V2.1 Stable

[meganoth]

Time to change the way the game is done. Remove the idea that updates are needed. What the devs need to do it make it a modders paradise. Work actively with the modding community. If the development over to community design advancement through mods is done the game will always improve. Profitize by making modders modules, that can add mods, check and compare them for working together. Make the game base off a mod loader. If the game becomes the mod loader profit can be made through charging to correlate and configure mods. I would gladly pay to have a system that checks, correlates, fixes mods. Allow us full controll over the game and sit back and help us make it great. We don't need updates we need correlation for expansion. Without mods who would be playing this game for the last 15 years.

Are you maybe in some echo chamber of your own mod users? Lots of players play without mods, PC as well as **everyone** on console. Or is your argument that TFP should do everything only for players who played the game for the last 15 years?

 

[ilexev]

Êtes-vous peut-être dans une sorte de chambre d'écho de vos propres utilisateurs de mods ? Beaucoup de joueurs jouent sans mods, sur PC comme sur console. Ou bien votre argument est-il que TFP devrait tout faire uniquement pour les joueurs qui ont joué au jeu ces 15 dernières anné

Anyway the console player cant use mods

 

[Suxar]

Without mods who would be playing this game for the last 15 years.

For the entire time of the game (10 years) I have not used a single mod. What is wrong with me?

 

[Soulmonster]

For the entire time of the game (10 years) I have not used a single mod. What is wrong with me?

Same her. Never used a mod. Always fear it will look ugly, not work fully, not be 100% compatible with all of the game, skew the balance, etc, and then I have to ask my co-players to use that mod too (I presume), which would be a hassle. And I am mostly very happy with the game as is, so I don't feel a need for mods.

 

[Soulmonster]

Same her. Never used a mod. Always fear it will look ugly, not work fully, not be 100% compatible with all of the game, skew the balance, etc, and then I have to ask my co-players to use that mod too (I presume), which would be a hassle. And I am mostly very happy with the game as is, so I don't feel a need for mods.

But on a side note, I have to say it is really cool this game is moddable and that there is a culture for modding and playing modded games, seamingly with some support from TFP (?).

 

[4sheetzngeegles]

In regard to modding, just think of it as an extended view into, the tons of requests that
are made everyday. There is no way for TFP or any company, that wishes to finish a game
to fit all of the requests in, new models, one person's play style is contradictory to another's.
Very many are not a part of their plan for their game. Logic and coding changes etc.

That is the need that modding fills. When I first found the forum years after first playing the
game, it was hard for me to think about modding, because it felt like cheating or messing up
something good. But I had a forum conversation with Joel, and to paraphrase he said. "That is
why we created the game, hopefully it will inspire someone, to make their own game".

The amalgam of constantly flooding requests is just people that want their mod ideas in game.
You are not breaking anything, it is just an extension of a person making their own world, which
is what most of the arguments are about. "They basically created a template game, that could be
transformed into nearly any genre". "Because they wanted something memorable".

If you change a slider, or a selection, video property anything in the main menu you are modding,
you are just using those included in the vanilla configuration. That is what has changed, more people
want their ideas included in the base game vs making them for them selves. It's neither good nor bad
it just is. The true gift that mods give, is to temporarily explore some of the more extensive requests,
then if it only satisfies part of what an individual desires, they can return to the original, or be inspired
to make a few different changes.

I never have any gripe with the changes to flow or characterizations, I change the environmental from
lighting, spawn rates, ai timing, landscaping is my favorite because I like to see the transformation of
a 2d image into a 3d terrain. I also play the vanilla game. Not playing any external mods is just a choice,
which is also a part of the original game thought.

 

[Riamus]

Same her. Never used a mod. Always fear it will look ugly, not work fully, not be 100% compatible with all of the game, skew the balance, etc, and then I have to ask my co-players to use that mod too (I presume), which would be a hassle. And I am mostly very happy with the game as is, so I don't feel a need for mods.

I think it is no different from getting a game or anything else. You look into it and see reviews and see if it sounds good and if people have problems with it. There are a lot of really good mods out there today work just fine.

But it is really up to you. I use mods, but mostly they are not ones that change the game very much. They are things like adding the option to have roll-up doors that can be connected to electricity, or chasing the color of the oil shale icon on the map so it is more visible (not really needed now that TFP changed the color), or POI packs to give more variety in the POI.

Ialso enjoy Izayo's weapon mod. His weapons are far better looking and more realistic than vanilla, imo. And the variety is nice. I also enjoy three Vehicle Madness mod so there are more options for vehicles and so you get a lot more variety in the vehicles you see on the map. These are mostly for variety and they don't really change the game. They are also very well done. And I use a third party map generator instead of RWG for more variety and randomness. That also doesn't really change the game

So although you can use things like overhaul mods that can drastically change the game, you can also use mods that just offer variety or do other minor things. I don't ever use UI mods because it is very rare that I find one that I actually like. It seems people have a very different opinion of what looks good for a UI than I do. Heh.

 

[BFT2020]

Without mods who would be playing this game for the last 15 years.

I know this answer! Me.

And a know of a lot of other regulars in these forums that just play vanilla.

I switch between vanilla and my custom mods all the time. Though most of my mods are just small changes really and not true overhauls like some of them out there.