a lot of research before I buy a game to make sure it is one I’ll enjoy. Unless it’s under 5 bucks then I might buy just on genre. All games have had and will have bugs. Well at least I have yet to run into a bug free game.

The only dei pushback I’ve seen, but maybe I’m wrong, is people complaining that all video game characters aren’t cis white males and honestly anyone with that complaint there’s the door don’t let it hit you on the way out. I would also say having that opinion renders all your other thoughts and opinions on the industry/games invalid but that’s just me.

You are a weasel, I did not take a position on dei, but, to pretend it is not a topic right now would be ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as saying the industry is not imploding. that studio after studio has not had layoffs and closures.

 

[thatguybeard]

You are a weasel, I did not take a position on dei, but, to pretend it is not a topic right now would be ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as saying the industry is not imploding. that studio after studio has not had layoffs and closures.

I didn’t mention what your position was you mentioned dei pushback and I mentioned what I have seen. Didn’t say I saw that from you. Please expand on your position. I just don’t see people pushing back on inclusivity in video games destroying the industry.

I mean yeah studios will come and go start small get big and implode under bad decisions. Happens in all industries doesn’t mean the industry is imploding. New companies like TFP will come in and fill the void. The market has opened up to smaller studios getting their games out easier and some are making good games. Like some big studios make good games and some don’t.

 

[jyd85224]

The only dei pushback I’ve seen, but maybe I’m wrong, is people complaining that all video game characters aren’t cis white males and honestly anyone with that complaint there’s the door don’t let it hit you on the way out. I would also say having that opinion renders all your other thoughts and opinions on the industry/games invalid but that’s just me.

Not sure how this came into the conversation. Your discussion took a bad turn. Everyone should tollorat each other however morally represible you see it. But going to the tolerance museum does not give you high ground when you come out and yell at that smoker for who they are.

 

[thatguybeard]

Not sure how this came into the conversation. Your discussion took a bad turn. Everyone should tollorat each other however morally represible you see it. But going to the tolerance museum does not give you high ground when you come out and yell at that smoker for who they are.

Well I didn’t yell at anyone just gave my opinion on the actions of a subset of people. Hammerdano mentioned dei pushback in the industry and I just mentioned what my experience was plus my opinion of those people. Plus should those responsible for gamergate have just been tolerated? I’m sorry but morally reprehensible behavior should never be tolerated it should be called out and done away with. Smoking only hurts yourself, morally reprehensible behavior can hurt so many others.

Okay after a little thought morally reprehensible behavior can be hard as peoples morals can differ and that’s okay. I’m talking about people being mean to others for no reason. Or thinking people should be treated different or left out or have less rights. That type of morally reprehensible behavior.

 

[jyd85224]

I did not mean to say you yelled at anyone, it was from a South Park episode on tolerance and how those who preach tollorance and acceptance don't always tollorat those they see as morally below them.

My old company sent my team to a diversity conference and the first thing they had us do was separate into groups by the identiys you identify with. Lgbtq+, women, most major religions, every race but one had a table. They then tried to blur the lines however after leaving it, it promoted looking at your differences and continuously think about another's identity and treat them as how they see things.  I thought it was odd how if anything it segregated everyone more by the end of it as you no longer see a person but a identity.

If they would have had a gamer identiy it would have actually been diverse and been a true example of diversity what we should strive for. However it would not have been good for the presenters narrative if we had diversity before they taught us there definition of it.

Seems these days we can't look past identity to see the person.

Zombies don't care about identiys they will eat any brains they can and it's our job to stop them, and occasionally grip about bugs or who has what in there perfered version.

 

[HammerDano]

I didn’t mention what your position was you mentioned dei pushback and I mentioned what I have seen. Didn’t say I saw that from you. Please expand on your position. I just don’t see people pushing back on inclusivity in video games destroying the industry.

I mean yeah studios will come and go start small get big and implode under bad decisions. Happens in all industries doesn’t mean the industry is imploding. New companies like TFP will come in and fill the void. The market has opened up to smaller studios getting their games out easier and some are making good games. Like some big studios make good games and some don’t.

The only reason I even mentioned it AT ALL...was because i expected someone to say that the big kerfluffle in gaming right now IS the ridiculous fight over dei...and not what I am saying...which is that studios big and small are going out of business because of the current state of games. Which is half finished crap...that may or may not get finished. I think you knew that...I think you deliberately sidetracked the conversation BECAUSE you would not or could not address the rest of that post. 

Not sure how this came into the conversation. Your discussion took a bad turn. Everyone should tollorat each other however morally represible you see it. But going to the tolerance museum does not give you high ground when you come out and yell at that smoker for who they are.

Look up a couple of posts...you will see what I wrote...you will see all the things he chose not to address. He engaged in weasel behavior. 

 

[thatguybeard]

The only reason I even mentioned it AT ALL...was because i expected someone to say that the big kerfluffle in gaming right now IS the ridiculous fight over dei...and not what I am saying...which is that studios big and small are going out of business because of the current state of games. Which is half finished crap...that may or may not get finished. I think you knew that...I think you deliberately sidetracked the conversation BECAUSE you would not or could not address the rest of that post. 

Look up a couple of posts...you will see what I wrote...you will see all the things he chose not to address. He engaged in weasel behavior. 

So let me get this straight want to make sure the kids at home are following along. You brought up dei pushback as part of why the industry is imploding so obviously you wanted to talk about it I just obliged. Accusing me of sidetracking the conversation when you brought it up well that’s just poor form.

In my response I mentioned my experience which was people pushing back against diversity in video games and my opinion of said people which I felt was worded as nice as possible. Sorry but people who are against diversity in video games…well I don’t want to get banned so I’ll leave it at that.
 

So if it’s weasel behavior to add my input to something you brought up…just call me Pauly Shore.

 

[meganoth]

Look up a couple of posts...you will see what I wrote...you will see all the things he chose not to address. He engaged in weasel behavior. 

I would say talking about stuff you have something to say about and leaving out any things that you have nothing interesting to say about is quite normal in a conversation, in or out of a forum.

Now please all get back on topic. (this last sentence was spoken in my role as moderator)

 

[HammerDano]

I would say talking about stuff you have something to say about and leaving out any things that you have nothing interesting to say about is quite normal in a conversation, in or out of a forum.

Now please all get back on topic.

You may as well close this thread. There's not a lot of good faith conversation still happening. The reason people only answer what they want is easy: they attack what they perceive is the weakest argument and avoid the strongest parts

 

[PuffDragon]

Guys we don't need the @%$# flag, we can use Canada's instead, bu dum tiss.

 

[meganoth]

As you wish