PC Why no one is doing anything for 7 days to die

[Roland]

No what i meant was TFP sold the console rights so that they could develop the PC with the money they received.

This is false. They were excited to get their game on additional platforms because they are excited about their game and for any developer having the opportunity to get your game on major consoles is an accomplishment. While extra income is always welcome and they wouldn't have done it if it wasn't going to be profitable they did not need to do it to continue development. 7 Days to Die sells very well and before becoming game developers the owners were all successful businessmen in their own right so they have been managing their company very well.

I dont think it is any coincidence that PC received updates significantly quicker and more frequently following the sale of the console rights

This is laughable and wholly inaccurate. The console rights were sold back when Alpha 14 was being released. Alpha 14 was the version the console game was based upon. Alpha 15 took longer to release than Alpha 14 did and Alpha 16 was even longer and A17 was the longest dev cycle of all at 1.5 years. Alpha 18 was also a longer dev cycle than A14 though shorter than A17. There were 13 major updates before console and there have only been 4 since console. There is zero evidence to support your claim that PC updates came faster after the console rights were sold.

 

[Freestyle604]

First, TFP has to strike a new contract with IG. This will require lawyers, and several months of deliberation. Just this alone will cost a few mil.Second, IG will need to resume work on the port. Do they have the same team members that worked on it before? If so that will be easier. Otherwise they will almost be starting over from scratch. Just to finish the current build that was almost ready for release will take several months, and will cost several million dollars.

Then once that happens, do they continue? Do they just drop it there? These kinds of things would have been negotiated back in the first step. It does not make sense to spend several million dollars just to release a patch though.

Which leads us to the other issue...

Say they decide to continue and work into aligning the console to the final build. This is going to take a couple of years, and won't be released until after TFP have finished the original PC game. (This is really the next step, because after finishing the next update, any new updates hat aren't hotfixes for current code would require a new save.)

The issue with all of this is that it will break current saves. Both Sony and Microshaft have a rule set against this. So they would be unable to update the current version without designing a new process for keeping the old format semi-compatible. Which will take a lot of time and several million dollars. So in order to release the actual finished version, this will likely require a second game release.

Thank you TTG for ♥♥♥♥ing over console players on this one by announcing an Alpha build as a finished product.

Now after all of that is considered, you have the primary consideration before you even go onto any of this. Money.

Will continued support of the console port be financially feasible?

If TFP goes into this process and spends 30 million dollars on it, is there any chance of recouping that cost? They are a small indie developer. They don't have that kind of money to just throw away.

Thank you Sylen.

For the record many of the updates I downloaded required me to restart the console version. So maybe I dont fully understand what you mean by آ“break current savesآ”. Matter of fact when updates were published by TTG they clearly stated you would need to restart (lose your current game) for the new update features. This was the only part of your post, I feel I might have misunderstood or disagreed with.

آ“These kinds of things would have been negotiated back in the first step.آ”

I totally agree. I think these things would have been discussed long before spending money to regain the rights. This is why I am salty about TFP and their plan. I would say it is a lack of plan. They should have cut bait when TTG went under and said we dont know console, or have the money to finish the update TTG was working on. Painful, but I would have understood. I am only here because TFP keep the idea alive. Not TTG, but now TFP.

Or correct me if I am wrong and TFP didnt say they might do something after PC goes gold? Either update or possibly new release.

To me it would be this simple. What is the cost of the update. Put that cost + some profit and put it on kickstart. If console players want it, they will pay for it. If not then OWN up and say its over. At least the current console version. Next gen or re-release discussion comes up after PC goes gold.

You loudly and clearly pointed out why the current version of console is dead. Why then wont TFP say that instead of leading us down this long windy road that when PC finally goes gold. We will get to hear sorry guys but.... Just tell us now.

