PC what's your pet peeve about the game?

[TotallyNotABot]

Speaking of which!

you know what REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS!

the Behemoth! this is more of a Dev pet peeve but! 

the reason why they said that the Behemoth could not be added was due to its size, pathing and the model....... 

ok pathing i can kinda understand becauses it seems everything in 7DTD can fit in a 1x2 Door. IE zombie bears!

but size.... just make it the size of the demolisher! it does not have to be the size of a building! it can still be as tough as a Building but make it smaller in size. but then it would not be called a Behemoth! ok call it something else. like a Tyrant or something!
 

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What is even the problem with the behemoth being big anyways? It’s not THAT big, only like 15 feet tall. And when added in game via mods, it can run around and attack stuff just fine.

And thats just with modders reusing animations and attacks. Imagine what it can be with its own special animations and attacks. Could do radial damage to blocks like an explosion when it punches. Or other cool stuff.

I’m a sucker for special infected, so when the behemoth was canceled, part of my soul legitimately withered away.

speaking of which, game could use a few more! Also I hate the spider zombie because it looks so low effort. Just a skinny dude that can moonwalk up walls. They should redesign its body and make it much more mutated and spider esc. And improve its animations.

 

[Adam the Waster]

What is even the problem with the behemoth being big anyways? It’s not THAT big, only like 15 feet tall. And when added in game via mods, it can run around and attack stuff just fine.

And thats just with modders reusing animations and attacks. Imagine what it can be with its own special animations and attacks. Could do radial damage to blocks like an explosion when it punches. Or other cool stuff.

I’m a sucker for special infected, so when the behemoth was canceled, part of my soul legitimately withered away.

speaking of which, game could use a few more! Also I hate the spider zombie because it looks so low effort. Just a skinny dude that can moonwalk up walls. They should redesign its body and make it much more mutated and spider esc. And improve its animations.

they can't climb anymore!

. just a super mutated zombie that moves on all 4s (or 6).  But i think there should be more. in A22 their will be the gasser! so yeah!

 

[Roland]

Let's check. Now on Twitch 5% of the number of players online (95% of people prefer to play rather than watch streams, an interesting figure, isn't it?) Let's see how this changes and calculate the average for the week

You act like watchers only watch and players only play. It wouldn't matter to me whether Lathan was the ONLY one who ever streamed the game and used the twitch integration. He is the dev who created it for himself and then pitched it to share with others. Your logic is all based on either/or scenarios that don't exist. People don't either watch or play. Twitch Integration doesn't either get added or changes to balance that you want get implemented.

My analogy is correct, yours is not. Integration is resources aimed at meeting the needs of a minority (5% above) instead of solving problems that affect all players

What resources? It was done in spare time, for free, as a side project by one of the developers. I suppose NOW that they are spending time on bug fixing it is using resources but very very cheap resources-- kinda like the cost of a cheap drive-in movie and the recreation with your date-- which is free (for me at least).  Your analogy uses very expensive upgrades to that clunker that add lights and sound but not a lot of interaction whereas my analogy adds interpersonal interaction (for me at least). I bet people would agree that my analogy is the better fit.

The difference between us is that I confirm my numbers directly or indirectly

Mostly the second one I'm betting....

A significant part of the good A20 changes were canceled, but there is Twitch.

This is not "purely selfish and petty anger", this is common sense

Can you show what direct  or indirect source you used for this assertion? Since only three of the 20 items listed have been pushed to A21, was it Water, Outfits, or Wandering Sleepers you were most interested in? And since 3 out of 20 is not of itself significant, it means whichever of those three features you were hanging A20's success upon is probably not all that significant either. As for good, I agree that all of those changes will be good although the Outfit change is pretty controversial so there really is no consensus on whether that one is actually one of the good changes.

 

[Adam the Waster]

Can you show what direct  or indirect source you used for this assertion? Since only three of the 20 items listed have been pushed to A21, was it Water, Outfits, or Wandering Sleepers you were most interested in? And since 3 out of 20 is not of itself significant, it means whichever of those three features you were hanging A20's success upon is probably not all that significant either. As for good, I agree that all of those changes will be good although the Outfit change is pretty controversial so there really is no consensus on whether that one is actually one of the good changes.

i thought that the zombies crawling through the 1X1 block was also delayed!

 

[bachgaman]

Can you show what direct  or indirect source you used for this assertion? Since only three of the 20 items listed have been pushed to A21, was it Water, Outfits, or Wandering Sleepers you were most interested in? And since 3 out of 20 is not of itself significant, it means whichever of those three features you were hanging A20's success upon is probably not all that significant either. As for good, I agree that all of those changes will be good although the Outfit change is pretty controversial so there really is no consensus on whether that one is actually one of the good changes.

LOL, have you been looking for something to cling to in a message consisting of several sentences for 40 minutes? After all, you added it after 40 minutes. Bravo

A significant part - not a large part, but a significant one. You understand? I hope I can express the meaning of my words

Well, if you don’t understand what I’m talking about, I’ll give you a list. By the way, I see a strange list of 20 groups, but they are very strangely formed. For example, bad armor changes are in the same group as bandits. Why is that?

