The new update is still weird and doesn't really address anything.
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InfiniteWarrior
Survivor
Can we agree there's a difference between probablity and possibility? As good a place as any to start.
theFlu
Hunter
Umm, no? Both are size-neutral expressions of uncertainty? Unless you mean one is spelled wrong?
Riamus
Hunter
Yes, it would take time if they implemented it. As far as whether or not they do so, I have no idea. That was just my opinion that it wouldn't be worth it. I don't know whether or not TFP thinks it is worth it.So, you don't think "it just takes time", just "it won't get implemented"? I agree. I was asking why BFT doesn't...
theFlu
Hunter
Those thighs man, they save lives. BFT, presumably replying to OP said "it takes time". That implies he thinks further changes are being implemented, and we should just wait for them. Given the list of things in the OP are things that would go explicitly against the design goals stated by TFP, I got curious and tried to ask him if he meant the whole OP and/or had some info I don't.
Riamus
Hunter
To me, that is not as significant as you seem to suggest. If someone is opposed to traders, then sure, it is a big deal. Otherwise, it isn't. So you get it by crafting it instead of as a reward. It's different, but not really significant. The process is practically the same. You compete the challenges. Then the difference is whether you craft it or go to a trader for it. That is all. Some might consider it a different vibe, but I have a feeling many are like me and don't see it as a significant change.
Note that I am not talking about the ability to make it for others or to drop it on death. Those are changes that can impact players more significantly, but just that you don't get it from a trader? That isn't what I would call very significant.
theFlu
Hunter
Yeh, the facts that you 1) craft it and 2) it's a set of reasonable gear, it's an improvement, but it's something like 10-20% of the way. The challenge-page lockdown remains quite weird, and way more significantly so...
Since TFP wants to tie biome progression to quest tiers (apparently), go full speed ahead. Rekt tosses you a smoothie when he tells you to go see Jen; you show up to Jen and she wonders why on earth aren't you wearing a gas mask. And as the local resident, tells you how to make one. Voiced lines and all. Repeating that 4 times might get a little weird, so maybe you know to ask about the cold when you get to Hughie, or even when leaving Bob, but anyway ... something along those lines to tie it to the world.
HammerDano
Survivor
Man...calm the ■■■■ down. I just want some general communication.
It's Q3 2025. The roadmap? they won't even address the roadmap.
I get that it will still be 4-6 weeks (or so) before faatal switches to start 3.0 work (I got that from his recent post).
But what about the sandbox? TFP mumbled something about looking into it, I am assuming it would NOT TAKE PRECEDENCE over finishing this game first. (i hope)
BUT actually gathering data from the players would be a great distraction...be a great thing to talk about...be great for them. PLUS it would look like they are FOLLOWING UP ON SOMETHING...which would also be a good thing for them. Sandbox could even be a separate game for all I care...then they could get PC to pay twice too. (since they seem to be the ones who want it most)
Joel got a lot of people stirred up...and is not following up...that is not great...should be resolved.
people outside of this site KNOW that TFP is not even communicating here...that looks terrible.
So yeah...I'd like it if they hired someone who understands communication and public relations...sue me.
InfiniteWarrior
Survivor
So, Joel tossed an idea out there which he obviously had predetermined opinions about. "Did you like jars because they were immersive or becuase they were easier?" Way to go with the either/or mentality as opposed to the both/and. All I can say.
But it was asked in passing. Why make such a big deal about it?
We all know your opinion regarding timelines and sticking to those timelines and/or communication about those timelines. You've made those quite clear.
Honestly, I think them too restrictive of TFP. They're not robots. Thank God they don't act and think like robots...although they may be unaware how industry trends are affecting their judgment. Again. All I have to say.
HammerDano
Survivor
It is hard to ignore "in passing" but I will
I'm making the valid point that public opinion is still dropping.
It was said to be constructive. You're right, my opinion is known, but, I have not been asking for any dates for awhile now...just communication.
I don't think we will see Bandits before Q4 2026...that's not doom and gloom...that's me giving myself...and I guess all of you...a large buffer zone of time where I am not getting involved in how long it is taking...no need. I also think that if they take all of that time and still are not fixing their public relations it will hurt them in the long run. I don't even know why I am trying to help. I will only buy another game from them IF it is finished...and I will still wait a year just to be sure. Still don't want the company to fail...just not a fan of the management. I love the game.
plzkthxbye
Scavenger
You are really obsessed with the community manager idea. It's peculiar to me. I don't think it's a bad idea or anything, but it's also not a particularly novel idea. I'm sure if they thought it would be worth the cost (assuming they'd have to pay someone to do it), they would have done it. Just trying to save you some frustration (What was it that Elsa sang?).
