Beaker

SabinSnake PS5#1 said:
Please, give the ability to create a beaker in the forge! I dunno how this was missed, but creating a beaker in the forge should of been added way before update 2.5. It was available in A16, but for some reason got deleted, makes no sense.
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I agree. The beaker has been the one missing ingredient for a Chemistry Station in a couple of my playthroughs. My friend literally went from trader to trader every three days for a while trying to find one. If glass jars can be forged, why not beakers? I do remember forging them on previous versions of the game as well.
 
SabinSnake PS5#1 said:
Please, give the ability to create a beaker in the forge! I dunno how this was missed, but creating a beaker in the forge should of been added way before update 2.5. It was available in A16, but for some reason got deleted, makes no sense.
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I don't think that's something believable in a post-apocalypse context.
It's like crafting modern weapons from scratch without weapon parts.

Do you know how difficult it is to create a beaker without any scientific reference?

Not only is it difficult to create a reliable glass container with that shape, but it's also VERY difficult to recreate the value measurements.
Best realistic solution is to loot it from hospitals and labs (like we do in the game right now).

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Suxar said:
And yet we're making an autogyro, whose blades must be almost perfectly balanced.
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Maybe you won't believe me, but creating a working gyro from scratch is probably easier (with some trial an error).

The problem with a beaker, apart from the crafting itself, is you won't know you did your work well until you use it multiple times and test if the equal values increments you marked on it are correct.

Imagine mixing explosives powders, potions or poisons but messing up the right quantities because your beaker is not measuring correctly.
Especially with explosive powders you could end up crafting a dud or even having the misture blow up in your face because the proportions for the recipe are not translated right in the beaker.

Of course this is a game, so you can have flying pigs if you like, but personally I would like the idea.
 
I know folks who play on consoles can't have mods, but for the rest, adding a beaker recipe is pretty easy.

In terms of the game, I think making one in the forge would probably make sense, though I feel that would be too easy. It would turn a rare item into a commodity. Maybe if it were crafted at the workbench? I don't know what would be best.
 
Jost Amman said:
The problem with a beaker, apart from the crafting itself, is you won't know you did your work well until you use it multiple times and test if the equal values increments you marked on it are correct.

Imagine mixing explosives powders, potions or poisons but messing up the right quantities because your beaker is not measuring correctly.
Especially with explosive powders you could end up crafting a dud or even having the misture blow up in your face because the proportions for the recipe are not translated right in the beaker.
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Everything is relative.

Checking the uniformity of a beaker's scale is very simple. Pour the liquid up to the first mark, pour it into another container, pour it again, return the liquid from the other container; the level should be at the second mark. And so on.

Now about the division value, which can't be properly adjusted in the apocalypse, but it's not necessary. Everything is mixed up in proportions, and if we need a 1:2 ratio, it doesn't matter at all whether it's 1 liter to 2 liters or 1 pint to 2 pints. The ratio will be the same. Precise scales are essential in modern laboratories, since different people can measure different materials with different instruments. But here, we do everything alone and with one instrument.
 
I'm neither here nor there with finding/crafting it. as most things there are positives and negatives to both. if you can craft it, then eventually it's not important as it easy to get. if you can't craft, it and have a bad luck run, it can get frustrating when that's the one thing stopping you. so, I just take it however it is.

I just wanted to comment, that the measurement is not what makes the beaker so special. you can get many beakers without measurements and use other means to measure ingredients as you put them in. what makes a beaker special is it's not made from normal glass. it is made from Borosilicate Glass (same as what some cookware is made from), which gives it the property to take extrema change in temperatures without cracking and has other properties that make it the go to lab vessel, e.g. resist acids, easy to clean and cheap.

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Suxar said:
Everything is relative.

Checking the uniformity of a beaker's scale is very simple. Pour the liquid up to the first mark, pour it into another container, pour it again, return the liquid from the other container; the level should be at the second mark. And so on.

Now about the division value, which can't be properly adjusted in the apocalypse, but it's not necessary. Everything is mixed up in proportions, and if we need a 1:2 ratio, it doesn't matter at all whether it's 1 liter to 2 liters or 1 pint to 2 pints. The ratio will be the same. Precise scales are essential in modern laboratories, since different people can measure different materials with different instruments. But here, we do everything alone and with one instrument.
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That makes sense, but you need to consider that if those we find in magazines were real recipes, they would have ingredients with quantities that could be much smaller than your in-house beaker can measure. So you're back at square one again, trying to add 2.5g (0.5% proportion) quantity of an ingredient, inside a beaker where you tagged value up to a 10% precision. You also can't even multiply everything x10, because it wouldn't fit in the (e.g.) 1L beaker.

Your solution would work well, in my opinion, for non-dangerous recipes and/or something you craft with your own standards and your own proportions. But if you need to be precise you may need to do A LOT of work to have a really functional beaker.
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Wacky Wizard said:
I just wanted to comment, that the measurement is not what makes the beaker so special. you can get many beakers without measurements and use other means to measure ingredients as you put them in. what makes a beaker special is it's not made from normal glass. it is made from Borosilicate Glass (same as what some cookware is made from), which gives it the property to take extrema change in temperatures without cracking and has other properties that make it the go to lab vessel, e.g. resist acids, easy to clean and cheap.
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Jost Amman said:
The problem with a beaker, apart from the crafting itself
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Yes
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Wacky Wizard said:
I just wanted to comment, that the measurement is not what makes the beaker so special. you can get many beakers without measurements and use other means to measure ingredients as you put them in.
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Yes, like a lab scale for example, which would still need to be looted from a lab or a hospital (in the game).
 