 

[Freestyle604]

This is false. They were excited to get their game on additional platforms because they are excited about their game and for any developer having the opportunity to get your game on major consoles is an accomplishment. While extra income is always welcome and they wouldn't have done it if it wasn't going to be profitable they did not need to do it to continue development. 7 Days to Die sells very well and before becoming game developers the owners were all successful businessmen in their own right so they have been managing their company very well.

So what happened between selling the rights to a game for money you dont need, to now? Are TFP no longer excited about their console version?

“The Fun Pimps are a PC game developer and publisher…and we do not have the resources or expertise to do ports/updates to the console, so we licensed the console publishing rights to Telltale Games who hired Iron Galaxy who have done the ports with minimal TFP assistance.“

This statment seems to make skills_over_9000 statment plausible.

I didn’t include your 2nd paragraph, because I agree. ZERO coincidence between PC updates and console sales.

 

[skillz_over_9000]

So what happened between selling the rights to a game for money you dont need, to now? Are TFP no longer excited about their console version?
“The Fun Pimps are a PC game developer and publisher…and we do not have the resources or expertise to do ports/updates to the console, so we licensed the console publishing rights to Telltale Games who hired Iron Galaxy who have done the ports with minimal TFP assistance.“

This statment seems to make skills_over_9000 statment plausible.

I didn’t include your 2nd paragraph, because I agree. ZERO coincidence between PC updates and console sales.

Because Roland is wrong lol. No company would sell rights to a game just because especially if they had intentions to bring it to console themselves eventually. Add to that TFP just "didn't need the money" according to Roland and you have a very unlikely and fairly illogical explanation for why TFP did what they did.

As to Roland speaking about complete Alpha releases and technically he is right but only because he specifically says full alpha releases. Several updates were launched in between Aplha updates and yes they launched with more frequency than before the flux of income from selling the rights. Its a game of technicalities when trying to defend all of this

 

[meganoth]

Because Roland is wrong lol. No company would sell rights to a game just because especially if they had intentions to bring it to console themselves eventually. Add to that TFP just "didn't need the money" according to Roland and you have a very unlikely and fairly illogical explanation for why TFP did what they did.
As to Roland speaking about complete Alpha releases and technically he is right but only because he specifically says full alpha releases. Several updates were launched in between Aplha updates and yes they launched with more frequency than before the flux of income from selling the rights. Its a game of technicalities when trying to defend all of this

When TFP licenced to TTG they surely had the idea that all future versions would be brought to console by TTG. Think of it as getting the fame (and a steady stream of licencing money trickling in for years to come) without doing the work. Work you don't want to be doing yourself if you can avoid it.

If you still have problems grokking it, an author might like his book made into a movie too, but most of the time he wants AND needs someone else to do the actual filming.

There is no indication the licence was time-limited and TFP wanted to do console themselves in the future. If it were time-limited, TFP could just have sat out the duration instead of throwing money at an auction and lawyers.

About the money: TFP had to put money into the auction and into lawyer fees that used up an unknown part of the licencing money (and according to them a lot more than they initially expected). TFP also had been calculating the future aka their time table with the licencing money included. Maybe they invested some of that money long-term to be used for development of game nr.2, maybe that money allowed them to increase the time frame for the development of PC 7D2D. It doesn't necessarily mean they depend on the licencing money, but it means it helps like any other income source.

Whatever you get paid in your job, you probably can live with it. If you suddenly get 20% more pay, you can order better food and buy a bigger PC. But it doesn't mean you NEED that money.

 

[Brian9824]

So what happened between selling the rights to a game for money you dont need, to now? Are TFP no longer excited about their console version?
“The Fun Pimps are a PC game developer and publisher…and we do not have the resources or expertise to do ports/updates to the console, so we licensed the console publishing rights to Telltale Games who hired Iron Galaxy who have done the ports with minimal TFP assistance.“

This statment seems to make skills_over_9000 statment plausible.

I didn’t include your 2nd paragraph, because I agree. ZERO coincidence between PC updates and console sales.

