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Maybe should turn your settings down. I think that maybe in some cases for a few of you. I think maybe they  have adjust a few settings on their tv or monitor also have adjust the in game settings to see in the dark. I say this i haven't touched and bright, gamma or any settings like this. E.g basements are not pitch back but it is barely visible. For me i need a flash light to navigate. In basements lets say. I get why they make it barely visible too. It for players can find a way out of these areas if they fall down holes or traps. Imagine this no flash light no torch. A pitch black basement. And no zombies. Finding your way out would take you a very long time. Especially with multiple rooms. Might make players rage quite if they couldn't get out. But Xbox seems fine too me. But i havent used PC version 9 months. I have no clue about playstation.

 
bluewizard said:
Maybe should turn your settings down. I think that maybe in some cases for a few of you. I think maybe they  have adjust a few settings on their tv or monitor also have adjust the in game settings to see in the dark. I say this i haven't touched and bright, gamma or any settings like this. E.g basements are not pitch back but it is barely visible. For me i need a flash light to navigate. In basements lets say. I get why they make it barely visible too. It for players can find a way out of these areas if they fall down holes or traps. Imagine this no flash light no torch. A pitch black basement. And no zombies. Finding your way out would take you a very long time. Especially with multiple rooms. Might make players rage quite if they couldn't get out. But Xbox seems fine too me. But i havent used PC version 9 months. I have no clue about playstation.
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It won't help. I even lowered the brightness level in the game to 0%. The areas that glowed hardly changed, and everything else became very dark. It looked disgusting. There was no such thing in A21, and the mod allowed you to make really dark nights. Now the game is ALWAYS very bright. Yes, now there is a mod that allows you to make the game darker at night, although it is still not as dark as before, but it is not compatible with a mod that makes the game a little darker during the day. Besides, even with a mod, the day doesn't always look good. It's certainly not as awful as the A19, but it's definitely worse than the A21. This is the only thing I don't like about graphics in 1.0, everything else has improved.

 
On the setting with updates setting will keep to whatever previously you adjusted it too. As you know. Unless you did a fresh install. But bright should 45 to 50%. And if your on consoles. Many have adjusted console setting to see in the dark for this game and others. Put stuff back to default.  Readjust your tv 

 
bluewizard said:
On the setting with updates setting will keep to whatever previously you adjusted it too. As you know. Unless you did a fresh install. But bright should 45 to 50%. And if your on consoles. Many have adjusted console setting to see in the dark for this game and others. Put stuff back to default.  Readjust your tv 
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I play on PC and fresh install.

This is a problem of the game, it cannot be solved by settings.

 
See i dont have this problem your having. Have you tried update video card drives, pcs are a funny thing video cards can get issues with game updates. Or could be a bug only a few are having. This happens all the time.

 
bluewizard said:
See i dont have this problem your having. Have you tried update video card drives, pcs are a funny thing video cards can get issues with game updates. Or could be a bug only a few are having. This happens all the time.
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I always update all drivers and system. The problem is in the game. Everyone's bright at night. Everyone's game has become brighter overall.

 
bluewizard said:
See i dont have this problem your having. Have you tried update video card drives, pcs are a funny thing video cards can get issues with game updates. Or could be a bug only a few are having. This happens all the time.
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Everyone is having the problem.  There have been a lot of posts about it ever since 1.0 EXP came out.  Most posts are complaints about it and there are a few who say they like it better.  The game is way brighter than in A20/A21.  This isn't settings or monitor/TV.  The devs have even admitted to increasing brightness levels.  They feel it's better that way, I guess.  They have even made very minor adjustments to decrease brightness compared to initial 1.0 EXP levels.  Now, you do get some darkness in a room that has no windows at all.  But it is still very visible.  In A20/A21, I always got the light mod for my helmet as soon as possible so that I could see at night in POI because there were times you couldn't see a couple meters in front of you, which was perfect for a game like this.  Now, I don't bother with one at all.  There is also a lot of overexposure during the day, as was mentioned.  But it's the night that I have the real issue with.

If the game gave you an option for brightness that actually worked well (the current brightness setting in the game doesn't), then it would be fine.  People who want bright games can have it and those who like a dark game at night can have that.  But there isn't one.  The brightness control in the game turned to the lowest value should make the game extremely dark such that you'd never lower it that far, but it barely changes anything and just makes the days look bad.

 
Tree Animation

Now I wonder if this is the normal for all gamers and tree animations supposed to be Halloween themed jitter things in the wind ?

Its like they are moving at 2 frames a second, and the likes of Skyrim has better tree swaying.

Just looks odd, and I wonder if I can improve anything my end even if it comes to Turning the animation off.

 
The brightness has most definitely been changed since 1.0. Very strange as lighting in A20 and A21 was very realistic, and more importantly lighting at night was realistic. Now it's just odd to have so much light most of the night, especially when there's no moon or lights creating said light. Hopefully thr devs will 'see the light' and fix it at some point. As i said in last post, i use a great lighting mod until they fix it

 
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The brightness setting in the game is not really how a typical brightness setting works. It's more of a contrast setting or a combination of things. 

When you lower the brightness, the dark parts get darker but the bright parts get brighter. A 0% setting can be almost painful on the eyes if you're in the snow biome during the day. 

Lowering it can make night time very dark but the trade off is near blown-out whites and saturated colors. 

But as I said before, there are people that don't want the game to be dark and that is fine. Just give us an option. Either change how the brightness setting works or give us a setting that reflects how previous versions of the game looked.