Roland
Community Moderator
But why do you care about those statements by other gamers. TFP hasn't made those statements. If someone says its too soon for feedback, or too late for feedback, or feedback isn't going to change anything, how does that stop you from giving it anyway and how does it stop TFP from reading it? It's just random people with no real influence for whether your feedback makes an impact or not. It's just contrary opinion on a message board and it doesn't somehow bamboozle the developers.
It's not like they wipe sweat from their brow and sigh in relief when they read someone on the forum tell someone else, "It's too soon for feedback" and think, "I'm glad I don't have to get started on fixing THAT yet. That guy said it's too soon."
Kyoji
Survivor
Not at all and not at all.
Why would anyone actually give any care on why you would wear them all at once? Also, I don't want them to show. Why have nice armor so why are going to throw some stupid mask over it? We got rid of the clothing system for a reason. It looked like crap. I think clothing is important, but the important aspect is hunting for the various clothing and what the stats meant on the clothing and was most certainly not for it's amazing aesthetics.
They made the changes for everyone very quickly. What would you expect? Offer proper feedback on what they should change and maybe they will take more time on it. Possibly no, but if enough people had the same proper critique maybe. Either way it is better than no suggestion.
I agree the direction towards fantasy and RPG has been generally not appreciated. It's not good to be frank.
What does "barebones" mean? Like no traders? No cities? No trees?
Sadly it makes people who have proper opinions feel ostracized because people are too tired of people asking for change improperly that we all get lumped together.
I hate the new armor sets abilities. I don't mind the aesthetics so much. I dislike the RPG elements of set bonuses and the no fall damage is just stupid.
No the skin was the problem too. I agree the challenge system is garbage, but it's still better than it was.
theFlu
Hunter
Why do I care? Umm; I think it's because I've realized that truth is a value in itself. And pursuing truth is .. entertaining?
Those "quoted comments" weren't even in reference to "other gamers", just to a line of logic I've seen used in other places too. That being "now is not the time for feedback", when in practice the correct time for any feedback is "as soon as possible". The later a feedback is given, the more work may have to be redone to incorporate it; it's always easier to get it earlier.
When it gets used just as a thinly veiled "Shut up!", I might get annoyed enough to respond.
Also, the logic displayed in what I was responding is wild. The verbiage is weird, I think it Tries to refer to a gap in time where feedback is fine, but it can just as correctly be read as "Can we not let it bake until it's set in stone". Which was, of course, open for clarification, but such wasn't offered...
Now, why you asking?
Soulmonster
Scavenger
No thanks, I prefer them to continue with the current road map. I really don't want a sandbox mode.
And the new patch that allows us to enter any biome in whatever order we want, definitely "addresses" and fixes a problem voiced by many.
Roland
Community Moderator
You’re acting as if it was the same person (or faction) who makes all those statements. I don’t believe that it was. It’s just different people with different opinions posting separate statements and then you consolidated them into one post together to say that there’s a faction that doesn’t want feedback given ever.
My main reason for asking was to make sure that people (not necessarily you but maybe you)understood that no official representative of TFP has ever said that feedback should not be given. Sometimes people read statements made by gamers on the website and then later ascribe that to being TFP’s stance. In this case you’re aggregating comments made by many different people and then making it out to be a single sentiment that never allows feedback ever. That’s not TFP’s sentiment and so feedback should still be provided any time regardless of whether some other user might try to say that now is not the time.
theFlu
Hunter
No; I'm just responding to a "You can't give feedback at this time" with other versions of "You can't give feedback at This Other time". A rhetorical way to show the argument can be made at any time and boils down to "oh, shut up".
I never spoke of TFP in that response; thanks for clarifying their position, but as I was arguing for the same position, I don't really see the point.
BFT2020
Hunter
Not really, that was just a standard response I do when someone complains about no progress in game development and it has only been a month since the townhall. Not really interested in engaging with the OP's demands for "weirdness" to be addressed.
And lets be honest, have I ever focused on "immersion" in any discussions I have had on what I like or want in this game?
theFlu
Hunter
Then.. why are you?
You're effectively trying to placate the complainer by giving a vague but false promise. Why? What good will that accomplish?
I can't remember; I can't promise I've read every discussion you've had in the past, not even the public ones. Obviously not the private ones. Since you ask, probably not. You're still allowed to discuss it even if you haven't previously.
