PC Why no one is doing anything for 7 days to die

[Freestyle604]

I forgot to reply to this earlier. This statement is wholly false.
I do actually have and play the console version on the PS4. I have been supporting the console version since it came out. In this very forum Claire and myself have been your largest supporters.

I'm just not clouded by some misconception on what's really happening, and I'm not going to give you false hopes.

You guys have an issue understanding what all is involved with doing a console port. No matter how many times I lay it all out, my words fall on deaf ears.

If you can't accept reality, I'm sorry.

So what’s really happening? I mean I feel like when TFP tell us they might do something after PC goes gold. What are we supposed to think? They might do something or like you said the current console version is dead.

I agree we might not fully understand the porting process, but that is what Iron Galaxy is for. If you are telling me TTG could do a port and then push out updates I have to believe TFP can do the same thing. Pretty sure if TFP paid IG for the port things would move forward. But reality is this cost money, we all know that.

I think the reality is TFP won’t say its over. Your words don’t fall on death ears.

Post it, tell us the current version of console is dead. You wont, TFP wont, so we are stuck here. Dont blame some of us for the fact TFP are the ones kicking the can down the road.

I said it months ago 8-2-2019 RIP.

POST IT.

 

[Freestyle604]

If you understand the process you wouldn't have made any of that post. Pretty sure they thought Telltale would publish the game as early access, which would give them (iron galaxy, TFP only gave them content from the PC. It was up to IG to actually DO the conversion to consoles) more freedom to make procedural updates, not sell it as a complete game, which put it in a stricter ruleset. Telltale went bankrupt for a reason. The only mistake TFP did was pick Telltale, but that's business. The anger of console players is mainly due to lack of knowledge in how much a restrictive PITA console development/publishing has become -- bluntly put, but it's the truth. It WASN'T their fault. I, myself, was angry over it, until I did some looking into it and discovered more of the truth behind it and just feel bad for the situation. But, I digress, if you wish to remain angry at the wrong people for the wrong reasons, carry on. But you're looking at the wrong tip of the wrong iceberg, and failing to see the rest of the iceberg to begin with lol.

I am not angry with TFP. Just a correction and question for you.

Correction - TFP knew exactly what TTG Publishing was doing. They gave them their own forum section and had a contract. TFP didn’t pick TTG Publishing. TTG Publishing approached TFP, TFP mistake was not knowing TTG would go up for Assignment (CA version of bankruptcy, but not bankruptcy). At which point TFP posted that they revoked the rights of updates and sequels from TTGs contract. I have done quite a bit of research myself on this whole ordeal.

Question would be. Are you saying that if TFP asked IG to do the update IG would “actually DO the conversion to consoles”? So TFP really wouldn’t have to do much other then provide code.

My disappointmet in TFP is they could easily tell us the current console version is dead. Future versions could be possible but until new consoles are out, no idea what will happen until then. Pretty straight forward truth. But I agree some will be unhappy no matter what is said. So unfortunately until PC goes gold this is what we get.

 

[Dernagon]

TLDR see my last sentence.

My main point got pushed to the side a bit there or was misunderstood. For $500 (roughly) I will be able to buy a brand new PS5 or Xbox Scarlett next year. A console that (short of a hardware failure) should last the next 5-10 years without ever touching anything again or spending any additional money for upgrades.

Even if you could technically build a PC today for the same price (conveniently ignoring the cost of Windows and peripherals btw) it would barely run modern games decently. You'd easily spend that much again within 1-2 years just to keep upgrading it. During the life of the average modern console you would likely spend that $500 another 2, 3, 4 more times?

For someone like me who is busy with very regular work travel I just want to come home and play a game. Not fuss with constant patches and upgrades. Spent most of the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s building gaming PCs and I switched to consoles for that reason.

Hell for me the Nintendo Switch would be ideal except it doesn't really cater to my gaming genre preferences very much if at all.

And no a laptop isn't particularly practical either. At least not a good enough one to actually game on for any reasonable price.

Anyway, I'm not arguing that PC isn't superior in most technological ways, it absolutely is. I'm arguing that... well that point doesn't really matter. For me what little free time and or money I might have is better spent maximizing as much gaming as possible.

Basically the typical PC argument is spend 3-4 times the price for higher quality graphics for some lesser amount of hours on actual gaming. I would simply rather spend less money and fuss time to play the same games (more or less) at admittedly lower graphics.

Will I miss out on some amazing PC games? Yep most certainly.

Do I care? Nope.