 
Riamus said:
Everyone is having the problem.  There have been a lot of posts about it ever since 1.0 EXP came out.  Most posts are complaints about it and there are a few who say they like it better.  The game is way brighter than in A20/A21.  This isn't settings or monitor/TV.  The devs have even admitted to increasing brightness levels.  They feel it's better that way, I guess.  They have even made very minor adjustments to decrease brightness compared to initial 1.0 EXP levels.  Now, you do get some darkness in a room that has no windows at all.  But it is still very visible.  In A20/A21, I always got the light mod for my helmet as soon as possible so that I could see at night in POI because there were times you couldn't see a couple meters in front of you, which was perfect for a game like this.  Now, I don't bother with one at all.  There is also a lot of overexposure during the day, as was mentioned.  But it's the night that I have the real issue with.

If the game gave you an option for brightness that actually worked well (the current brightness setting in the game doesn't), then it would be fine.  People who want bright games can have it and those who like a dark game at night can have that.  But there isn't one.  The brightness control in the game turned to the lowest value should make the game extremely dark such that you'd never lower it that far, but it barely changes anything and just makes the days look bad.
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I really hope that the developers will solve this problem.

 
Just as a sanity check, a high number of players are not hardcore players, as evidenced by the default difficulty being lowered a while back from Nomad to Adventurer without changing the damage multipliers.  This was done to satisfy the large number of players who thought the game was too hard.  7D2D is not a hardcore horror game, so no surprise that the lighting has become consistent with that.  Frankly, if all players (not just the voices on the forum) were surveyed about the current night brightness, I think many here would be disappointed by the results.

So if the night illumination settings are not significantly changed, there may be more of a marketing (mass appeal) reason than a nostalgic hardcore fanbase satisfaction.  Ideally, it would be a setting that all players can personalize.  I frankly would like many more aspects of the game customizable.  And maybe that will be incorporated into a later update, but let's pump the brakes about demanding or expecting it to be immediately changed.

I went camping this past weekend in a group of about 30, no electricity or running water, partly/mostly overcast skies at night.  Many people didn't even use a flashlight at night since you can get around without one 4 hours after sundown.  That's common when we go rustic camping.  Not that the game is trying to reflect all elements of reality, but the current settings are not unrealistic in the real world.  And if the moon is out and the ground is snow covered, you may even need shades. 😎

 
DocRussel said:
I went camping this past weekend in a group of about 30, no electricity or running water, partly/mostly overcast skies at night.  Many people didn't even use a flashlight at night since you can get around without one 4 hours after sundown.  That's common when we go rustic camping.  Not that the game is trying to reflect all elements of reality, but the current settings are not unrealistic in the real world.  And if the moon is out and the ground is snow covered, you may even need shades. 😎
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As someone who camps and who lives in the country, where there isn't any (much) light pollution, I can tell you that this is not entirely accurate.  Yes, if there's a decent amount of moonlight, or if you are in a place where there is enough light pollution, you can see fine at night.  However, on other nights, it can be pitch black and you cannot see within a couple feet without some sort of light.  Even tonight at my house, at 7:45pm, it is dark enough that I cannot easily see very far without a light.  There is some moonlight, so it's not as dark as it can be on other nights, but it's definitely dark.  I'll add that the amount of darkness also is dependent on where you live in the world, and it depends on what time of year it is.  For example, it doesn't get very dark for half the year in the far north for half the year.

And we aren't just talking about outside lighting.  In the basement of a house without any lights on and in the middle of the night, you shouldn't be able to see much of anything without a light.

As far as why they did it, it probably is because too many players want "easy mode".  But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a setting.

 
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Riamus said:
As someone who camps and who lives in the country, where there isn't any (much) light pollution, I can tell you that this is not entirely accurate.  Yes, if there's a decent amount of moonlight, or if you are in a place where there is enough light pollution, you can see fine at night.  However, on other nights, it can be pitch black and you cannot see within a couple feet without some sort of light.  Even tonight at my house, at 7:45pm, it is dark enough that I cannot easily see very far without a light.  There is some moonlight, so it's not as dark as it can be on other nights, but it's definitely dark.  I'll add that the amount of darkness also is dependent on where you live in the world, and it depends on what time of year it is.  For example, it doesn't get very dark for half the year in the far north for half the year.

And we aren't just talking about outside lighting.  In the basement of a house without any lights on and in the middle of the night, you shouldn't be able to see much of anything without a light.

As far as why they did it, it probably is because too many players want "easy mode".  But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a setting.
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Lol, yes, what I said is the experience of many people over the course of many years.

 
Riamus said:
As far as why they did it, it probably is because too many players want "easy mode".  But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a setting.
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While I'd be happy with a setting, "It's hard because it's dark!" is one of my most hated gaming tropes of all time, ever since I first spent several hours looking for a switch in Doom 2 that I never saw because it was in a dark corner.  So personally, I'm perfectly happy with the lighting the way it is now (and I often turn the brightness up to 100% at night.)

 
beerfly said:
I think we all would agree that darkness adds a layer of being much more aware, watching our every step and sound we make, while being scared of where we are. 

Remember when we were kids and our parents send us to the basement for the first time to get something, alone?

Oh, bears in Forest biome, also ;)
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IRL, darkness occasionally freaks me out because I have an overactive imagination.  In games, it just annoys me because I can't see what the F I'm doing.  To me, it's not a real challenge, it's at best a test of your eyesight (and as someone who's blind as a bat without my glasses, that's not something I enjoy.)

That said, bears in the forest were kind of terrifying.

 
Vaeliorin said:
IRL, darkness occasionally freaks me out because I have an overactive imagination.  In games, it just annoys me because I can't see what the F I'm doing.  To me, it's not a real challenge, it's at best a test of your eyesight (and as someone who's blind as a bat without my glasses, that's not something I enjoy.)

That said, bears in the forest were kind of terrifying.
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As we have a talk about that one here in the forums, I think we are sure that The Pimps are working on a proper balanced solution about that. 

 
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