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cracks me up and makes me laugh everytime i see people wanting bandits....

Play PVP if you want bandits... Dont you guys / gals realize yet on pvp there is real life bandits ? There is no ai bandits that exist that can reproduce what real people do


This is not the same. Unless you know your co-players the chance is high that you get griefers and hackers instead. Even if they are not, the motivation and actions of most pvp players are different from a real or simulated bandit, they don't really roleplay. Similarily Counterstrike is a very different experience to real or simulated warfare.

The most damaging aspect, you can not set the difficulty with human players. What is the fun for a player with low reaction skills and a day job when he gets confronted with a few expert players who train 8 hours a day, with high reaction and top hand-eye coordination. He is just an easy victim, the fun is one-sided, only for the expert players.

 
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cracks me up and makes me laugh everytime i see people wanting bandits....

Play PVP if you want bandits... Dont you guys / gals realize yet on pvp there is real life bandits ? There is no ai bandits that exist that can reproduce what real people do


I'm really just thinking of non-zombie NPCs that you might encounter out in the world, some of which might be hostile. I don't see traders making any sense unless there are other survivors.

I've played PvP before in other games (WWII Online, LoTRO Monster Play) though I wouldn't say I'm hardcore PvP by any means. I would certainly agree that real people are more of a challenge than AI.

oh i get it alot of people are scared to compete against another player, bandits are easier prey


Nice bait.

For 7d2d, I'd be looking for certain configurations beyond some server turning on PvP damage and saying "get 'em." Some forms of PvP don't lead to long-term entertainment.

 
I personally am not looking forward to bandits at all.  I've mentioned before that I play this game for the zombies.  If I want to kill bandits, there are many other games out there that I'd choose first.  I think bandits will end up taking away the interest of killing zombies in here and just be in the way to me.  I am open to being proven wrong and that they will be a good addition for me, but I'm not really expecting that to happen.  I'm really hoping for an option to disable them.

That being said, saying that bandits == PVP players is dumb.  Just because they use weapons like a player doesn't make them the same thing as a player.  From what I've seen, the majority of gamers do not enjoy PVP, or at least prefer PVE.  You have a relatively small niche of players who love PVP and a somewhat larger group who likes it, but are just as happy (or happier) in PVE.  But most want nothing to do with it.  And there's a big reason for that.  PVP players are some of the most annoying group of gamers overall (I'm not including everyone, obviously).  The hardcore PVP players (the ones who focus almost entirely on PVP and not PVE) are very often griefers.  They will kill people who haven't even had a chance to get equipment or levels.  They enjoy hurting the newbie players.  They feel superior because they can sit and snipe a player who is just spawning or who just started learning the game.  Most do not want an actual challenge.  They won't let an opponent gain an advantage or equal footing and will just attack someone who can't do anything to defend themselves.  In fact, there was talk not that long ago about people in this game who would camp a spawn point and kill people repeatedly without letting them ever have a chance to fight back.  Even though not every PVP player is like that, and people can sometimes act differently in different PVP games, this does seem to be a common theme among the main PVP players.  And this is why most players just have no interest in PVP.  If PVP players allowed people to actually have a chance before attacking them, you might see more gamers interested in PVP, which would lead to more games supporting PVP.  But this attitude of "I'm better than you" just turns people off from PVP.  On the other hand, bandits or any AI enemy do not have this attitude.  They are simply there and attack if you're close enough to be noticed.  And they aren't going to camp your spawn points.  Most gamers prefer AI enemies because of that.  Sure, they are easier, though with difficulty settings, you can make them very difficult, even though they'll never have the skills and unpredictability of a real person (at least, not until AI gets involved).  But they aren't going to act stupid either.

I've done PVP in various games, and there are some that I like because they are set up in a way that eliminates a lot of that killing people before they are able to fight back nonsense.  But even though there are some that I like, I find that PVE is just far more enjoyable and relaxing.  I don't play a game to get annoyed at people.  I play a game to have fun.  And that's true for most gamers, I think.