• Zombies can crawl through 1-meter holes
  
• Wandering Sleepers
  

Foundation for Bandits

Water Overhaul - Pushed to A21

Don't you think this is a significant part? All of these updates were some of the best on the list. 

In addition, I would venture to suggest that many players in general expected many other changes besides this list. Small changes but pleasant. Such as listed in the post answered by faatal

 

[Roland]

LOL, have you been looking for something to cling to in a message consisting of several sentences for 40 minutes? After all, you added it after 40 minutes. Bravo

No, I left and then came back and added that part. Thanks for the cheer.

A significant part - not a large part, but a significant one. You understand? I hope I can express the meaning of my words

Significance is subjective as is "good". The fact is that most of what was planned for A20 is still going to be delivered for A20 and the small portion that is currently showing as delayed is not cancelled but is just not going to make it in time.  They will continue to be worked on and released when they are ready. The devs didn't want to significantly delay A20 beyond its current timeline. 

Well, if you don’t understand what I’m talking about, I’ll give you a list. By the way, I see a strange list of 20 groups, but they are very strangely formed. For example, bad armor changes are in the same group as bandits. Why is that?

Because what that bullet point means is that the outfit changes will be a foundation for how bandits will appear. All work done on player characters is foundation for bandit work. Player animations, player models, player appearance-- all will be used as well for bandits so in working on these features to improve the players in the world they are also benefitting bandits being implemented into the game. Bandits as a category was never listed for A20 because the developers knew there was no chance of bandits making it in time for A20. "Foundation for bandits" as a subcategory of outfits is a descriptive informational piece to let people know one of the reasons for the outfit overhaul.

Don't you think this is a significant part? All of these updates were some of the best on the list. 

They are important obviously but definitely not critical. The game is currently just fine without those. We have the legacy outfit feature that the game has had for years and trust me when I say that whenever a new AI behavior is introduced it is never received with 100% joy and thanks. These sorts of changes always polarize the community. I'm fine with delaying all the "Stealth is RUINED!" threads and "Bases are impossible now!!!" threads for another iteration when they can finish those AI changes. Water has never worked and expectations for some kind of miraculous flowing water with currents and waterfalls should seriously be curtailed. At this point they are going for basic water that doesn't leave holes or destroy performance.

In my opinion, the best updates are the RWG changes including player made changes persisting and showing up in distant terrain, all of the new primitive weapons, all of the new exploration content, and the new shape menu and building changes as well as the optimizations and performance gains. I'm interested to see how the drone affects gameplay as well.

In addition, I would venture to suggest that many players in general expected many other changes besides this list. Small changes but pleasant. Such as listed in the post answered by faatal

And they won't be disappointed. There are features not mentioned in that list that are going in. They may reveal them or they may not but you can't include possible unrevealed and unknown changes not talked about as good things that have been cancelled. They can't be cancelled if you don't even know about them...

i thought that the zombies crawling through the 1X1 block was also delayed!

It is. It shows as such in the OP post for the dev diary.

 

[Adam the Waster]

It is. It shows as such in the OP post for the dev diary.

ik but you didn't say that!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
im going to take your job now!

 

[bachgaman]

Significance is subjective as is "good". The fact is that most of what was planned for A20 is still going to be delivered for A20 and the small portion that is currently showing as delayed is not cancelled but is just not going to make it in time.  They will continue to be worked on and released when they are ready. The devs didn't want to significantly delay A20 beyond its current timeline. 

Very convenient, but all opinions are subjective, did you know? Postponed for years, it's like canceled

Because what that bullet point means is that the outfit changes will be a foundation for how bandits will appear. All work done on player characters is foundation for bandit work. Player animations, player models, player appearance-- all will be used as well for bandits so in working on these features to improve the players in the world they are also benefitting bandits being implemented into the game. Bandits as a category was never listed for A20 because the developers knew there was no chance of bandits making it in time for A20. "Foundation for bandits" as a subcategory of outfits is a descriptive informational piece to let people know one of the reasons for the outfit overhaul.

Thank you for the clarification

They are important obviously but definitely not critical. The game is currently just fine without those. We have the legacy outfit feature that the game has had for years and trust me when I say that whenever a new AI behavior is introduced it is never received with 100% joy and thanks. These sorts of changes always polarize the community. I'm fine with delaying all the "Stealth is RUINED!" threads and "Bases are impossible now!!!" threads for another iteration when they can finish those AI changes. Water has never worked and expectations for some kind of miraculous flowing water with currents and waterfalls should seriously be curtailed. At this point they are going for basic water that doesn't leave holes or destroy performance.

In my opinion, the best updates are the RWG changes including player made changes persisting and showing up in distant terrain, all of the new primitive weapons, all of the new exploration content, and the new shape menu and building changes as well as the optimizations and performance gains. I'm interested to see how the drone affects gameplay as well.

