PC 3 lies

[Laz Man]

Not to be rude, but, we know crossplay is coming...so is the second coming of Christ. at least the church has the sense to NOT lay out a deadline for that happening.

TFP have been saying since before launch that THEY were ready for crossplay and it's MS and Sony that are holding it back...so...they kinda better be ready and able after talking all that noise.

I think it would be fair to say "we" are more concerned with RWG...at least in this thread. The lack of maps is getting to be a problem.

When you say you "see the build progress" do you mean from the outside like the rest of us, or are you privy to things we are not? 

Yes, they added a lot of POI's over the years...that's just pre built asset management to me...not coding. It's the coding for weather/temperature, bandits, and story lines that have not advanced in years. 

I just saw it announced yesterday for the new xbox gamepass ultlimate beta...one of 50 games it will have on launch.

You talking xbox cloud gaming beta?  I think that's not the same thing as playing the game on game pass.

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2024/11/20/stream-your-own-game-xbox-cloud-gaming-beta/

 

[HammerDano]

Never said they were good at communicating, people will definitely agree with you about that, just said they are communicating with us now which is definitely better than no communication.  DEVs have been answering questions they can and responding to issues we’ve brought up. If you don’t see that well I think nothing any one says is going to change your mind.

Yes, they have done some of what they are expected to do, like some optimizations, bug fixes, I don't really feel a need to congratulate someone for doing their basic job. They were the ones who announced rwg and crossplay were coming sooner than later. Nobody forced them to. Since they already opened Pandora's box they don't have the right to hide from the consequences...like paying customers asking WTF. but...they do...and they will continue to.

Why would you think sooner than expected was a throw away line rather than them hoping to get it here sooner than expected? They didn’t need to say anything to buy time as they were still playing with already bought time. As long as RWG comes before the end of Q4 that is sooner than expected. Maybe they had planned to have it out a little bit ago but things happen it’s called life.

I don't know if it was just a throw away line or not...that was not an isolated thought. They did not have to say it was coming...so why did they? ask them I guess.

 you guys just brush off the valid criticisms...don't answer or acknowledge the entire post.

Don’t worry about what PC players think about us waiting for RWG. Also can we really be tired with them overpromising and underdelivering? They haven’t done that to us on console yet. Look I’ll be upset if RWG doesn’t get to us before the end of the year. It’s the only thing missing I want. All the other planned stuff don’t need it. I just don’t want underdilevered RWG. Worse case I got Chernobylite in my library I’ve been itchin to play while I wait.

Should I ignore the thought that someone who has lied to a friend will potentially lie to me as well?  I just think TFP were hard up for cash and released this game to console prematurely, for the cash to hire enough staff to finish it, I guess believing that they could pull it all off in a timely fashion. I think this is another time they are banking on console money to finish the game.

You talking xbox cloud gaming beta?  I think that's not the same thing as playing the game on game pass.

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2024/11/20/stream-your-own-game-xbox-cloud-gaming-beta/

 fair...you are right...it allows people to stream their own game...in more places.

what about the rest of the post?

 

[thatguybeard]

Yes, they have done some of what they are expected to do, like some optimizations, bug fixes, I don't really feel a need to congratulate someone for doing their basic job. They were the ones who announced rwg and crossplay were coming sooner than later. Nobody forced them to. Since they already opened Pandora's box they don't have the right to hide from the consequences...like paying customers asking WTF. but...they do...and they will continue to.

I don't know if it was just a throw away line or not...that was not an isolated thought. They did not have to say it was coming...so why did they? ask them I guess.

 you guys just brush off the valid criticisms...don't answer or acknowledge the entire post.

Should I ignore the thought that someone who has lied to a friend will potentially lie to me as well?  I just think TFP were hard up for cash and released this game to console prematurely, for the cash to hire enough staff to finish it, I guess believing that they could pull it all off in a timely fashion. I think this is another time they are banking on console money to finish the game.

No developer is expected to do anything after release. The good ones do the bad ones don’t. The only thing you can expect is what is stated at time of purchase. Now if things on the roadmap don’t eventually make it into the game I would say you can say they failed your expectations. Or if the pre-release tag goes away and they game turns into a buggy mess yes I would expect them to get it back to the state it was in before bug/optimization wise.

What has TFP lied about? Missing a deadline doesn’t make them liars. Delaying features does not make them a liar. Sooner than expected being different to them than you doesn’t make them a liar. You think console was to get cash it is just as valid for me to say that people wanted it released on console and the game was finally in a state where they didn’t think updates would break saves. They wanted to bring the fun back to console as soon as they could and for that I say thank you.

 

[HammerDano]

No developer is expected to do anything after release. The good ones do the bad ones don’t. The only thing you can expect is what is stated at time of purchase. Now if things on the roadmap don’t eventually make it into the game I would say you can say they failed your expectations. Or if the pre-release tag goes away and they game turns into a buggy mess yes I would expect them to get it back to the state it was in before bug/optimization wise.

What has TFP lied about? Missing a deadline doesn’t make them liars. Delaying features does not make them a liar. Sooner than expected being different to them than you doesn’t make them a liar. You think console was to get cash it is just as valid for me to say that people wanted it released on console and the game was finally in a state where they didn’t think updates would break saves. They wanted to bring the fun back to console as soon as they could and for that I say thank you.

Since I have been guilty of hyperbole I won't be hard on you for saying it that way...I got the gist...developers are responsible for what they promise...but, are rarely held to actual account. 

We disagree that missing deadlines doesn't make them liars. I think if you say you will do something... and then don't...it is a lie. Not bothering to communicate anything about the why is just insult to injury to me. Avoiding responsibility or accountability.

I think letting PC gamers spend years squabbling about jars when you are "dumbing" down the game to make it fit on console is a form of lying. 

I might be too hard on them and you guys might be a scootch too lenient. time will tell.

I could also be wrong about this, but, since I think they are @%$# poor at communicating, I don't think they care about what any gamer thinks. That's why I don't trust why the game was re-released to console missing sooo much...for console. Not having RWG is a BFD. tying the traders to specific biomes was already a limitation I did not like about the new rwg, but, not a deal breaker. Only having a handful of maps forever is.

So yeah, I do think they borrowed from Peter to pay Paul...again. It will be hard to convince me otherwise, even if it works, it was still slimey.

The things I think were more egregious lies are farther in the past...and best left there. 

 

[thatguybeard]

Since I have been guilty of hyperbole I won't be hard on you for saying it that way...I got the gist...developers are responsible for what they promise...but, are rarely held to actual account. 

We disagree that missing deadlines doesn't make them liars. I think if you say you will do something... and then don't...it is a lie. Not bothering to communicate anything about the why is just insult to injury to me. Avoiding responsibility or accountability.

I think letting PC gamers spend years squabbling about jars when you are "dumbing" down the game to make it fit on console is a form of lying. 

I might be too hard on them and you guys might be a scootch too lenient. time will tell.

I could also be wrong about this, but, since I think they are @%$# poor at communicating, I don't think they care about what any gamer thinks. That's why I don't trust why the game was re-released to console missing sooo much...for console. Not having RWG is a BFD. tying the traders to specific biomes was already a limitation I did not like about the new rwg, but, not a deal breaker. Only having a handful of maps forever is.

So yeah, I do think they borrowed from Peter to pay Paul...again. It will be hard to convince me otherwise, even if it works, it was still slimey.

The things I think were more egregious lies are farther in the past...and best left there. 

No lies have intent lies are meant to deceive. Unless you can prove otherwise they haven’t set a deadline with the intention to miss it they never set a deadline to deceive us. Shoot the one deadline they set for console they met, released on time. Pretty good so far.

I hate to break it to you but developers rarely promise anything. We gamers like to hear promises but it usually comes down to excitement leading to poor reading comprehension.