Bottomline. The few hours when I'm not working, cooking, cleaning, or taking care of kids sure as hell isn't going to be spent on paying extra for the privilege of performing some mundane and never ending PC maintenance rather than in a game having fun.

 

[Jugginator]

I mean... the thing people miss out on is you have to pay for their premium services, and a PC will last ya longer than consoles do. Just saying. people forget about havign to pay the console extortion fee. Not trying to convince ya though

 

[SylenThunder]

I mean... the thing people miss out on is you have to pay for their premium services, and a PC will last ya longer than consoles do. Just saying. people forget about havign to pay the console extortion fee. Not trying to convince ya though

This is literally one of the main reasons I barely play on my PS4 anymore. I got sick and tired of the PS-Plus extortion.

 

[Jugginator]

This is literally one of the main reasons I barely play on my PS4 anymore. I got sick and tired of the PS-Plus extortion.

Yeah... it's really sad what consoles have devolved into. I convinced my friend t ocheck out the PC world, even just Steam. it's free, has all the features of the PS plus, and has the sales lol. His mind was blown.

 

[Freestyle604]

So what’s really happening? I mean I feel like when TFP tell us they might do something after PC goes gold. What are we supposed to think? They might do something or like you said the current console version is dead.
I agree we might not fully understand the porting process, but that is what Iron Galaxy is for. If you are telling me TTG could do a port and then push out updates I have to believe TFP can do the same thing. Pretty sure if TFP paid IG for the port things would move forward. But reality is this cost money, we all know that.

I think the reality is TFP won’t say its over. Your words don’t fall on death ears.

Post it, tell us the current version of console is dead. You wont, TFP wont, so we are stuck here. Dont blame some of us for the fact TFP are the ones kicking the can down the road.

I said it months ago 8-2-2019 RIP.

POST IT.

So Sylen, Can you educate us on this complex process of porting the update? Or when you say you don’t want to give us false hopes do you know something you don’t want to share with us?

As some have posted that IG actually does the port, so other then the fact it will cost money. Which most of us have asked about a kickstarter, to see if we can offset the cost to TFP.

Maybe you could explain it so we do understand. Or do our requests fall on deaf ears.

 

[Jugginator]

So Sylen, Can you educate us on this complex process of porting the update? Or when you say you don’t want to give us false hopes do you know something you don’t want to share with us?
As some have posted that IG actually does the port, so other then the fact it will cost money. Which most of us have asked about a kickstarter, to see if we can offset the cost to TFP.

Maybe you could explain it so we do understand. Or do our requests fall on deaf ears.

Dude there are stickied posts with this info lol. If you can't find it, "Hey Google, what makes porting and updating games on consoles so complicated?"

 

[edigoon]

The only thing i need to know about 7 Days and Console is:

Imagine:

let's say in 2 years, there will be a team that will port the game to console

maybe it will be A20.

will the console get an update to the same version or will they have

to buy the game again?

 

[SylenThunder]

So Sylen, Can you educate us on this complex process of porting the update? Or when you say you don’t want to give us false hopes do you know something you don’t want to share with us?
As some have posted that IG actually does the port, so other then the fact it will cost money. Which most of us have asked about a kickstarter, to see if we can offset the cost to TFP.

Maybe you could explain it so we do understand. Or do our requests fall on deaf ears.

First, TFP has to strike a new contract with IG. This will require lawyers, and several months of deliberation. Just this alone will cost a few mil.

Second, IG will need to resume work on the port. Do they have the same team members that worked on it before? If so that will be easier. Otherwise they will almost be starting over from scratch. Just to finish the current build that was almost ready for release will take several months, and will cost several million dollars.

Then once that happens, do they continue? Do they just drop it there? These kinds of things would have been negotiated back in the first step. It does not make sense to spend several million dollars just to release a patch though.

Which leads us to the other issue...

The only thing i need to know about 7 Days and Console is:Imagine:

let's say in 2 years, there will be a team that will port the game to console

maybe it will be A20.

will the console get an update to the same version or will they have

to buy the game again?

Say they decide to continue and work into aligning the console to the final build. This is going to take a couple of years, and won't be released until after TFP have finished the original PC game. (This is really the next step, because after finishing the next update, any new updates hat aren't hotfixes for current code would require a new save.)

The issue with all of this is that it will break current saves. Both Sony and Microshaft have a rule set against this. So they would be unable to update the current version without designing a new process for keeping the old format semi-compatible. Which will take a lot of time and several million dollars. So in order to release the actual finished version, this will likely require a second game release.

Thank you TTG for ♥♥♥♥ing over console players on this one by announcing an Alpha build as a finished product.

Now after all of that is considered, you have the primary consideration before you even go onto any of this. Money.

Will continued support of the console port be financially feasible?

If TFP goes into this process and spends 30 million dollars on it, is there any chance of recouping that cost? They are a small indie developer. They don't have that kind of money to just throw away. Much research into sales forecasts will need to be done to determine if this will end up at least breaking even. And that also costs money.

So once again, I have given you a detailed description, but kept it simple enough for most people to understand. This is just the tip of what all is involved in doing a port. If you want more details, Google is your friend. I don't know why so many people have a problem using it for finding out simple information.

 

[Brian9824]

Thank you TTG for ♥♥♥♥ing over console players on this one by announcing an Alpha build as a finished product.

That is the biggest issue I had. When it was first announced I was shocked and confused TTG was calling it a finished product. It was a really crappy move on their part.

Second, IG will need to resume work on the port. Do they have the same team members that worked on it before? If so that will be easier. Otherwise they will almost be starting over from scratch. Just to finish the current build that was almost ready for release will take several months, and will cost several million dollars.

Then once that happens, do they continue? Do they just drop it there? These kinds of things would have been negotiated back in the first step. It does not make sense to spend several million dollars just to release a patch though.

That's not even counting the issue that IG is not a publisher as far as im aware. So they would still need a company to actually manufacture, ship, etc or undertake the publishing aspect of the game which is totally separate from the porting aspect. Theoretically TFP could do it themselves, but they don't have the staff for that so it would be more expenses and time.

 

[graphite]

The problem is most people who are really upset have sunk countless hours in the game and as there isn't another game quite like 7DTD so i guess some feel like they cant transfer to something else.

TTG management have really mishandled the situation and feel bad for people who's employment has been put at risk or worse.

Saying that the game was well worth the money IMO and is proberly the best value for money game i have bought on console.

It makes no sense to invest time and money into patching 7dtd on ps4 and X1 , and no one has mentioned who owns the sourcecode for the entire game even if it exists now.

Do people honestly think it's going to happen ?

Nothing is going to happen anytime soon regards a new 7DTD console game i'm guessing it will be nextgen if at all.

On the console version i spent time reporting bugs and made a small guide on SI pathing shortcircuiting and sunk many hours into the game but i'm not mad at TFP.

I had fun with the game got moneys worth many times over.

Lucky for me i have and fairly old i7 that can run the pc version on mid settings and have recently started playing A18.

I bought the pc version around a15 but wanted the ease of the console so didn't really play it until A18 dropped.

Now i'm thinking why didn't i switch earlier as its no real hassle playing on pc plus all the benefits.

I understand if people cant afford to spend £400+ on a refurb min spec pc that may not be futureproof for many years (~2012 quadcore i5 with >=8gb ram and a gtx1600 should last a couple of years though).

I encourage you to put your energy into something else as this is going nowhere.

 

[SylenThunder]

That's not even counting the issue that IG is not a publisher as far as im aware. So they would still need a company to actually manufacture, ship, etc or undertake the publishing aspect of the game which is totally separate from the porting aspect. Theoretically TFP could do it themselves, but they don't have the staff for that so it would be more expenses and time.

I believe TFP would do it themselves. This brings a whole other new line of costs and lawyer fees I didn't mention.

It makes no sense to invest time and money into patching 7dtd on ps4 and X1 , and no one has mentioned who owns the sourcecode for the entire game even if it exists now.

TFP should have this now. It's what TTG was holding on to, that TFP spent months fighting to get.

 

[graphite]

I reread what i posted and reading what Sylen has quoted me on i kind of look like i dont care and don't think the game was worth continuing with.

I do care and before TTG collapsed thought there was going to be a few major updates before the consoles hit a brickwall and then some time hopefully spent optimising but like to iterate that after losing the publisher it doesn't make sense to continue at this time.

Sorry if i didn't make myself clear in the first place.

 

[skillz_over_9000]

That is the biggest issue I had. When it was first announced I was shocked and confused TTG was calling it a finished product. It was a really crappy move on their part.


No worse than TFP selling the rights to a game nowhere near being completed. TFP sold the rights to build the pc version while TTG sold for pure profit. Both companies screwed console players in the end

 

[Liesel Weppen]

let's say in 2 years, there will be a team that will port the game to console

maybe it will be A20.

will the console get an update to the same version or will they have

to buy the game again?

Clear answer: It depends.

