PC Very bad Random Gen

No, it's not a problem because the guy who does RWG has stated in this very thread that he is going to fix it. Everything else is just hand-wringing and staring nervously at the sky.

 
No, it's not a problem because the guy who does RWG has stated in this very thread that he is going to fix it. Everything else is just hand-wringing and staring nervously at the sky.
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The guy didn't say that in post #2, though, so there was a discussion about RWG. Now there is a discussion about the discussion about RWG. Meta.
 
Don't live in the past. It's going to be fixed, so further elaborating on why current RWG is broken is a moot point.

 
Don't live in the past. It's going to be fixed, so further elaborating on why current RWG is broken is a moot point.
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That's why I'm not talking about it. I'm talking about talking about it. And so are you.
Actually talking about it is, however, perfectly fine, at least up to the point where you get developer feedback. Isn't it? Should we not talk about RWG and it's flaws, because there's a rumour floating around that someone might have fixed something?

 
Isn't that actually (kinda) the attitude of those who, instead of actually playing the new release, go straight to modding, and when people provide feedback about issues try to overrule them with "hue hue someone found out how to mod it, so it's not problem"..?
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I wouldn't know, because I did both.

My server is completely vanilla. We chose to do so, so we can decide WHAT to mod.

...but that hasn't stopped me from modding.

 
I wouldn't know, because I did both.
My server is completely vanilla. We chose to do so, so we can decide WHAT to mod.

...but that hasn't stopped me from modding.
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So you play vanilla to mod?
What is your overall issue with people providing feedback? I mean, "it can be modded" is a valuable information, particularly when it's being shared how it's actually done. But still it's not just fine and normal that after the release of a new alpha people will applaud and complain about new features, it is valuable information that I understand as requested by the devs. To see how we like what they did, why we like and dislike it, so the game can be further improved.

Is there anything wrong with that, and if so, what exactly?

 
I've zero problem with feedback.

I've lots of problems with "it sucks, your game is failing, tfp will go bankrupt if you don't fix it exactly the way I say, and i speak for everyone! Oh, and you shouldn't have released an opt-in experimental that's unfinished!".

...but nice attempt to rewrite the narrative here with your feeble straw man argument, kub.

 
That's why I'm not talking about it. I'm talking about talking about it. And so are you.
Actually talking about it is, however, perfectly fine, at least up to the point where you get developer feedback. Isn't it? Should we not talk about RWG and it's flaws, because there's a rumour floating around that someone might have fixed something?
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You quoted the post from the dev who made the system who said directly that he will fix it, so you are either fishing for a debate like you always do, or you are being deliberately obtuse by using the term "rumor". My money is on the former.

Everybody knows the current iteration of RWG is broken, and it's been acknowledged that it will be addressed. What more do you want? A retroactive fix? A written apology in blood?

 
And the best part is they all but removed ANY way for modders to bring any of it back in a meaningful way. So you ask me to trust but I have to respond with a "not this time" because all Im seeing so far is streamlining.
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I beg to differ.

There are more ways than ever to mod the game, and if you really must cling to the old systems then it can be done.

Sure not with just an xml mod or a few sdx mods chucked together, but the sole reason I still play and mod this game is because you can essentially do ANYTHING with it.

I mean just look at medieval for a16. Many parts of that would have been considered impossible by most modders. You just need to know what you are doing :p

 
Just wait until the experimental update comes that isn’t compatible with the past ones and everyone must restart. The weeping hasn’t begun. Oh and guess what fix in particular always requires a full clean and restart? (Look at the thread title).

 
I am looking forward to the restart.

Have been happy to be able to play and test A17e, many changes and reworked structural framework, that should bring a way better experience when more content gets added to the framework.

Upgrade random gen would be icing if that comes with the next build.

 
The RWG is really buggy right now. I'd say give them some time to fix it before making judgement calls, such as 'new RWG is terrible'.

On that note, I've seen some wicked cool seeds in the official Discord server. Just gotta get lucky, I guess.

 
Just wait until the experimental update comes that isn’t compatible with the past ones and everyone must restart. The weeping hasn’t begun. Oh and guess what fix in particular always requires a full clean and restart? (Look at the thread title).
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Technically, that shouldn't be the case anymore though right? Because the map is already generated and saved like Navezgane.

However.. I will gladly restart if RWG is even slightly better than this current iteration.

 
Technically, that shouldn't be the case anymore though right? Because the map is already generated and saved like Navezgane.
However.. I will gladly restart if RWG is even slightly better than this current iteration.
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its not that the current saves will break, its that you wont get the improvements unless you make a new save :p

 
Y'know, i can forgive just about every point of contention with the RWG, but I cannot STAND walking blindly into invisible radiation zones and losing half of my precious health. Especially if there is an airdrop or miraculously radiation-immune game to hunt, tantalizingly right out of my reach.......also i'm having trouble finding traders (but this may be just bad luck so far).

 
Y'know, i can forgive just about every point of contention with the RWG, but I cannot STAND walking blindly into invisible radiation zones and losing half of my precious health. Especially if there is an airdrop or miraculously radiation-immune game to hunt, tantalizingly right out of my reach.......also i'm having trouble finding traders (but this may be just bad luck so far).
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I would expect the invisi-radiation zones would be on the Pimps "Must Fix Before Stable" list.

 
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