HammerDano
Hunter
Just remembered this...back on Dec 30th @madmole said this:
be great if they followed up on that stuff
The missed post from woodle
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Roland
Community Moderator
I don’t believe any footage of bandits or any mod using the bandit models has utilized the AI behavior Faatal has planned. But even so…I agree that there will always be folks who are disappointed in the gap between their expectations and reality. Faatal could possibly make a breakthrough and bring better behaving NPCs than any game before and in a short while the patterns and flaws would become evident and exploitable.
Their only stated goal is to have enemies that are better than simply zombies with guns and I think that will be achievable. Anyone who expects miracles beyond that is setting themselves up for disappointment.
Yeah, that one is particularly stupid. TFP could do that now without any physical bandit models in the game—just randomly destroy part of your base and delete some items in your chest while you are logged off or away. But, I really doubt that will ever be a thing. TFP would want the confrontation to happen so if bandits attacking your base even turns out to be in the plan, it would almost certainly only happen when you are there to defend.
It’s not like TFP is trying to simulate the most common tactic on PVP servers….
HammerDano
Hunter
Forgive me, but, I think that the farthest I could stretch that would be: It's like someone dropped a $20 with their name written on it.
It's way different than dropping your wallet...You can steal my whole Identity with the info in my wallet. TFP didn't lose any info.
Sorry if I am being too literal.
I do agree that it is like TFP dropped a $20...and it did have their deets on it...but, they ended up getting $100 because of all the people who saw the drama about the $20. So are they really out anything? at all?
Even if it all was a big mistake...just an accident...I think the smart move would be to just let this one go as fast as possible...they'll lose that good free PR they gained for nothing, by doing something petty to "punish" the "■■■■ storm" guy.
Dark Sun
Survivor
Regardless of the Woodle's intentions, he does have somewhat of a 4D chess advantage here I reckon. Strike down the ban hammer, and any momentum of goodwill they have going for them now will be gone. They'll be right back to where they used to be. I have a feeling that BI don't have them off the leash, anyway. It may not be up to them, and given the potential bad PR, it's best for BI/TFP to just let this one go and be especially careful on sending codes in the future.
HammerDano
Hunter
I'd like to see the back and forth communication...something must have happened behind the scenes, or, this starts to seem more like a coordinated play between both parties for hype...Woodle put out a force field video today. He showed that TFP have given zombies some unexpected "super powers". like the ability to jump a 4 block gap...or to stack 3 high. I still have not watched his vid about Bandits everyone is talking about...he was one of the guys I stopped watching because they didn't speak out (before the relaunch announcement). lol
JustBrowsing
Refugee
Agreed. And... you are not being too literal i see your point about the identity. That said, my use of the comparison was to suggest the futility of being mad at someone else if you drop your own wallet in a crowded space and forget it. On second look, yours was more directly attributable to the discussion. Well put.
JustBrowsing
Refugee
Nemesis AI in Shadow of Mordor took 3 years and that was 12 years ago, before AI tools could help fill the logic branching. It hasn't been done much better than that since then. Hopefully we don't get zombies with guns firing in our general direction and instead get Nemesis style bandits that learn from our techniques and develop specific offensive and defensive styles to counter and adopt ai assisted dialog specific to our gameplay environment interaction. Yeah, there's the ticket. One can hope.
Max Headroom
Refugee
All this kvetching aside ... I was impressed with the bandit behavior shown so far. Looked like a good start. Bandits acting as a team would be a great addition.
And the chicken was hilarious. If you shake the chicken do you get scrambled eggs?
And the chicken was hilarious. If you shake the chicken do you get scrambled eggs?
That's white knight/corporate shill talk. He did no damage showing this, and just because someone asks you to do something doesn't mean you are out of line if you don't do it. Either way, if you or anyone else thinks there was any harm done because TFP slipped up and included it, or a YouTuber showed it, you are disingenuous. The only damage that could be done at this point is if TFP/BI continue going after Jawoodle.
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The most common tactic on PvP servers is using TFP's bad code to exploit, dupe, and use graphics glitches.
Obviously TFP is not too happy about it, or they wouldn't have asked him repeatedly.
If you think there is no harm, then let me ask you: Why is Apple guarding its new iphones and other gadgets so much before they are able to reveal them themselves? Even prosecuting whoever leaks it and people who publish it. Maybe for the same reason.
Max Headroom
Refugee
You guys are unstoppable.
theFlu
Hunter
To sell pure hype for the cultists... I'd hope it's not the same reason here
There's levels to no harm... what was shown "They're coming, they can take cover and try to maintain a distance. The only model shown seems to be (intentionally) ugly human." Most of that was known from previous statements and/or pretty easily derived from there. The only thing that was spoiled was the exact look of that model (wouldn't be surprised if it was mainly a draft character anyway, or might get retouched after the spoilage.)
Maybe Some harm, but I'd say it generated some extra interest, maybe even some trust. A hard to measure draw.
HammerDano
Hunter
comparing THIS to Apple IP?
THEY SENT OUT THE DOWNLOAD...to a guy known for digging thru the code.
It just happened that he got the version that had Bells that go Bong? he's been wanting THAT for a dogs age. plus it showed there is at least ONE new sound event.
He showed the world that Bandits do exist...and people gave their feedback...and TFP didn't get shredded for it.
What do you think should happen? since you seem to believe some harm has been done.
It's a losing proposition for TFP/BI because if they pursue it, it shines a light on their own incompetence for sending it out. It's one of those situations where you accept the fact that you slipped up and own it. Otherwise you become the bad guy.
permadeathpayday
Refugee
Yeah, it was too much to ask for Jawoodle to be a decent human being and take down the video. Based on the jawoodle reactions, I'm sure he wont be losing too much of his following
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HammerDano
Hunter
If TFP/BHVR want another ■■■■ storm they should definitely listen to you. (imo)
no one in this thread has read the back and forth between all parties involved...we are all just going on what is publicly known...and our own takes on it.
there's a wide range of people, both supporters and non supporters, saying the same thing...let it go. I am saying THAT because there is no chance that all of us are going to be made privy to what happened and what was said between them. So based on just the surface information...there's no chance punishing Woodle will generate good will towards the company.
this doesn't seem terribly complicated
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BFT2020
Hunter
Everyone makes mistakes. It is how you respond to the mistake is the important part.
TFP gave the streamers access to a build that they didn't want to them to see yet. They quickly reached out to the streamers and requested that they update their game clients to the correct build. Most streamers complied. Some did not. And at least one posted a video going over those features that were still in development.
TFP then requested that the content creator edit their video to take out those features.
That is a good example of someone or a company responding postively to a mistake.
He had the opportunity to work with TFP on this issue. He chose the route he wanted to do instead. That is his choice and his way of working with TFP on this matter. What TFP does is up to them. They can ignore it or decide that since he was not willing to work with them on material that clearly was not intended to be shown at this time, he does not get to benefit from the next streamer weekend. That does not make TFP the bad guys, it demonstrates that our actions have consequences.
pApA^LeGBa
Hunter
Greed is a ■■■■■. It´s one of his top viewed videos maybe even the top one, can´t be bothered to check tbh.
If i were responsible at TFP i would just silently remove him from the program shortly before the next release and not right now with a ■■■■ storm happening afterwards. There will probably still be one but not as intense as if they would do it right now.
It´s one thing to get a wrong version and release a video, that´s a TFP mistake. It´s whole other thing to refuse to take it down, that´s just the greed speaking and it should have consequences.
If i were responsible at TFP i would just silently remove him from the program shortly before the next release and not right now with a ■■■■ storm happening afterwards. There will probably still be one but not as intense as if they would do it right now.
It´s one thing to get a wrong version and release a video, that´s a TFP mistake. It´s whole other thing to refuse to take it down, that´s just the greed speaking and it should have consequences.
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Dark Sun
Survivor
Unfortunately, as others have stated, Woodle has the high ground here, regardless of his intentions. Removal of his involvement with future projects would absolutely result in backlash and many steps being retracted, even if the outburst is short and sweet (or to be more accurate, bitter). While I am not disagreeing with your perspective, it might be best for TFP/BI to pretend it never happened while ensuring such a situation never transpires again. If there are any future projects (such as a streamer highlighting TFP for some free advertising outside of streamer weekend), perhaps they could simply not include him and nobody would think anything of it, but otherwise...
theFlu
Hunter
Based on view count, #30 for him, 110k views. His 3.0 series has 25k episode to episode, and his first 3.0 block exploit test got 58k .. his top 9 are over 250k. So, doing well, but not really even viral.