Jost Amman said:
That makes sense, but you need to consider that if those we find in magazines were real recipes, they would have ingredients with quantities that could be much smaller than your in-house beaker can measure. So you're back at square one again, trying to add 2.5g (0.5% proportion) quantity of an ingredient, inside a beaker where you tagged value up to a 10% precision. You also can't even multiply everything x10, because it wouldn't fit in the (e.g.) 1L beaker.
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If it didn't fit in one go, try again. What's the problem? Someone's stopping you from pouring 100 glasses filled to line 100 and then mixing in one filled to line 1?
 
Jost Amman said:
I don't think that's something believable in a post-apocalypse context.
It's like crafting modern weapons from scratch without weapon parts.

Do you know how difficult it is to create a beaker without any scientific reference?

Not only is it difficult to create a reliable glass container with that shape, but it's also VERY difficult to recreate the value measurements.
Best realistic solution is to loot it from hospitals and labs (like we do in the game right now).

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Yeah well, my current character is level 52 and I haven't gotten a single ■■■■ one to drop, much less found one in any loot and I have to have one to craft a chemistry station. You can't even use a simple jar to make the fk'in table either, which is BS! The trader doesn't sell it, which makes no sense either.
 
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SabinSnake PS5#1 said:
Yeah well, my current character is level 52 and I haven't gotten a single ■■■■ one to drop, much less found one in any loot and I have to have one to craft a chemistry station. You can't even use a simple jar to make the fk'in table either, which is BS! The trader doesn't sell it, which makes no sense either.
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Unless I'm playing a different game I think I saw a Beaker several times on sale at the trader.
But I didn't need it since I found one early on in loot.

Try going to that Lvl. 1/2 POI that is disguised as a house, but has a meth lab inside.
There are a lot of chemical supplies to search.
 
Just for reference, you can get a beaker as an award for either a quest tier completion reward or challenge reward (I forget which). It's only one, but it does give you one without having to deal with RNG as long as you complete what's required in order to get that reward. If you don't do traders or don't do either the quests or challenges (whichever it is that gives it), then you're stuck with RNG. I typically find 5-8 in each game, though.
 
SabinSnake PS5#1 said:
Yeah well, my current character is level 52 and I haven't gotten a single ■■■■ one to drop, much less found one in any loot and I have to have one to craft a chemistry station. You can't even use a simple jar to make the fk'in table either, which is BS! The trader doesn't sell it, which makes no sense either.
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Here's a thread on searching for a beaker that might help:

Lax

Thread 'Beaker Hunt'

Other than checking with Trader Jen, looting Pills, hospitals, clinics or Med Facilities, anyone know of any other way of boosting your odds of finding one? Been searching mainly in the Snow Biome, around Day 41. Loot Stage is like 196.

RNG is not being kind at all this playthrough. Even got Lucky Looter maxed and still no love. Do points in Intellect or medical perks increase your odds at all?
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Brief summary: see if you've completed all the challenges prior to the challenge to "place a chem station". After completing them, select the chem station challenge and "track" it. Once tracked, head over to Jen and check her stock for beakers and chem stations.
 
Jost Amman said:
Unless I'm playing a different game I think I saw a Beaker several times on sale at the trader.
But I didn't need it since I found one early on in loot.

Try going to that Lvl. 1/2 POI that is disguised as a house, but has a meth lab inside.
There are a lot of chemical supplies to search.
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I was in that exact house 2 days ago, didn't get/find any.
 
Vaeliorin said:
Jen almost always has beakers for sale. I generally buy them whenever I see them, so I quite often have double digits of them.
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I went to trader Jen's too, but no beaker to be found. And holy hell, they changed Jen into an Asian! 🤣, dunno why, the other Jen model was fine. Wonder if someone complained that the other Jen was ugly? The Asian Jen has a weird blank stare, kind of creepy.
 
Lax said:
Here's a thread on searching for a beaker that might help:

Lax

Thread 'Beaker Hunt'

Other than checking with Trader Jen, looting Pills, hospitals, clinics or Med Facilities, anyone know of any other way of boosting your odds of finding one? Been searching mainly in the Snow Biome, around Day 41. Loot Stage is like 196.

RNG is not being kind at all this playthrough. Even got Lucky Looter maxed and still no love. Do points in Intellect or medical perks increase your odds at all?
  • Prime Bless You

Brief summary: see if you've completed all the challenges prior to the challenge to "place a chem station". After completing them, select the chem station challenge and "track" it. Once tracked, head over to Jen and check her stock for beakers and chem stations.
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I went to trader Jen's (for some reason she's Asian now 😂) didn't find one there either. I'm on day 66, i've also been to 2 kinds of medical buildings and still no beaker avail. I have all the challenges done before "place a chem station" and trader Jen didn't have a beaker in stock.
 
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