Missing so much that’s just like your opinion dude. To me it has everything it needs and I like Oops All Side Quests. Yeah I really want RWG but let’s say that doesn’t happen. Just passed 400 days on 1st map. Most games just have 1 map. Most games with multiple maps are smaller than these. Well procedural generation games being an exception.

Don’t remember any egregious lies from the past and I’ve been here since the first console release. I’m going say those probably weren’t lies just like the missing deadlines isn’t.

 

[Roland]

I could also be wrong about this...

If you do end up being wrong, will you admit that you lied...?

 

[HammerDano]

If you do end up being wrong, will you admit that you lied...?

I will admit to being wrong about it. You are using a poor example...there is no lie in my speculation. 

 

[thatguybeard]

I don't know if it was just a throw away line or not...that was not an isolated thought. They did not have to say it was coming...so why did they? ask them I guess.

 you guys just brush off the valid criticisms...don't answer or acknowledge the entire post.

Yeah I’ll usually answer the parts of the post I feel like answering. Still waiting to hear a valid criticism is this thread. You started off by titling it 3 lies but I have yet to see you point out an actual lie.

 

[Roland]

I will admit to being wrong about it. You are using a poor example...there is no lie in my speculation. 

It's not a poor example. It is exactly the same thing. There is no question about their promise to bring crossplay and RWG maps to console. They have already put significant resources into doing it so they do intend to make good on it and you know it. What you are disappointed about is the timeline. But the timeline was just their speculation on when it could be done. Since, by your own admission, there can be no lie to speculation, there can be no lie to their speculation about the timing.

Anyone who believes that a delivery date for software development is a promise and not a speculation is naive. They are still working hard to get the next update out before the end of the year but if they end up being wrong about their speculation and have to put out a revised estimate, they will. 

At least you don't hold yourself to such a bizarre and unyielding definition of telling a lie. Maybe loosen up a bit on the rest of us?

 

[HammerDano]

It's not a poor example. It is exactly the same thing. There is no question about their promise to bring crossplay and RWG maps to console. They have already put significant resources into doing it so they do intend to make good on it and you know it. What you are disappointed about is the timeline. But the timeline was just their speculation on when it could be done. Since, by your own admission, there can be no lie to speculation, there can be no lie to their speculation about the timing.

Anyone who believes that a delivery date for software development is a promise and not a speculation is naive. They are still working hard to get the next update out before the end of the year but if they end up being wrong about their speculation and have to put out a revised estimate, they will. 

At least you don't hold yourself to such a bizarre and unyielding definition of telling a lie. Maybe loosen up a bit on the rest of us?

 No Roland, you used a poor example. A better one would be I got 7 dtd on the new game pass ultimate beta wrong...it is for streaming game play. Not a traditional game pass that let's you play it. see I can admit I was wrong. So my title is a lie,  only two out of three still qualify as lies in my book. I could quibble and say TFP claimed it would not be on game pass at all, but, that would just be semantics. 

They were under no obligation to announce that RWG and crossplay were coming "sooner than we think".  What does that phrase mean to you? to me it meant an appreciable amount of time sooner than Dec 31. But, seriously, what does it mean to you? 

I don't believe that you regularly let people and companies break delivery dates or services dates with you and you don't have questions or get upset. That you write off that time you waited as speculation. I believe you are happy to let TFP have any and every break, but, not everybody. I am not the only person who could use a little perspective I guess.

 

[bdubyah]

You do realize that every change they have made since 2019 was to get the game back on console. They ignored you guys yelling about jars...and unwanted progression changes...their little side battles with content creators over "exploits"were just distractions...because there was no market left on PC...anyone that wanted it already had it...at a discount. So this was about getting console money. It was TFP who should have waited to re-release to console. Sorry if you disagree but, why would I not want my version to be feature complete BEFORE it launched? or at least MORE complete than we got?

What brings you to this conclusion? Why would TFP be working on console stuff when they hired a studio to do it for them? They've stated repeatedly that they are PC developers. You just seem jaded and looking for something to be mad about. Gonna need to start seeing more links to back up your crap claims and else I'm gonna just assume you're another salty console user who has nothing better to do than complain.

Saying TFP should have waited to release this version on consoles is hilarious to see from a console user when every single post TFP have made over the last several years has been blasted by console users screaming for a new console update. So you would rather them have waited till the current roadmap was completely done before releasing the new console version? Why? Also, you keep crying about RWG saying you're running out of maps, but one, how have you explored every bit of all the pregens included in 1.0 already? And two, I hate to break it to you, but RWG isn't the most random anymore in 1.0. So most maps don't feel that different, and since the ones you currently have were created using the exact same RWG, you might be a bit disappointed when you do have it finally.

People complain when they give dates, complain if they don't make them, complain when they try and release features ahead of the original update, complain because it doesn't meet their expectations that they dreamed up in their mind of when something would release. So you're mad that they haven't released RWG when you thought it should be, but yet you say TFP shouldn't have released the console version at all yet. Which is it? Just sounds like someone who wants to complain.

 

[Roland]

No Roland, you used a poor example. A better one would be I got 7 dtd on the new game pass ultimate beta wrong...it is for streaming game play. Not a traditional game pass that let's you play it. see I can admit I was wrong. So my title is a lie,  only two out of three still qualify as lies in my book. I could quibble and say TFP claimed it would not be on game pass at all, but, that would just be semantics.

Wow. Your definition of what constitutes lying is so unique. We are arguing from completely different paradigms it seems. At least your thought process is well revealed by this thread which gives better context to any reader. Yeesh...

They were under no obligation to announce that RWG and crossplay were coming "sooner than we think".  What does that phrase mean to you? to me it meant an appreciable amount of time sooner than Dec 31. But, seriously, what does it mean to you? 

I definitely wouldn't take it literally that TFP should or would have any knowledge about what I personally think in my mind means sooner than I could expect. I would surmise that they were using an idiomatic phrase meant to build excitement and say "soon" in a

more hype-building manner. I also wouldn't take such a phrase as some sort of promise that the timeline would happen before Thanksgiving with no possibility of delays.

They had crossplay figured out at the 1.0 launch and have simply been optimizing. RWG maps go along with crossplay else how could an xbox connect to a server that had a randomly generated map? It's all connected and ready pending Sony and Microsoft approvals. @Laz Man just confirmed that they are ready to go as soon as they are able.

Yes, the "sooner than you think" comment would have been a perfect prediction if the 1.2 update with crossplay and RWG worlds had dropped in October or November, but that doesn't rise to the level of lying in any universe except Bizzaro World.

I don't believe that you regularly let people and companies break delivery dates or services dates with you and you don't have questions or get upset. That you write off that time you waited as speculation. I believe you are happy to let TFP have any and every break, but, not everybody. I am not the only person who could use a little perspective I guess.

It depends. If I make a reservation at a restaurant and when I arrive at my appointed time the table isn't ready for me then I would have questions and be upset. If I ordered something online and the tracking information had it set to arrive on Friday but Friday passes with no package, then you bet I am worrying and trying to figure out where my package might be. If one of my students arranges to meet me one day after school to go over their test and then they don't show up and I waited around for them, they are for sure going to need to explain themselves.

What I don't do is equate such things to software development because I'm not naive about this industry. I realize that a software update schedule is not the same thing as a bus schedule and that if I open up Steam on December 31 and there is no 1.2 update queued for 7 Days to Die that it isn't the same thing as showing up at the bookstore to pick up the book I reserved only to find out that they sold out and let my reserved copy go.

Software development most of the time involves delays and most people understand that. The only weird thing surrounding this entire situation is you somehow thinking there is intent to deceive involved.

At any rate, I feel bad that you believe you were lied to in 2 out of 3 ways. It doesn't change the fact that the update will come when it comes and TFP has always been a company willing to blow through a target date in favor of spending more time to get things right.

 

[HammerDano]

What brings you to this conclusion? Why would TFP be working on console stuff when they hired a studio to do it for them? They've stated repeatedly that they are PC developers. You just seem jaded and looking for something to be mad about. Gonna need to start seeing more links to back up your crap claims and else I'm gonna just assume you're another salty console user who has nothing better to do than complain.

LOL...that was your opinion before I said anything. 

Saying TFP should have waited to release this version on consoles is hilarious to see from a console user when every single post TFP have made over the last several years has been blasted by console users screaming for a new console update. So you would rather them have waited till the current roadmap was completely done before releasing the new console version? Why? Also, you keep crying about RWG saying you're running out of maps, but one, how have you explored every bit of all the pregens included in 1.0 already? And two, I hate to break it to you, but RWG isn't the most random anymore in 1.0. So most maps don't feel that different, and since the ones you currently have were created using the exact same RWG, you might be a bit disappointed when you do have it finally.

wow...you accidentally managed to give them a honest criticism...RWG is not as random as it was. I agree, tying traders to specific biomes, and the limited amount of biome layouts possible, does limit the randomness.  So, I will give them a compliment and say that the new procedurely drawn terrain is much better than the old. Cities and towns "feel" like they are laid out well. 

I like how, in your opinion, I am not out of maps... I just have not "used" them properly. Once I have played a map I know where I need to go. I personally can't pretend I don't know i am on the same map...that I don't know where to go...I like the challenge of not knowing. Is that invalid? Isn't that the same thing you get with every new playthrough?

Yes, the console version should have been more feature complete before they relaunched. They were under no more duress to relaunch than they were to announce "sooner than you think"...none. 

People complain when they give dates, complain if they don't make them, complain when they try and release features ahead of the original update, complain because it doesn't meet their expectations that they dreamed up in their mind of when something would release. So you're mad that they haven't released RWG when you thought it should be, but yet you say TFP shouldn't have released the console version at all yet. Which is it? Just sounds like someone who wants to complain.

Bud, simply put, they wouldn't get much blowback IF they could meet the deadlines THEY set. They'd also get less blowback IF they would accept responsibility, make a simple social media statement when they can't meet their SELF IMPOSED deadlines. not hard concepts.

Maybe reflect just a little on all the things I wrote that you would not comment on.

 

[bdubyah]

Bud, simply put, they wouldn't get much blowback IF they could meet the deadlines THEY set. They'd also get less blowback IF they would accept responsibility, make a simple social media statement when they can't meet their SELF IMPOSED deadlines. not hard concepts.

I hate to tell you, but "sooner than you think" isn't a deadline, no matter how much you wanna make it one. So why would they apologize for not meeting a deadline they never made to begin with?

 

[jyd85224]

Hammer and the bearded guy, thanks for the civil discussion can see your both passionate gamers having a good conversation 

To those who keep saying things like just another salty console gamer and it's coming from a PC elite who only come here to bash the gamer and be a fan boy of a product WE DO NOT GET TO PLAY you don't add anything useful

Ir random maps and cross play are ready as some are saying and have been saying for a while then it should be released as certification only takes 2 to 4 weeks devs said pre release it's about ready then they say sooner 30 days left hard to be sooner any more

Playing in my single player world of a big 4k last night as out of maps bigger, clicked on mission start, yet the icon is still blinking to start now I can't open or interact with anything, restarted and I failed the mission... annoying but can do no wrong believers would just say it's my junkys consoles fault...

I can wait till end of year before calling anyone a lier, however if I find out they diverted resources and man power to get on some beta that provieds more cash and esposure for devs and it could have been used to make my already purchased game function better and have some of the PC fetures like random maps or stability then I will be very salty and fit your stereotype 

Fun pimps were not blameless in how the old version happened they were paid. Yes they were not in control when we stopped getting updates but from 2017 to 2024 the game was still sold and someone got that cash. Coca-Cola is not bottled by themselves but independent bottlers, yet if you get a coke with a roach in it who do you blame? 