 
I personally am not looking forward to bandits at all.  I've mentioned before that I play this game for the zombies.  If I want to kill bandits, there are many other games out there that I'd choose first.  I think bandits will end up taking away the interest of killing zombies in here and just be in the way to me.  I am open to being proven wrong and that they will be a good addition for me, but I'm not really expecting that to happen.  I'm really hoping for an option to disable them.
i couldnt agree with you more, my opinion is that pimps focusing on bandits is a waste of valuable time when they should just focus on what already exists. How about starting with anticheat? i much rather see them focus on that than bandits.

 
cracks me up and makes me laugh everytime i see people wanting bandits....

Play PVP if you want bandits... Dont you guys / gals realize yet on pvp there is real life bandits ? There is no ai bandits that exist that can reproduce what real people do
Bandits will have several important roles:

  1. They fit-in in the upcoming "story mode" where you can pick the Noah faction vs "The Duke" faction.
  2. Custom POIs will be created for each faction (educated guess) with different types of challenges.
  3. They won't fall "out of role" (exactly like zombies do now!)
  4. They can make them as accurate or aimless (literally) as they want. Maybe even adding a setting for the size of their hitbox on you!
  5. They will allow you to have semi-human bots and, at the same time, avoid kids jumping all over your map droppin' random blocks just because they need to pee
  6. In their bases, if you choose their faction, you could find specialized gear not available at Whiteriver (Assassin gear, Bandit gear).
  7. I want to see @faatal take this home so he will have his retribution day on you all! ;)  

Also... you're a troll sir!  :lol:

 
Bandits will have several important roles:

  1. They fit-in in the upcoming "story mode" where you can pick the Noah faction vs "The Duke" faction.
  2. Custom POIs will be created for each faction (educated guess) with different types of challenges.
  3. They won't fall "out of role" (exactly like zombies do now!)
  4. They can make them as accurate or aimless (literally) as they want. Maybe even adding a setting for the size of their hitbox on you!
  5. They will allow you to have semi-human bots and, at the same time, avoid kids jumping all over your map droppin' random blocks just because they need to pee
  6. In their bases, if you choose their faction, you could find specialized gear not available at Whiteriver (Assassin gear, Bandit gear).
  7. I want to see @faatal take this home so he will have his retribution day on you all! ;)  

Also... you're a troll sir!  :lol:
to be honest and to be the one that informs you,,, Simply put 7d2d is not optomized to handle bandits, It barely runs that game as is. Coders have already proven this game can utilize multicore processing why do the pimps continue making it run off main core? At this point the pimps would be better served focusing their attention on what already exist instead of adding something like bandits. How about anticheat? multiplayer has taken a huge hit in last couple years... how about they start there?

 
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Play PVP if you want bandits... Dont you guys / gals realize yet on pvp there is real life bandits ? There is no ai bandits that exist that can reproduce what real people do


i couldnt agree with you more, my opinion is that pimps focusing on bandits is a waste of valuable time when they should just focus on what already exists. How about starting with anticheat?


lmao. The irony...

 
I'm a bit confused are the conversations here, in regard to version 1.0 or 1.2?

I'm asking because I just looked at the title 22 is 1.2 yes or no. I never really thought

about it before , just kept reading. But I posted something and it is referred to as 1.0

in 7 days to mod page. But the poi list I created was for 1.2 b22 through 27.

 
I'm a bit confused are the conversations here, in regard to version 1.0 or 1.2?

I'm asking because I just looked at the title 22 is 1.2 yes or no. I never really thought

about it before , just kept reading. But I posted something and it is referred to as 1.0

in 7 days to mod page. But the poi list I created was for 1.2 b22 through 27.
They just didn't update the title.  This is A22/1.x.  Next will be A23/2.x.

 
March? Says who?
HIM!

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