I'm sure they are excited but also hesitant to now license it out again in fear of something else happening. Being excited doesn't change the fact that they weren't equipped to put it on consoles themselves are were relying on TTG and IG who screwed up royally. I'd bet they'd love to get an updated game out for consoles, but they don't have the expertise to do so hence why they had hoped TTG would handle it.

Because Roland is wrong lol. No company would sell rights to a game just because especially if they had intentions to bring it to console themselves eventually. Add to that TFP just "didn't need the money" according to Roland and you have a very unlikely and fairly illogical explanation for why TFP did what they did.
As to Roland speaking about complete Alpha releases and technically he is right but only because he specifically says full alpha releases. Several updates were launched in between Aplha updates and yes they launched with more frequency than before the flux of income from selling the rights. Its a game of technicalities when trying to defend all of this

They never had an intention to bring it to console while making the game. It was always an afterthought after release just like their current stance now. They have been and still are a PC developer. When a reputable company approached them they thought it would be a mutually beneficial and didn't expect TTG to go under and fail. Just like i'm sure JK Rowling didn't plan on her books being made into movies but when someone approached her and offered to take her work and make a movie she jumped on it as she wasn't equipped to make her own movie.

Also yeah we are talking about new Alpha releases becuase the smaller builds were nothing but small bug fixes and tweaks after the major updates. The development time between those hasn't changed.

 

[Roland]

So what happened between selling the rights to a game for money you dont need, to now? Are TFP no longer excited about their console version?

What do you mean what happened? The publishing company went bankrupt. TFP had to purchase back their rights. I said they went into the deal because they believed it would be profitable. I never said they didn't want more money. I said that Skills was wrong to assume that more money was necessary for further PC development. Who says no to more money when the opportunity comes? Of course TFP is still interested in having a presence in the console market. They have said that they hope to be able to bring an updated version to the next generation of consoles.

“The Fun Pimps are a PC game developer and publisher…and we do not have the resources or expertise to do ports/updates to the console, so we licensed the console publishing rights to Telltale Games who hired Iron Galaxy who have done the ports with minimal TFP assistance.“
This statement seems to make skills_over_9000 statment plausible.

How? Skills is claiming that TFP went console in order to feed off console customers in order to make updates for PC customers. The statement above says nothing about going into the console market in order to better fund PC development. There is zero correlation between skills' claim that TFP went into console because they needed money from console players in order to fund their PC game.

It says that TFP needed a console publishing company and a console development studio in order to make their dreams of a console presence come true. What are the resources and expertise that Telltale Games had that TFP didn't? How about the ability to manufacture physical game discs and packaging for brick and mortar stores? How about already established distribution networks and connections with all of those stores to get the games onto the shelves? How about already established connections with Sony and Microsoft? How about already established relationships with console development studios? What resources did Iron Galaxy have that TFP didn't have? How about dev kits for Xbox and Playstation? How about experience of porting and developing for those platforms?

When TFP admits to being solely a PC development studio they are just stating what has been true since their founding about 7 years ago. They only develop for PC. They gave source code and members of the team worked with members of Iron Galaxy's team when requested.

Now....did they use even one cent of the profits from console sales to help fund PC updates? Technically, no, because they have never yet run out of money generated by the PC sales alone. But I doubt they are keeping console profits in a separate account to make sure console profits and PC profits never mix....

 

[Roland]

Because Roland is wrong lol. No company would sell rights to a game just because especially if they had intentions to bring it to console themselves eventually. Add to that TFP just "didn't need the money" according to Roland and you have a very unlikely and fairly illogical explanation for why TFP did what they did.

huh? When did I say they sold their rights to a game "just because"? I told you they are savvy businessmen. They sold their rights because it increased their market share, increased their notoriety and name recognition, increased their profits, and because as I said it is the dream of most small independent studios to see their games on the major console platforms. None of that is "just because".

Rick: Hey Joel what day is today?

Joel: Tuesday

Rick: Wanna go out for tacos and sell our rights to a console publisher?

Joel: Sure but why?

Rick: What do you mean? Taco Tuesday....

Joel: mkay sure....whatever....

As to Roland speaking about complete Alpha releases and technically he is right but only because he specifically says full alpha releases. Several updates were launched in between Alpha updates and yes they launched with more frequency than before the flux of income from selling the rights. Its a game of technicalities when trying to defend all of this

Only a console player would ever want to count .x updates...lol. Over on the PC side when people are complaining about how slow the updates are and I try and count the .x updates they say "Only if you want to be technical...only the big updates should count" ....lmao. But let's look at all the updates and see if my claim or your claim is actually and not just technically right:

Pre-Console on Steam (a period of time of approximately 2.5 years)




3.0, 4.0, 4.1, 5.0, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, 7.4, 7.5, 7.6, 7.7, 7.8, 7.9, 7.10, 7.11, 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, 8.3, 8.4, 8.5, 8.6, 8.7, 8.8, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, 9.3, 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 11.0, 11.1, 11.2, 11.3, 11.4, 11.5, 11.6, 12.0, 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 12.4, 12.5, 13.0, 13.1, 13.2, 13.3, 13.4, 13.5, 13.6, 13.7, 13.8, 13.9, 14.0, 14.1, 14.2, 14.3, 14.4, 14.5, 14.6, 14.7, 14.8

Post-Console on Steam (a period of time of approximately 3.5 years)

15.0, 15.1, 15.2, 16.0, 16.1, 16.2, 16.3, 16.4, 17.0, 17.1, 17.2, 17.3, 17.4, 18.1, 18.2

Thank you Skills for encouraging me to look at ALL the updates so our conversation wouldn't be based just on technicalities.

Pre-Console update rate: 2.37 updates per month on average.

Post-Console update rate: 0.36 updates per month on average.

 

[Roland]

About the money: TFP had to put money into the auction and into lawyer fees that used up an unknown part of the licencing money (and according to them a lot more than they initially expected). TFP also had been calculating the future aka their time table with the licencing money included. Maybe they invested some of that money long-term to be used for development of game nr.2, maybe that money allowed them to increase the time frame for the development of PC 7D2D. It doesn't necessarily mean they depend on the licencing money, but it means it helps like any other income source.

You know....I wonder if perhaps some irate PC player shouldn't be posting threads berating TFP for using PC profits to buy back their console rights. I mean how dare TFP use sacred funds offered up by people who may never use a console to benefit players of those machines....

If only we knew for sure how much all the fees and and the rights themselves cost them so we could see whether that amount exceeded the total profits they earned from console so we could know for sure or not if we should be angry and indignant or not.

It's the not knowing that is the worst.

Plus, game nr.2? What if I don't buy that game and my funds I paid for this game help develop that game!?!?!!

(I'm buying game nr.2)

 

[meganoth]

You know....I wonder if perhaps some irate PC player shouldn't be posting threads berating TFP for using PC profits to buy back their console rights. I mean how dare TFP use sacred funds offered up by people who may never use a console to benefit players of those machines....
If only we knew for sure how much all the fees and and the rights themselves cost them so we could see whether that amount exceeded the total profits they earned from console so we could know for sure or not if we should be angry and indignant or not.

It's the not knowing that is the worst.

Plus, game nr.2? What if I don't buy that game and my funds I paid for this game help develop that game!?!?!!

(I'm buying game nr.2)

I haven't decided on game nr.2 yet, it could be a voxel-free Skyrim clone in the worst case. TFP, please mark my $25 as 7D2D money. Up to 10% can be used as lunch money, but only if said lunch money has 4% food poisoning chance. Same chance for everyone :cocksure:

 

[Freestyle604]

What do you mean what happened? The publishing company went bankrupt. TFP had to purchase back their rights. I said they went into the deal because they believed it would be profitable. I never said they didn't want more money. I said that Skills was wrong to assume that more money was necessary for further PC development. Who says no to more money when the opportunity comes? Of course TFP is still interested in having a presence in the console market. They have said that they hope to be able to bring an updated version to the next generation of consoles.


How? Skills is claiming that TFP went console in order to feed off console customers in order to make updates for PC customers. The statement above says nothing about going into the console market in order to better fund PC development. There is zero correlation between skills' claim that TFP went into console because they needed money from console players in order to fund their PC game.

It says that TFP needed a console publishing company and a console development studio in order to make their dreams of a console presence come true. What are the resources and expertise that Telltale Games had that TFP didn't? How about the ability to manufacture physical game discs and packaging for brick and mortar stores? How about already established distribution networks and connections with all of those stores to get the games onto the shelves? How about already established connections with Sony and Microsoft? How about already established relationships with console development studios? What resources did Iron Galaxy have that TFP didn't have? How about dev kits for Xbox and Playstation? How about experience of porting and developing for those platforms?

When TFP admits to being solely a PC development studio they are just stating what has been true since their founding about 7 years ago. They only develop for PC. They gave source code and members of the team worked with members of Iron Galaxy's team when requested.

Now....did they use even one cent of the profits from console sales to help fund PC updates? Technically, no, because they have never yet run out of money generated by the PC sales alone. But I doubt they are keeping console profits in a separate account to make sure console profits and PC profits never mix....

You said they were excited to get into the console market. You said they didnt need the money. Now that they have the rights back and could actually support console we are told they dont have the experience with console or the financial resources to support console. So what happened between this excitement for money that isnt really need and sorry we dont have the resources to support or aid console?

I can accept that it is next gen console, just need to have TFP say that. Unfortunately until PC goes gold we wont get that answer. Unless your statement about updated version on the next gen console is confirmation that the current version is dead.

As for the money they did get. It was added to the books as income. It will be spent on expenses. So I believe they spent more then one cent of that profit on expenses for the PC version.

“Now that we are the console publisher, as an operational business and out of obligation to our investors and our hard working team (who need to provide for their families too) we have to evaluate the expense and risk of porting any future versions of the game to consoles relative to the income it could generate.”

I understand the need to provide for their families. But this statement is pretty much straight forward about the reason the update will never happen.

I am with Meganoth. Put me down for the next release. Just come clean about the current version.

 

[Roland]

You said they were excited to get into the console market.

Yes. And mission accomplished. They did it.

You said they didnt need the money.....

....for continued PC game development. Please finish the sentence because it matters. Skillz was attempting to demonize TFP by speculating a parasitic relationship between them and poor unsuspecting console players.

Now that they have the rights back and could actually support console we are told they dont have the experience with console or the financial resources to support console.

Correct. But it isn’t just now that they don’t have the resources to do it. They never ever have had the resources. They have the money to develop the PC version but not the PC Version AND the console version concurrently.

So what happened between this excitement for money that isnt really need and sorry we dont have the resources to support or aid console?

What I already said. Telltale disappeared. Telltale was handling everything that TFP couldn’t do on their own. While Telltale was around TFP was able to continue to focus on what they knew how to do. Looking at TFP’s day to day work, nothing has changed for them since they always continued to work on PC the entire time except some minimal support when requested by Iron Galaxy.

How is TFP supposed to split resources to do PC and console development? In order to be fiscally responsible they would need more money to do it all. I’m not sure why you can’t see the changed circumstances from when they first received the opportunity to do this and now. I’m not sure why you can’t understand that they had enough money to do one version themselves but not enough money to do both versions themselves.

I can accept that it is next gen console, just need to have TFP say that. Unfortunately until PC goes gold we wont get that answer. Unless your statement about updated version on the next gen console is confirmation that the current version is dead.

Well, I can’t give official statements regarding this but unofficially I can tell you that the ambiguity of their statement is meant to allow them to keep their options open but the reality is almost certainly the current version is done and any further console work will be a new reboot on the next gen systems. Even then I doubt they will attempt to self publish (for the reasons I’ve already outlined) and will seek a new partner— and that creates uncertainty as well.

As for the money they did get. It was added to the books as income. It will be spent on expenses. So I believe they spent more then one cent of that profit on expenses for the PC version.

Well, of course it is all mixed together. The point is they haven’t yet run out of PC game income so the idea that we are leeching off of console players to get faster PC updates is...ya....

“Now that we are the console publisher, as an operational business and out of obligation to our investors and our hard working team (who need to provide for their families too) we have to evaluate the expense and risk of porting any future versions of the game to consoles relative to the income it could generate.”
I understand the need to provide for their families. But this statement is pretty much straight forward about the reason the update will never happen.

I am with Meganoth. Put me down for the next release. Just come clean about the current version.

You grokked their meaning. What do they need to come clean about? They can’t do both versions themselves and be financially responsible. It was only ever possible when they had a partner. Without that partner it isn’t possible once again.

 

[Roland]

I haven't decided on game nr.2 yet, it could be a voxel-free Skyrim clone in the worst case. TFP, please mark my $25 as 7D2D money. Up to 10% can be used as lunch money, but only if said lunch money has 4% food poisoning chance. Same chance for everyone :cocksure:

No good. Joel has everyone constantly chewing Flintstone vitamins in between eating protein bars. Company policy.

 

[meganoth]

You said they were excited to get into the console market. You said they didnt need the money. Now that they have the rights back and could actually support console we are told they dont have the experience with console or the financial resources to support console. So what happened between this excitement for money that isnt really need and sorry we dont have the resources to support or aid console?
I can accept that it is next gen console, just need to have TFP say that. Unfortunately until PC goes gold we wont get that answer. Unless your statement about updated version on the next gen console is confirmation that the current version is dead.

As for the money they did get. It was added to the books as income. It will be spent on expenses. So I believe they spent more then one cent of that profit on expenses for the PC version.

“Now that we are the console publisher, as an operational business and out of obligation to our investors and our hard working team (who need to provide for their families too) we have to evaluate the expense and risk of porting any future versions of the game to consoles relative to the income it could generate.”

I understand the need to provide for their families. But this statement is pretty much straight forward about the reason the update will never happen.

I am with Meganoth. Put me down for the next release. Just come clean about the current version.

I probably have expressed myself ambiguously if you think I have a different opinion than Roland. I actually don't see anything important left unsaid. My previous post was just a likewise reply to Rolands joke.

 

[Freestyle604]

Correct. But it isnآ’t just now that they donآ’t have the resources to do it. They never ever have had the resources. They have the money to develop the PC version but not the PC Version AND the console version concurrently.

Well, I canآ’t give official statements regarding this but unofficially I can tell you that the ambiguity of their statement is meant to allow them to keep their options open but the reality is almost certainly the current version is done and any further console work will be a new reboot on the next gen systems. Even then I doubt they will attempt to self publish (for the reasons Iآ’ve already outlined) and will seek a new partnerآ— and that creates uncertainty as well.

You grokked their meaning. What do they need to come clean about? They canآ’t do both versions themselves and be financially responsible. It was only ever possible when they had a partner. Without that partner it isnآ’t possible once again.

These 3 statements sum it up about what they need to come clean about. The current version of console they bought is DEAD.

If they never had the resources to do both versions concurrently they why tell us TFP might do an update after TFP get the rights back, if you clearly donآ’t have the resources to do both projects. From the TellTale update post.

Why be vague and act like you are going to support console. Kicking the can down the road until PC goes gold to finally come clean with the current version of console. From the most recent console update post.

Everything being said sounds like the current version is dead. That is my only complaint now, rather then telling us its over. We get the after PC goes gold we will find out the current version. Which I think we all agree is done.

I just seems like TFP have had a few opportunities to tell us the current version is done. They havenآ’t said it.

Based upon the facts you and Sylen provided. Why would you THINK TFP would keep the door open on an option that clearly isnt going to happen?

 

[Brian9824]

These 3 statements sum it up about what they need to come clean about. The current version of console they bought is DEAD.
If they never had the resources to do both versions concurrently they why tell us TFP might do an update after TFP get the rights back, if you clearly donآ’t have the resources to do both projects. From the TellTale update post.

Why be vague and act like you are going to support console. Kicking the can down the road until PC goes gold to finally come clean with the current version of console. From the most recent console update post.

Everything being said sounds like the current version is dead. That is my only complaint now, rather then telling us its over. We get the after PC goes gold we will find out the current version. Which I think we all agree is done.

I just seems like TFP have had a few opportunities to tell us the current version is done. They havenآ’t said it.

Based upon the facts you and Sylen provided. Why would you THINK TFP would keep the door open on an option that clearly isnt going to happen?

Because it still might happen. Another company could approach them, decisions can change, etc. They made it damn clear in their post

https://7daystodie.com/console-news/

They explained that they are not console developers and explicitly said

As you can see, this is not an easy problem to solve. We are exploring all options that would eventually deliver a new version of 7 Days to consoles but this would likely happen after the PC version has gone gold and could end up being an entirely new product or on the next console.

It's not just a matter of resources. They could hire people with console experience and spend the time and money but that will take away from the development of the PC version which is their primary focus. The reason the TTG partnership was even done was the fact that they were going to do all of that themselves with minimal impact to PC development.

They are not being vague at all and are being incredibly clear. They also aren't going to say it will never happen because they could be approached tomorrow by another studio who wants to develop it, and things change. Hence why businesses never speak in absolutes.

I mean heck, for all we know the PS5 dev kit of the new x-box dev kit might make porting from Unity easier, Sony/Microsoft could change their stance on save games being broken, etc. Anything could change, hence why you always keep your options open

 

[Freestyle604]

Because it still might happen. Another company could approach them, decisions can change, etc. They made it damn clear in their post
https://7daystodie.com/console-news/

They explained that they are not console developers and explicitly said

It's not just a matter of resources. They could hire people with console experience and spend the time and money but that will take away from the development of the PC version which is their primary focus. The reason the TTG partnership was even done was the fact that they were going to do all of that themselves with minimal impact to PC development.

They are not being vague at all and are being incredibly clear. They also aren't going to say it will never happen because they could be approached tomorrow by another studio who wants to develop it, and things change. Hence why businesses never speak in absolutes.

I mean heck, for all we know the PS5 dev kit of the new x-box dev kit might make porting from Unity easier, Sony/Microsoft could change their stance on save games being broken, etc. Anything could change, hence why you always keep your options open

LMAO, do you really believe what you posted?

I read their post and the only آ“damnآ” thing that made clear is nothing is going to happen until the PC goes gold. TFP dont even know when that is going to happen.

The money for the current version has been made and if TFP dont feel the risk is worth it, then no one else will think the financial risk is worth it. Seems to me we all understand the issue, MONEY. I get it. I just think making us wait for PC to go gold is wrong, at least for the current console version. I am all aboard the next version and ponying up money for the next one, IF that happens. I fully understand they might not want to make another run at console.

I agree anything could have happened. The fact is that time has long since passed for the current version. When PC goes gold, you will see they will tell us the current version is dead, or maybe to keep hoping. At some point TFP will say it. Sorry, but I stand by the come clean on the update for the current version of console. I get people are going to cry about it. But the truth hurts sometimes.

Still dont understand that broken save game statement. Every update I downloaded for my 7D2D console version required me to restart a new world to get the new update features.

 

[SylenThunder]

...Still dont understand that broken save game statement. Every update I downloaded for my 7D2D console version required me to restart a new world to get the new update features.

You can still play your save on the update though. If they updated to current PC build, it would absolutely render all saves invalid completely. That's a huge difference from just not having all the new features, but being able to continue your save.