PC V3.0 Sandbox Siege Dev Diary

FINSTREAM said:
12500 game hours behind me, when 3.0 is released as stable, my game hours will increase by 1000-10000
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Definitely will do. Oh, that`s till next one you know, right ;)

Many of us might miss early alpha`s stuff, but in some way it could be back with the new presets and options, which I hope bring many of others back.
 
I've been experimenting with the settings to create a custom set that comes as close as possible to the arcade feeling of classic horde mode. I'll share the code (after experimental drops) for anyone who wants to try it and then alter the settings if they have additional ideas to see if many minds can crack the puzzle better than I've been doing on my own. I think one of the fun new threads of the forum will be collaborations of people sharing codes and then others tweaking them and sharing back, and so on. I think we will eventually get a good library of option sets. It is a lot of fun to create a custom set of options as an initial base and then modifying it in different ways to see how gameplay gets changed.
 
Roland said:
I've been experimenting with the settings to create a custom set that comes as close as possible to the arcade feeling of classic horde mode. I'll share the code (after experimental drops) for anyone who wants to try it and then alter the settings if they have additional ideas to see if many minds can crack the puzzle better than I've been doing on my own. I think one of the fun new threads of the forum will be collaborations of people sharing codes and then others tweaking them and sharing back, and so on. I think we will eventually get a good library of option sets. It is a lot of fun to create a custom set of options as an initial base and then modifying it in different ways to see how gameplay gets changed.
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Can you spoil me if there is a setting that lets me disable intellect masteries 25% chance to find magazines in loot, potentially also the 50% double read perk. Setting magazine loot to the lowest settings and then bypassing it with mandatory mastery perks would be annoying to me.
 
Sorry but no spoilers this close to when the head honchos are going to want to reveal their own secrets. That would be bad form. You'll get many questioned answered during the dev stream and then probably the rest during streamer weekend and the experimental public beta. Another popular thread is sure to be options feedback and suggestions so if for some reason the intellect mastery doesn't play well with certain options, you can report that and the team will definitely look at it. They've already spent many hours looking for disparities and conflicts between options but they probably won't catch them all which is where feedback and suggestions during experimental will surely be helpful.
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JustBrowsing said:
From the first days of self check out at a store I have refused them. Over 25 years now. Won't use them and if I'm in a store that REQUIRES me to use one I leave all my intended purchases at the counter and walk out. Still today, Places like Wal-Mart grocery and Lowes try to do it. I often shop at both places and find ALL "cashier manned check-out" lanes closed except the self checkout lanes- sometimes they have a single support rep in the vicinity to give the appearance of a cashier but make no mistake, for every closed register, that's 1 less cashier employed per shift. I will never, knowingly trade hundreds of cashier and customer support jobs for a single remote IT contract to support the register with occasional on-call responses from a one or two technicians. So, for me, a quarter century of refusing to allow the "tech" flavor of the month to remove jobs. Call me naiveté, call me whatever you want but not a single person has lost their job because of me making a decision to use forced automation no matter how hard the big box stores have tried to push their mechanical barbarians. Using AI for anecdotal self help is one thing, utilizing AI to destroy the livelihood of 2 maybe the next 3 generations of outlook is akin to subjugation. In this country alone you have over 300000000 people and you are telling me everyone is just OK with the notion that 60% of the 50% that are working will be unemployed in the foreseeable future? ...there's gonna be some insane poverty levels across all regions- so mabye next time you think twice about adopting use of the self checkout
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heh...and then there's me who can't wait for drones to take over delivery for the online Walmart shopping program... ;)
 
JustBrowsing said:
From the first days of self check out at a store I have refused them. Over 25 years now. Won't use them and if I'm in a store that REQUIRES me to use one I leave all my intended purchases at the counter and walk out.
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so you all you need is a loaf of bread and some toilet paper and you prefer to stand in a queue where the ones in front have fifty zillion items in their trolley?
f that. in and out quick as.
self serve is a godsend
 