I agree, the game currently works fine without them, but also without other changes. Otherwise, people would not love this game. But I think people would like to have a new gaming experience, not just a new one that replaces the old one, but rather a deeper old experience. This is an important thought. Many people already like the game, but there are many disadvantages. It is necessary to correct old faults more often than to produce new ones. 3 of the 4 listed changes fix deficiencies. 1 breeds new ones. Ideally.

Personally, I'd happy to see AI improvements instead of Twitch integration, since now the zeds are very predictable and it is quite easy to defend during the blood moon. Largely due to the imbalance of pipe bombs. They could make them more expensive and add block damage, reduce zombie damage at least. Only demolishers create problems (because they are not activating by the pipe bombs and grenades btw)

And they won't be disappointed. There are features not mentioned in that list that are going in. They may reveal them or they may not but you can't include possible unrevealed and unknown changes not talked about as good things that have been cancelled. They can't be cancelled if you don't even know about them...

This is good news, but there could have been more such changes. I hope there is balancing among them.

On the other hand, I haven't seen anything like Twitch integration in any game. It can become a part of charm of the game and attract a lot of people. Over the long haul, this will work well. In general, this is an very interesting feature

 

[Roland]

huh, what? Sorry, I was watching Shroud on Twitch. Just one of 20,000+ viewers...

 

[ShellHead]

Twitch integration is much simpler and much quicker to do than AI improvements and I personally wouldn’t assume that TI requires the same devs as AI coding. I doubt TFP would be making TI now if it actually took away from core development.

 

[bachgaman]

huh, what? Sorry, I was watching Shroud on Twitch. Just one of 20,000+ viewers...

Wow, the CSGO streamer of the top3 channel on youtube took a look at 7 Days. Perfectly.

Does he play the vanilla version?

Does he use Twitch integration?



Btw I bet his 20k viewers are 7 days to die players (sarcasm)

Let's go check again over the weekend... or would that ruin your wet fantasies....?

We dont need to wait for the weekend. There is information here. 95th position. 2800 viewers on average. https://sullygnome.com/games/watched

 

[Roland]

Wow, the CSGO streamer of the top3 channel on youtube took a look at 7 Days. Perfectly.

Does he play the vanilla version?

Does he use Twitch integration?



Btw I bet his 20k viewers are 7 days to die players (sarcasm)

It’s modded. So...?

I doubt he knows about it but good thing it’s there for him if he decides to use it. Whew!

Twitch integration is much simpler and much quicker to do than AI improvements and I personally wouldn’t assume that TI requires the same devs as AI coding. I doubt TFP would be making TI now if it actually took away from core development.

 Of course it is but Bach has to frame such things as either/or in order to strengthen his speculations about what will be in A20 and what will not.  So what if Latham would have had nothing to do with AI changes and did the twitch integration on his own time. It helps fan the flames to say “We got twitch integration instead of AI changes”. Especially, since there are those who view streamers as natural punching bags anyway. 

 

[ShellHead]

Wow, the CSGO streamer of the top3 channel on youtube took a look at 7 Days. Perfectly.

Does he play the vanilla version?

Does he use Twitch integration?



Btw I bet his 20k viewers are 7 days to die players (sarcasm)

We can’t wait for the weekend. There is information here. 95th position. 2800 viewers on average. https://sullygnome.com/games/watched

I’m not really sure why you’re so bent out of shape about this and the hostility and condescension are completely unnecessary. The game is not going without for the sake of twitch streaming and it seems weird to think that.

 

[bachgaman]

It’s modded. So...?

I doubt he knows about it but good thing it’s there for him if he decides to use it. Whew!

You didn't answer about twitch integration 

 

[theFlu]

You didn't answer about twitch integration 

How would Roland "doubt he knows about it" if Roland had seen him use it?

 

[bachgaman]

How would Roland "doubt he knows about it" if Roland had seen him use it?

I thought it was about modification. I think the streamer did not know about the modification.

 

[Maharin]

 

[Cpt Krunch]

The loss of biomes to make rooms for better textures or other things is starting to hurt. Im a modder, and i just feel more and more restricted as new versions are released. Its been a great run with this excellent game, but I feel like im running out of interesting options for my maps. I will keep working through till final version, but I can honestly see my self going back to A17 in order to get the custom biomes back. Burnt biome is going now too, we are essentially down to 3 biomes and waste for cities and towns. I wish there was a good way to kill microsplat and bring back custom biomes.

 

[Laz Man]

Guys, your missing the big picture with the twitch integration.  Not saying it will happen with 100% certainty but didn't MM mention a while back they wanted a better game event system to handle things such as wandering hordes?

Oh wait, we have a robust game event system now with the twitch integration.....hrmmm

In pimps we trust.....

 

[Jost Amman]

@bachgaman LOL, you're surely acting according to your new avatar picture!  :biggrin1: