PC V3.0 Dead Hot Summer Dev Diary

Any chance there will be a sandbox setting to disable traders and/or quests?

In the past my group have done play-throughs where we had to live off of the land, with no quests or shopping from the traders. It was quite fun, but required editing the map by hand to delete trader POIs.
 
Mr. Perfect said:
Any chance there will be a sandbox setting to disable traders and/or quests?

In the past my group have done play-throughs where we had to live off of the land, with no quests or shopping from the traders. It was quite fun, but required editing the map by hand to delete trader POIs.
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In the screenshot that was shared on page 1, there was a setting to disable quests. There are also more similar settings to make a playthrough play out very differently.
 
Laz Man said:
In the screenshot that was shared on page 1, there was a setting to disable quests. There are also more similar settings to make a playthrough play out very differently.
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That's a nice option.

Disabling Traders goes a step further. No buying and selling either. It isn't a super common configuration, but enough that I supported it in my modlet by making alternative versions of the traders so that people could edit their prefabs.xml files and for example rename "trader_bob" to "trader_bobx" to switch to a "fallen" trader POI.

Maybe y'all could take a similar path via code?
 
Laz Man said:
In the screenshot that was shared on page 1, there was a setting to disable quests. There are also more similar settings to make a playthrough play out very differently.
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Oh hey, look at that! I completely missed that somehow. Shutting of quests is a big step, it keeps people from resetting POIs with particularly good loot in them or continuously running T1s for magazine bundle rewards.

Hopefully there's a setting to adjust selling too, it's to easy to wrench a couple cars and then be set for money the rest of the game. Maybe not shut it off entirely, but at least reduce the payout or lower the number of duplicate items they'll buy.
 
zztong said:
That's a nice option.

Disabling Traders goes a step further. No buying and selling either. It isn't a super common configuration, but enough that I supported it in my modlet by making alternative versions of the traders so that people could edit their prefabs.xml files and for example rename "trader_bob" to "trader_bobx" to switch to a "fallen" trader POI.

Maybe y'all could take a similar path via code?
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There is an option for trader hours and just today we were talking about adding an always closed choice, which would completely disable them without leaving a flat nothing piece of ground in an existing game.
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Mr. Perfect said:
Oh hey, look at that! I completely missed that somehow. Shutting of quests is a big step, it keeps people from resetting POIs with particularly good loot in them or continuously running T1s for magazine bundle rewards.

Hopefully there's a setting to adjust selling too, it's to easy to wrench a couple cars and then be set for money the rest of the game. Maybe not shut it off entirely, but at least reduce the payout or lower the number of duplicate items they'll buy.
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I think there are buy/sell price scaling options.
 
CottonEyeJoe said:
Is it possible to integrate the Dev Tools into Creative Mode without using a console command?
I know it can be shared via crossplay, so it shouldn't be a problem to implement it directly, right?
If I just want to build and experiment, it's tedious to manually break block by block, or if I want to test skills and don't get an XP boost.

I'm speaking for PlayStation 5.
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Unfortunately, no. Console doesn't have access to the dev tools or dev items for one reason or another. The only option console currently has is crossplay. Possibly it could also be done with a custom POI that has a custom container that always has those dev items in it. That would have to be on a custom map that is on a dedicated server. But I'm not sure if you can make a custom container work on consoles. It would be a pain anyhow. Better to just get someone to join with you on PC and share the item. Only have to do that once and they don't have to keep playing the game with you afterwards.
 
@faatal
Then, there is no need, I can just remove the doors on their pois,
and select that option.

The reason I thought about it is because of a recent event. I forgot
to shut the doors at the Trader, while fighting a vulture. It was different
with constant respawn. I even got Rekt by a Dire, because the big doors
close so slowly.
Thanks for the reply.
 
faatal said:
There is an option for trader hours and just today we were talking about adding an always closed choice, which would completely disable them without leaving a flat nothing piece of ground in an existing game.
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Interesting. I'll certainly appreciate being able to set the trader hours to match my day length setting.

Maybe I don't fully understand. If a trader is always closed is it still impervious to players and zombies? If so, then isn't it entirely a "flat nothing" as it just takes up space? I probably don't fully understand. With the approach taken in my mod, you get new tier 2 POIs to explore.

It had occurred to me after I posted that turning off buying/selling and missions still possibly leaves a hole for completing the biome gear, but I'll bet you all have thought of all of those complications.
 
zztong said:
Interesting. I'll certainly appreciate being able to set the trader hours to match my day length setting.

Maybe I don't fully understand. If a trader is always closed is it still impervious to players and zombies? If so, then isn't it entirely a "flat nothing" as it just takes up space? I probably don't fully understand. With the approach taken in my mod, you get new tier 2 POIs to explore.

It had occurred to me after I posted that turning off buying/selling and missions still possibly leaves a hole for completing the biome gear, but I'll bet you all have thought of all of those complications.
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A black box is not a flat nothing. For example you could drive through a flat nothing (a desert plain may be a flat nothing), but not through a always closed trader.
 
meganoth said:
A black box is not a flat nothing. For example you could drive through a flat nothing (a desert plain may be a flat nothing), but not through a always closed trader.
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I'm not sure I understand. A closed and protected trader is walled off part of the world. Its a missed opportunity for content placement. You can't build on it either. All you can do is intrude upon its boundaries for a free teleport to escape zombies chasing you.

Or... does it lose it's protections and we can break into it?

My suggestion was that if folks wanted trader-less play, have some fallen trader POIs.
 
zztong said:
I'm not sure I understand. A closed and protected trader is walled off part of the world. Its a missed opportunity for content placement. You can't build on it either. All you can do is intrude upon its boundaries for a free teleport to escape zombies chasing you.

Or... does it lose it's protections and we can break into it?

My suggestion was that if folks wanted trader-less play, have some fallen trader POIs.
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What I am saying is that it isn't a **flat** **nothing**, which is exactly what Faatal said. It is neither flat, i.e. not on the same level as the surrounding area, nor "nothing" as it is an impervious obstacle.
 
Roland said:
There's an option to turn off trader protection and with that the doors would eventually disappear-- as well as a few wall sections...
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Yep, but I basically have that already with ZZTong's trader pois.

My intention is more along the lines of, Going to the trader is always a mild risk for me.

You can't place traps, there are no doors, no arms or armaments and with constant
increased spawn and reduced time respawn to 15 seconds real time, it incorporates
my trader visit with the rest of the environment.

Kind of like going to the corner store, that has the owner behind a bulletproof partition,
while you stand in the open, at night, in New York. Then you have to ask do I really need
those Cheetos.
 
faatal said:
There is an option for trader hours and just today we were talking about adding an always closed choice, which would completely disable them without leaving a flat nothing piece of ground in an existing game.
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Someone's going to get their gyro stuck in there, i know it

faatal said:
Always open is a choice. Not heard anyone mention doors related to that.
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I think he means that if its always open people can use it to hide from the blood moon hordes, and if the doors are always open too the zombies can still get to the players at least
 
Kire said:
I think he means that if its always open people can use it to hide from the blood moon hordes, and if the doors are always open too the zombies can still get to the players at least
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Exactly. I don't want to deprive anyone of playing the way that they want to.
But I have read enough, over time, to pretty accurately predict the outcome.
1 It becomes the new META avoidance system.
2 It is used as a streamer platform to ridicule how easy it is to avoid hordes or risk
in general.
3 It spreads to social media like a virus, and is converted to animated gifs, and memes.
4 Filters back to the forum.
5 TFP reacts, especially now because of the acquisition and responsibilities incurred.
6 It gets the same treatment as the Dodo birds. And the loop is closed.
 
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