Afaik the ps4 version was not sold as an developing alpha but as a final product. So you shouldn't have any expactation on updates. You bought a final version. If you're not confident with that version, you shouldn't have bought it. There is no such thing like developing Early Access on PS4.

People are ALWAYS complaining. On the PC-version they complain about they don't like the recent changes of the current version, on consoles now they complain about not getting any changes.

And to be honest, the A15 version the console port was based on imho was a more complete game then some other "final" game releases.

I don't get it. You buy a game as it is in this moment... if you don't like it as it is at that moment, don't buy it. That also applies to the PC-version. If you buy alpha X and don't like alpha X+1, just continue playing alpha X. If you don't want a game to change, don't buy an alpha version. And the console version was even sold as "final", take it or leave it. IMHO.

The "best" is people complaining about recent changes after they already spent 1000s of hours into the previous version. What the hell do they expect? A lifetime support of fun excatly what they imagine for just paying 25$ once? I wonder what some people dream of while they are sleeping.

For PC-Users i'd say: Mod it. There are dozens of mods out there. For console players: At the time you bought the game you knew that there will be no mod support, so don't complain about missing mods!

Many people buy full price games at ~60$, play them for 50 hours and are absolutely satisfied. They even buy the "same" followup game next year with little changes for again full price of ~60$ and are lucky because they got a new version. WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥ IS THE PROBLEM WITH 7D2D THEN? You bought a game for only 25$, played it for hundrets of hours and still complain about not getting an update?

What makes you think you deserved an update?

Do you also go the cinema, pay 15$ to watch a movie and then complain about you want to watch another movie or the sequel without paying again? Because you paid already for the first movie?

I don't know how some people think, or if they even think at all. I paid ~25$ for A15 on PC. I spent only ~500 hours on 7d2d. Reading the forums that is even a very low value. But for sure it was one of the most cost effective game i ever bought.

How many hours did you console guys got entertained by buying the latest Call of Duty or other blockbuster games? For full price, just because you wanted to have it on release day? And you are still complaining about not getting an update on 7d2d. That's ridiculous.

Would you by a house which doesn't fit your needs and you know even before buying you need to completely rebuild it? No you wouldn't. Or buy a house under construction without knowing how it looks like if it is finished?

But why then are you buying a game under the same circumstances? Because it just costs 25$? If the price is the only reason, then shut up complaining. You bought stuff you have no idea about so deal with it if it doesn't meet your fantasy. You gambled, you lost.

Imho from A15 (as i started playing) the game could have been released as final. It just would have needed some bugfixing, but regards the content it's worth a full game. You can spend hundrets of hours playing it. Once you've spent 100s of hours, what exactly is the complain? Just want more? Because, Because, because you want to have more?

It is not yet final, because the devs decided it is not want they want to be final. Thats ist. Nothing more, nothing less. It is NOT YOUR decision. Deal with it.

 

[Roland]

That is the biggest issue I had. When it was first announced I was shocked and confused TTG was calling it a finished product. It was a really crappy move on their part.

They should have just stuck to that idea and not tried to keep the console version within the wake of the PC version. They should have just done a few bug fixing/ optimization updates and called it done. Console was supposed to be a finished standalone game based on the Alpha 14 version but they got too excited and tried to make it more.

 

[Roland]

The only thing i need to know about 7 Days and Console is:Imagine:

let's say in 2 years, there will be a team that will port the game to console

maybe it will be A20.

will the console get an update to the same version or will they have

to buy the game again?

If you read the press release it sounds very unlikely that a future console version of 7 Days to Die will come to current consoles. Most likely it will be a reboot on the next generation of consoles. So the answer is you will have to buy the next version.

 

[Brian9824]

No worse than TFP selling the rights to a game nowhere near being completed. TFP sold the rights to build the pc version while TTG sold for pure profit. Both companies screwed console players in the end

TFP selling the rights before it was done is perfectly normal. People sell movie rights before series or books are done for instance.

Also TFP never sold the rights to the PC version, assuming you meant console.

 

[skillz_over_9000]

TFP selling the rights before it was done is perfectly normal. People sell movie rights before series or books are done for instance.
Also TFP never sold the rights to the PC version, assuming you meant console.

No what i meant was TFP sold the console rights so that they could develop the PC with the money they received. I dont think it is any coincidence that PC received updates significantly quicker and more frequently following the sale of the console rights

Also unlike books, movies etc this game had/has no direction and was barely above a beta release. I can't think of a single game that was ported off an out of date, incomplete game other than this one honestly.