 

[HammerDano]

Wow. Your definition of what constitutes lying is so unique. We are arguing from completely different paradigms it seems. At least your thought process is well revealed by this thread which gives better context to any reader. Yeesh...

Really? It might be a little more black and white than you are used to seeing, but, surely not unique.

I definitely wouldn't take it literally that TFP should or would have any knowledge about what I personally think in my mind means sooner than I could expect. I would surmise that they were using an idiomatic phrase meant to build excitement and say "soon" in a

more hype-building manner. I also wouldn't take such a phrase as some sort of promise that the timeline would happen before Thanksgiving with no possibility of delays.

So...are TFP so full of BS nothing they say should be taken as being anything but BS?

there is no value to be assigned to their words...they are just meant to pump up excitement?

I'll admit, I was hoping you would have just given a straight forward answer to a straight forward question. what does "sooner than you think" mean to YOU Roland?

They had crossplay figured out at the 1.0 launch and have simply been optimizing. RWG maps go along with crossplay else how could an xbox connect to a server that had a randomly generated map? It's all connected and ready pending Sony and Microsoft approvals. @Laz Man just confirmed that they are ready to go as soon as they are able.

sure...I suppose it falls on deaf ears here, but, I will point out: simply saying that "you can do crossplay" is on the surface a factual statement. I am sure they "could". AT DEPTH it is not true. MS and Sony like MONEY...so anything that helps it flow it fine by them...but as the game developer, you have to prove that nothing on your end will interfere with a service provided by the platform on your behalf ie crossplay.   Because they take due diligence seriously.

Yes, the "sooner than you think" comment would have been a perfect prediction if the 1.2 update with crossplay and RWG worlds had dropped in October or November, but that doesn't rise to the level of lying in any universe except Bizzaro World.

ffs...accept that they royally screw the pooch from time to time. You'll argue til your blue in the face that software developement is hard and things can take longer than expected, but, can't accept that when you are wrong you should own up to it. or is that just me being "unique"? There are times when they should own up and they don't...the end. (if they did...public relations would improve)

It depends. If I make a reservation at a restaurant and when I arrive at my appointed time the table isn't ready for me then I would have questions and be upset. If I ordered something online and the tracking information had it set to arrive on Friday but Friday passes with no package, then you bet I am worrying and trying to figure out where my package might be. If one of my students arranges to meet me one day after school to go over their test and then they don't show up and I waited around for them, they are for sure going to need to explain themselves.

so, somewhere in that paragraph... TFP should take some responsibility for their own actions? or am I getting that wrong?

What I don't do is equate such things to software development because I'm not naive about this industry. I realize that a software update schedule is not the same thing as a bus schedule and that if I open up Steam on December 31 and there is no 1.2 update queued for 7 Days to Die that it isn't the same thing as showing up at the bookstore to pick up the book I reserved only to find out that they sold out and let my reserved copy go.

lol...so they set a schedule and you'll get mad at me for expecting them to keep it? 

that's some special thinking there

Software development most of the time involves delays and most people understand that. The only weird thing surrounding this entire situation is you somehow thinking there is intent to deceive involved.

a clever twisting of words...**golf clap. 

It doesn't change the fact that the update will come when it comes and TFP has always been a company willing to blow through a target date in favor of spending more time to get things right.

What would you use as an example of that statement? what do you think they delayed to "get right"?  

 

[bdubyah]

WE DO NOT GET TO PLAY

You can't play the game? Why not?

Ir random maps and cross play are ready as some are saying and have been saying for a while then it should be released as certification only takes 2 to 4 weeks devs said pre release it's about ready then they say sooner 30 days left hard to be sooner any more

Unless they change up for this update, there hasn't even been an EXP build for 1.2 on PC yet, so it isn't there yet. Though I figure they may do a console only update to get you guys at least RWG, though I would think all platforms might need an update for crossplay.

Playing in my single player world of a big 4k last night as out of maps bigger, clicked on mission start, yet the icon is still blinking to start now I can't open or interact with anything, restarted and I failed the mission... annoying but can do no wrong believers would just say it's my junkys consoles fault...

Yeah, game still has bugs. You guys wanted what PC has, right? There ya go. Lol.

I can wait till end of year before calling anyone a lier, however if I find out they diverted resources and man power to get on some beta that provieds more cash and esposure for devs and it could have been used to make my already purchased game function better and have some of the PC fetures like random maps or stability then I will be very salty and fit your stereotype

This right here is what gets you guys most of the hate. You always immediately go to conspiracy theories about why things take longer than you think they should. Again, TFP isn't the main dev for your version. They just provide support when needed from what they have posted here. Bloodmoons is developed by yet another entirely different dev, so what "beta" are you talking about? Stop dribbling ignorant stuff like this and maybe people will take you seriously.

Fun pimps were not blameless in how the old version happened they were paid. Yes they were not in control when we stopped getting updates but from 2017 to 2024 the game was still sold and someone got that cash. Coca-Cola is not bottled by themselves but independent bottlers, yet if you get a coke with a roach in it who do you blame?

Not really a great comparison. TFP sold the rights to TellTale, so they literally couldn't touch it for how ever many years it took for the rights to go up for sale and TFP buying them back. Think about things before typing.

 

[HammerDano]

Unless they change up for this update, there hasn't even been an EXP build for 1.2 on PC yet, so it isn't there yet. Though I figure they may do a console only update to get you guys at least RWG, though I would think all platforms might need an update for crossplay.

this conversation we are having...is about the stand alone update for console rwg and crossplay...you are probably right everyone would need a patch for crossplay.

Yeah, game still has bugs. You guys wanted what PC has, right? There ya go. Lol.

Thank you...not the first time I have heard that sentiment...time to take it closer to heart I think. 

I have pointed out before that PC and console have a different perspective when it pertains to game developement. We don't care how it got made...we just expect it to have the features it says it does...that the "bugs" were worked out pre launch. I don't want to wait for ford to build the rest of my car two years after I bought it.

 Is it as simple as : PC get used hard by developers all the time...so much you have given up, accept their behavior as being "how it is" and everyone should just bend over and take it too?

because that is what has happened to the industry...I don't accept it...you don't have to either.

This right here is what gets you guys most of the hate. You always immediately go to conspiracy theories about why things take longer than you think they should. Again, TFP isn't the main dev for your version. They just provide support when needed from what they have posted here. Bloodmoons is developed by yet another entirely different dev, so what "beta" are you talking about? Stop dribbling ignorant stuff like this and maybe people will take you seriously.

You have a super inflated opinion of TFP...other people don't. There is a lot of valid speculation around how TFP handled the first version. TFP did delete entire forums...did shut off public comments. That does EARN YOU SOME DISTRUST. Gee if only they were open. honest and moderately transparent with the fan base when they mess up.

Not really a great comparison. TFP sold the rights to TellTale, so they literally couldn't touch it for how ever many years it took for the rights to go up for sale and TFP buying them back. Think about things before typing.

Did they SELL the game to TellTale or not? words do matter. If they SOLD the rights to console to Telltale...well then it would no longer be weird to wonder if TFP only cared about the PC version. that we were just a means to an end for TFP...they needed money to work on the PC version...so they sold us outright. Telltales version probably would have been more walking dead themed and different from PC. but...telltale went under...and TFP got a second chance.

I do believe they want the console money...I do believe they know how much money they lost out on. I do believe that since 2019 they have been making wildly unpopular changes to the former PC version just to get the game back on console.

 

[jyd85224]

You can't play the game? Why not?

I can't spawn zombies in creative or fly but you can, sure game is mostly the same you have except for some things that add replay value. Would love to play the fallout mod or bag despwan time increase like you have 

Unless they change up for this update, there hasn't even been an EXP build for 1.2 on PC yet, so it isn't there yet. Though I figure they may do a console only update to get you guys at least RWG, though I would think all platforms might need an update for crossplay.

If anything the fact you don't have a update shows it likely won't launch for us till post q4

Yeah, game still has bugs. You guys wanted what PC has, right? There ya go. Lol.

As I said in another post pre launch to fun pimps do not launch on consoles till ready, however consperacys say they needed cash to keep making it...

This right here is what gets you guys most of the hate. You always immediately go to conspiracy theories about why things take longer than you think they should.

Fun pimps say quarter 4, 30 days to go for it to be fact

Again, TFP isn't the main dev for your version. They just provide support when needed from what they have posted here. Bloodmoons is developed by yet another entirely different dev, so what "beta" are you talking about? Stop dribbling ignorant stuff like this and maybe people will take you seriously.

Stop being a PC elite defending a game YOU DO NOT PLAY.

If press gets the scoop of a contaminated beverage named Coke the headline is not CCSWB sold a contaminated beverage, it's "what's in your coke". Even though CCSWB does not make it where I buy it.

Not really a great comparison. TFP sold the rights to TellTale, so they literally couldn't touch it for how ever many years it took for the rights to go up for sale and TFP buying them back. Think about things before typing.

Singing a contract that gives away all rights is dumb if you truly care about your creation. If too much bad press or sales Coke would take back the territory as they are protecting the product and it's in the contract. I would say fun pimps should have had better lawyers 

 

[bdubyah]

I can't spawn zombies in creative or fly but you can, sure game is mostly the same you have except for some things that add replay value. Would love to play the fallout mod or bag despwan time increase like you have

So you can play the game? Then why did you say you couldn't? Console has been mentioned in another thread here, don't quote me but I think that's a Sony/MS thing were it can't be accessible. They would likely need to make a new creative menu system or just have toggles at the main menu to turn it on, instead of using the console.

Anything other than serverside xml mods will likely not happen for console. The game struggles enough on them as it is, you throw a big mod on top of that and it will likely be unplayable.

If anything the fact you don't have a update shows it likely won't launch for us till post q4

Maybe, maybe not. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a console only update that comes out separate than PC's next update.

As I said in another post pre launch to fun pimps do not launch on consoles till ready, however consperacys say they needed cash to keep making it...

And as I said, bugs like that still exist on PC too so it's not like console is just worse than the current PC version. Unless they've been blowing money on stuff we don't know about I can't see TFP being strapped for cash. They claim over 18 million copies sold, so even at an average of $10 a copy, you do the math. As you say, conspiracies. I say ignorant conspiracies. Which again, paints you guys in a bad light.

Fun pimps say quarter 4, 30 days to go for it to be fact

For what to be a fact? Your conspiracy theory that they are diverting manpower to other games or betas or whatever nonsense you are talking about? Do you understand how absolutely dumb that sounds? Anyone who has been around knows they usually go past their set dates. If that upsets you, then so be it. But is isn't a reason to slap your tinfoil hat on and make yourself look silly.

Stop being a PC elite defending a game YOU DO NOT PLAY.

If press gets the scoop of a contaminated beverage named Coke the headline is not CCSWB sold a contaminated beverage, it's "what's in your coke". Even though CCSWB does not make it where I buy it.

Way to not address what I stated and just spew more garbage. Bravo.

Singing a contract that gives away all rights is dumb if you truly care about your creation. If too much bad press or sales Coke would take back the territory as they are protecting the product and it's in the contract. I would say fun pimps should have had better lawyers

Rights to the console version. Companies like TellTale buy those rights. It isn't a rental. They own them. And enough with the silly Coke nonsense. It doesn't work, so stop trying to make it work.