PC V2.0 Storms Brewing Dev Diary

I don't think it is that people actually want jars, it's a subliminal
suggestion. Built up after all the hours of repalays and all the alpha restarts.

I think that a suggestion was implanted in everyone's minds, Like the single
frames used in the old movies to make you think you were hungry. The eyes
don't acknowledge them, but the mind sho do. Back then how else could they get
people to get up mid movie, and go get some refreshments.

Ask yourselves: how many bicycles have you worked to get in the first part
of the game. Ders da frame. 3 thermoses, and a cup, 3 thermoses, and a cup,
3 thermoses, and a cup. I want jars, I need jars, without jars there is
nuuuuthinnnnng. Uuuuuh. 😵‍💫...So it was inevitable. Blame it on TFP, blame it on
Creative License, shoot; blame it on the rain like Milli Vanilli. I personally blame it on Rekt.

Buuuuut: jus in case, Can I request an animation interacting with the bike, when
taking a drink.👀..........Purdy prease.🙏....... I promise to be good.

Disclaimer: this is just for ■■■■zNgiggles :cool::devilish:
 
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4sheetzngeegles said:
I don't think it is that people actually want jars, it's a subliminal
suggestion. Built up after all the hours of repalays and all the alpha restarts.

I think that a suggestion was implanted in everyone's minds, Like the single
frames used in the old movies to make you think you were hungry. The eyes
don't acknowledge them, but the mind sho do. Back then how else could they get
people to get up mid movie, and go get some refreshments.

Ask yourselves: how many bicycles have you worked to get in the first part
of the game. Ders da frame. 3 thermoses, and a cup, 3 thermoses, and a cup,
3 thermoses, and a cup. I want jars, I need jars, without jars there is
nuuuuthinnnnng. Uuuuuh. 😵‍💫...So it was inevitable. Blame it on TFP, blame it on
Creative License, shoot; blame it on the rain like Milli Vanilli. I personally blame it on Rekt.

Buuuuut: jus in case, Can I request an animation interacting with the bike, when
taking a drink.👀..........Purdy prease.🙏....... I promise to be good.

Disclaimer: this is just for ■■■■zNgiggles :cool::devilish:
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Hmm... has your account been hacked by @Adam the Waster ? :unsure:
 
4sheetzngeegles said:
I don't think it is that people actually want jars, it's a subliminal
suggestion. Built up after all the hours of repalays and all the alpha restarts.

I think that a suggestion was implanted in everyone's minds, Like the single
frames used in the old movies to make you think you were hungry. The eyes
don't acknowledge them, but the mind sho do. Back then how else could they get
people to get up mid movie, and go get some refreshments.

Ask yourselves: how many bicycles have you worked to get in the first part
of the game. Ders da frame. 3 thermoses, and a cup, 3 thermoses, and a cup,
3 thermoses, and a cup. I want jars, I need jars, without jars there is
nuuuuthinnnnng. Uuuuuh. 😵‍💫...So it was inevitable. Blame it on TFP, blame it on
Creative License, shoot; blame it on the rain like Milli Vanilli. I personally blame it on Rekt.

Buuuuut: jus in case, Can I request an animation interacting with the bike, when
taking a drink.👀..........Purdy prease.🙏....... I promise to be good.

Disclaimer: this is just for ■■■■zNgiggles :cool::devilish:
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In a way, you're right. You normally don't see people complaining about not getting jars back when drinking something (or plates or whatever when eating something) in games where you never had any kind of empty jar or plate or whatever. At least not very often, and certainly not at the level you see here. And that includes survival games. You'll have certain people who will always complain about certain topics, so it can definitely happen, but it just isn't something you really see at the level you see it here. So saying it's subliminal is not too far off. :)
 
Riamus said:
In a way, you're right. You normally don't see people complaining about not getting jars back when drinking something (or plates or whatever when eating something) in games where you never had any kind of empty jar or plate or whatever. At least not very often, and certainly not at the level you see here. And that includes survival games. You'll have certain people who will always complain about certain topics, so it can definitely happen, but it just isn't something you really see at the level you see it here. So saying it's subliminal is not too far off. :)
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I think the complaint about jars being removed is largely just an expression of dissatisfaction the direction 7days took. I don't miss them but I can relate. If "jars" were removed from PZ I would definitely complain. Or uninstall it. Or mod them back in. I'd definitely make a noise kind of like a "harumph".
 
Sapient6 said:
I think the complaint about jars being removed is largely just an expression of dissatisfaction the direction 7days took. I don't miss them but I can relate. If "jars" were removed from PZ I would definitely complain. Or uninstall it. Or mod them back in. I'd definitely make a noise kind of like a "harumph".
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Yeah. I've said similar before... that jars aren't really what most people really have a problem with, but instead it's just the direction of the game. Jars are just the low hanging fruit. Once they have jars in the game, those people will either complain about how jars are implemented or they'll choose some other thing that was changed and complain about that because the jars aren't really going to "fix" the game for them.

And yes, if a game has jars and removes them, that's what I was mentioning about why people might complain versus a game that never had them in the first place and people normally won't complain about it.

I will say that some people legitimately just want the immersion of jars and would complain about lack of jars in any game, even if the game never had them. But I have a feeling those account for a very small percentage of the people who are complaining about jars.
 
I usually just wait for a mod to fix anything added or taken away that I want or don't want.
I think most players frustration is they want or miss something but are not able to use mods.
The base game is the key. That is what sets players off. Us who can add mods or able to make edits to files to fix stuff should never have to complain.
 
Adam the Waster said:
I personally wanted reusesable jars with the things they stated they wanted to do like like them breaking if you take fall damage or just damage
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I read that convo on reddit and Joel was obviously just brainstorming ideas off the cuff. None of that was a plan or a promise. Jars in your inventory breaking whenever you take damage isn't a part of the new system so that means that he either never thought about it again after casually throwing it out there in that conversation or it means he went back and discussed it with the programmers and decided it wasn't feasible or rejected it while thinking about the new design.

Riamus said:
Well, I don't want jars, so no, I won't be happy about them.
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I'm betting you'll end up being fine with the new system and feel no need to mod them out. I look forward to reading what you think after you try it out.

Adam the Waster said:
It's the system we got now but now you have the option too opt out of the dew collector. Great! Perfect!
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Haha...that is not what I said. You've just filled in the blanks with some assumptions. You've always been able to opt out of the dew collector simply by not crafting it so I'm not sure what you mean by thinking this is the only difference. Being able to choose not to craft the dew collector is one of the things that is still the same if you don't want to use it. But I have a feeling more people will be wanting to craft at least one.
Adam the Waster said:
I dont need to be a play testers to find out how it works, I have a brain
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Except you don't have all the information. It would be nice if TFP revealed the whole system but they haven't and I'm not authorized to give any more details than have already been given. So unless faatal comes out and states exactly how it is all going to work then brain or no brain you won't get it until you play it because right now based on what you've said while in the throws of disappointment you don't know how it plays. Your brain has filled in the gaps with conjecture that you are now assuming is true.
 
zztong said:
Ultimately, I don't care if there are jars, or not, but I prefer to be able to carry water away from a water source.
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Then you'll be happy as will most people I believe. Most of the complaints about jars revolved around the immersion factor and survival "common sense" ability to be able to live near a water source so you can gather water. And that is primarily what the return of jars was meant to address by TFP-- the ability to carry water away from a water source by filling empty jars. I think the great majority of the player base just wanted that degree of streamlining removed in favor of the more immersive gameplay of going through the act of filling up the jars with murky water from a gutter rather than just finding jars already filled with murky water.

Personally, I'm fine with that whole process being streamlined and abstracted as it was but the new system is fun and I have not found it tedious to have to play through that step of going to a water source and filling my jars.

The fact that you won't get them back after use just drives you out into to world to replenish your stock which is also a good thing, imo
 
Gamida said:
Us who can add mods or able to make edits to files to fix stuff should never have to complain.
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Roland said:
Personally, I'm fine with that whole process being streamlined and abstracted
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These two sentiments are the real reason I never have any real complaint.

The reasons I don't get upset over the dev process, is not because I
have become use to it or even fully agree with it. Or see the jar a half
there or not it's because I take advantage for myself and use as many
of the resourses both on the surface and buried, and mod to my heart's
content. Also I look at the process from a lighter point of view.

It's in, it's out, It's in, it's out, that's not it, finally.....It's
basically a Virgin process. I figure just like anything else it will grow,
and eventually find the target the first time.
 
Javabean867 said:
Uhg, i'm not looking forward to needing jars. Such a waste of time putting them back in the game.
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Heavily disagree they shouldn't have taken them out at all. Change things? Yes but not remove
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Space4Ace said:
Possibly IzPrebuilt followers. 😁
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Ehhh possibly. I mean i follow him for the LBD mod. But I just can see it now on Twitter or whatever if people saw we dont get them back.

Im happy from what we have that we know of. I disagree with some aspects but I'll see when I get there im use to the system we got rn
 
Zombie deer are needed, as there are zombie bears zombie birds, and while I am at i t how about some mutated oversized zombie wabbits!

I don't care about jars but if there's going to be a mod to remove them I'm all for it.
 
Adam the Waster said:
Heavily disagree they shouldn't have taken them out at all. Change things? Yes but not remove
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Never needed, waste of space, time and effort. you can disagree of course. But the game was improved by removing them and moving towards finding the water you need by looting, and by using the dew collectors.

I've seen people argue over the immersion of them, but they don't fight over the need for gas containers, bowls for stew, etc. which brings me to what I believe they truly want them for, and that is to make infinite amounts of glue. If they were worried about immersion, then why not fight about the other containers that aren't in the game?
 
HB_H4wk said:
Zombie deer are needed, as there are zombie bears zombie birds, and while I am at i t how about some mutated oversized zombie wabbits!
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If you want that then, zombie chickens, zombie wolves (not counting the Dire wolf since he's a mutated), zombie coyotes, zombie snakes, zombie boars (not counting Grace since she's a mutated), zombie mountain lion.
Plus. there's no regular birds or dogs, only the zombie dog and zombie vulture so, where does it end?
 
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