FenixMatariki said:
Can you spoil me if there is a setting that lets me disable intellect masteries 25% chance to find magazines in loot, potentially also the 50% double read perk. Setting magazine loot to the lowest settings and then bypassing it with mandatory mastery perks would be annoying to me.
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Since day 1 in 1.0, I've adamantly refused to use the nerd outfit. In my opinion it's broken (i.e. imbalanced) and I completely ignore it. I may not like the magazine system - I will admit it's grown sour on me over time - but anything that allows me to bypass progression and hit a brick wall sooner, almost artificially, earns a downvote in my book. The same goes for the "mandatory" Intellect mastery perks and the water purifier helmet mod. It's very easy to get sucked into the minmax mindset, even if you hate the very thing you're preaching. Traders are another good example. I've seen posts here and there with people going on about how they should never have been added because they make progression far too easy, and they can't help themselves and use them like they're their own shadow. I suggest to not use them since nobody has a gun to their heads. (Interestingly, me tossing down the rope into the pit they've dug for themselves results in them snapping at me for it, or anyone else.)

The point being, nobody is forcing you to take these perks, like how nobody is forcing you to taking the exact same meta perk selection in its exact order every single time. If something in the game cheapens part of it for you, then ignore it. This is not me saying "it's perfectly balanced and immune to critique, so tight your lips", it's an honest but friendly punch on the shoulder. If I can do it, so can anyone. It all depends on what you're looking for in the game.
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The Intellect perks + nerd armour aren't mandatory in a run. They're massive, massive, arguably very imbalanced quality of life boosts, but they're not required.
 
Dark Sun said:
Since day 1 in 1.0, I've adamantly refused to use the nerd outfit. In my opinion it's broken (i.e. imbalanced) and I completely ignore it. I may not like the magazine system - I will admit it's grown sour on me over time - but anything that allows me to bypass progression and hit a brick wall sooner, almost artificially, earns a downvote in my book. The same goes for the "mandatory" Intellect mastery perks and the water purifier helmet mod. It's very easy to get sucked into the minmax mindset, even if you hate the very thing you're preaching. Traders are another good example. I've seen posts here and there with people going on about how they should never have been added because they make progression far too easy, and they can't help themselves and use them like they're their own shadow. I suggest to not use them since nobody has a gun to their heads. (Interestingly, me tossing down the rope into the pit they've dug for themselves results in them snapping at me for it, or anyone else.)

The point being, nobody is forcing you to take these perks, like how nobody is forcing you to taking the exact same meta perk selection in its exact order every single time. If something in the game cheapens part of it for you, then ignore it. This is not me saying "it's perfectly balanced and immune to critique, so tight your lips", it's an honest but friendly punch on the shoulder. If I can do it, so can anyone. It all depends on what you're looking for in the game.
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I'm an intellect main, the double read and extra magazine chance are perks 2 and 3 on the way to the important 4 and 5 perks. If i could skip them i certainly would.
I too refuse to use the nerd chest, it speeds up progression so much. Same with the purifier!

I've considered not using traders but that means you miss out on infested quests, arguably the hardest content in the game.
Fingers crossed some of the new options nerf their imventory, or at least let me boost prices 500%
 
FenixMatariki said:
I'm an intellect main, the double read and extra magazine chance are perks 2 and 3 on the way to the important 4 and 5 perks. If i could skip them i certainly would.
I too refuse to use the nerd chest, it speeds up progression so much. Same with the purifier!

I've considered not using traders but that means you miss out on infested quests, arguably the hardest content in the game.
Fingers crossed some of the new options nerf their imventory, or at least let me boost prices 500%
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Hmm agreed that is an issue. I refuse to take Bookworm since it amplifies the magazine fatigue tenfold.

Hopefully there's a toggle in 3.0 to reduce magazine drop rates. I know I'll be dropping meds and ammo down the lowest they can go. By day 40 in my latest world I had enough meds (not including ingredients, like aloe cream and blood bags, those had their own separate box) that my steel box was overflowing. This was like 70 first aid kits, 60 pain killers, 60-70 first aid bandages, over 40 vitamins and steroids...

Agreed. Personally I don't like the biome loot stage bonuses so I turn that off almost completely, but I bump the forest's up just a tiny bit and have the rest of the biomes match it. Game stage wise I've lowered the other biomes, also, but I keep it in place for the sole purpose where if I outclass the pine forest, I can just move onto the next biome.

I prefer slower games, to the point where if I unlock the next tier of gear, I'll hold off for weeks. It reduces crafter's remorse. (You craft a quality level 5 pump action shotgun, and you unlock the auto shotgun two days later.)
 
JustBrowsing said:
From the first days of self check out at a store I have refused them. Over 25 years now. Won't use them and if I'm in a store that REQUIRES me to use one I leave all my intended purchases at the counter and walk out. Still today, Places like Wal-Mart grocery and Lowes try to do it. I often shop at both places and find ALL "cashier manned check-out" lanes closed except the self checkout lanes- sometimes they have a single support rep in the vicinity to give the appearance of a cashier but make no mistake, for every closed register, that's 1 less cashier employed per shift. I will never, knowingly trade hundreds of cashier and customer support jobs for a single remote IT contract to support the register with occasional on-call responses from a one or two technicians. So, for me, a quarter century of refusing to allow the "tech" flavor of the month to remove jobs. Call me naiveté, call me whatever you want but not a single person has lost their job because of me making a decision to use forced automation no matter how hard the big box stores have tried to push their mechanical barbarians. Using AI for anecdotal self help is one thing, utilizing AI to destroy the livelihood of 2 maybe the next 3 generations of outlook is akin to subjugation. In this country alone you have over 300000000 people and you are telling me everyone is just OK with the notion that 60% of the 50% that are working will be unemployed in the foreseeable future? ...there's gonna be some insane poverty levels across all regions- so mabye next time you think twice about adopting use of the self checkout
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Nukem_ded said:
so you all you need is a loaf of bread and some toilet paper and you prefer to stand in a queue where the ones in front have fifty zillion items in their trolley?
f that. in and out quick as.
self serve is a godsend
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Yeah, that's exactly how it works when they try to destroy jobs with automation.
Just find enough people that prefer to be a little more comfortable and they'll accept any job loss around them as long as they aren't bothered.

Until the automation comes for them or their family that is... :sneaky:
 
Jost Amman said:
Just find enough people that prefer to be a little more comfortable and they'll accept any job loss around them as long as they aren't bothered.
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"Job loss" ... do you travel by mass transit? That's a whole lot of rent-a-horse business gone, you know.

I don't hate the idea of "preserving jobs", the morals are decent.. but the full output of a cashier is "moving items by a few feet". It produces nothing. If we can free those people to do anything that actually produces something, it's a net gain.

Losing low skilled jobs is an actual economic issue, but it shouldn't be solved by forcing companies to waste man-hours on pointless tasks. I'd much prefer a UBI for that (and that idea has massive issues too, but we'd basically just be paying the cashiers to output nothing ... no change detected :P )
 
This is an exciting time to be alive. Maybe THEE most exciting time to be alive.
Obviously AI is getting better, robotics are getting better; no one is going to halt that progression. They might put in speed bumps, but it's gonna keep going.

The likelihood that we will eventually move into a "you don't have to work anymore" universal basic income situation is pretty good. You might think that will usher in the end of society. Everyone will become lazy, useless messes. But you don't know that. You have no idea what will happen.

Those cashiers, at the very least, are completely disengaged with their job, and more likely hate doing it. This sounds like the best thing for them.
 
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"Job loss" ... do you travel by mass transit? That's a whole lot of rent-a-horse business gone, you know.

I don't hate the idea of "preserving jobs", the morals are decent.. but the full output of a cashier is "moving items by a few feet". It produces nothing. If we can free those people to do anything that actually produces something, it's a net gain.

Losing low skilled jobs is an actual economic issue, but it shouldn't be solved by forcing companies to waste man-hours on pointless tasks. I'd much prefer a UBI for that (and that idea has massive issues too, but we'd basically just be paying the cashiers to output nothing ... no change detected :P )
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Not on my watch.

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Nukem_ded said:
so you all you need is a loaf of bread and some toilet paper and you prefer to stand in a queue where the ones in front have fifty zillion items in their trolley?
f that. in and out quick as.
self serve is a godsend
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Nope, I don't wait, I simply leave the items in the check out and go somewhere else. Rather spend the time giving someone a job to return the items to the shelves then be the cause of higher state tax to pay for their unemployment.
 
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