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PLAYERS CRASHING ON MULTIPLAYER

need a dev to hotfix these two errors

Setting angular velocity of a kinematic body is not supported.
Setting linear velocity of a kinematic body is not supported.


These two errors are linked to vehicles effects pvp and pver servers  needs fixed asap.

 
Outlaw_187 said:
Does anyone else think the 4x4 absolutely sucks??!! 

It looks cool and all but oh man....

I had it fully modded, plow, turbo boost, gas saver, & the headlights. 1 short trip to the wasteland & then a short run through the burnt forest, I'd say about a 3 & a half to 4 km run. I had 12% health left when returning to base. 

It takes a TON of gas and it's slow as hell! 

No thanks! 😖
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It's a good thing when playing as a team. But when you play alone, a motorcycle is better.

 
Grandpa Minion said:
its a unity error that causes vehicles to crash servers, Your a coder / modder and from what i can tell a pretty good one so, the better question to ask is why you haven't reported it?
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I remember a couple of years ago probably, maybe fatal or another dev said they have a collaboration with some Devs from Unity that help fix Unity related bugs that affect 7 days to die in particular. 

It is paid option, also from what I know from experience. 

Reporting this issue would definitely help.

Are disappearing vehicles Unity fault, too ?

 
Good day to TFP's

I had a Thought, With all these Chairs and Beds in Game ..  Are there any plans to add sitting and Sleeping to game? 

There was a sleep bag mod, but the author is not working on 7D2D anymore ... it was by "Telaric's A21 modlets" and it worked great at the time but will not work in v1.0. ... I tried to modify it to work but could not.

Thank you for time ... The OldGamer 😌

 
Adam the Waster said:
How's the progress about added mutated zombies and such too hordes @schwanz9000

And I got a question. Would it be possible for you guys to do random gen zombies again? I'm just saying just for curiosity.  

But like how we have the random player maker, imagine If you make those models all zombie up. And just placed in the world. And randomize cloths/armor/wardrobe system

Would that be possible 
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Been trying to tackle the console bugs and haven't had a chance to work on it.

We have no plans to use zombified versions of the player characters...if that's what you mean. 

 
beerfly said:
I remember a couple of years ago probably, maybe fatal or another dev said they have a collaboration with some Devs from Unity that help fix Unity related bugs that affect 7 days to die in particular. 

It is paid option, also from what I know from experience. 

Reporting this issue would definitely help.

Are disappearing vehicles Unity fault, too ?
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What i know is pve and pvp servers have already disabled vehicles off their servers because of how bad the bug is and that i've been told... "When you move a kinematic object, you can not apply velocity. Velocity is a linear based system in unity", appeartantly unity used to allow you to but changed with their new update. I also know it gets so bad it causes the csmm hosted monitor manager to start lagging and freeze up. Also i'm 100% convinced the devs already know about the issue since one of them spoke about it when they attempted to fix the vehicle dupe glitch in experimental. The whole reason for my post is to hopefully shed light that the bug is worse than they probably even imagined and needs fixed asap.

 
Grandpa Minion said:
What i know is pve and pvp servers have already disabled vehicles off their servers because of how bad the bug is and that i've been told... "When you move a kinematic object, you can not apply velocity. Velocity is a linear based system in unity", appeartantly unity used to allow you to but changed with their new update. I also know it gets so bad it causes the csmm hosted monitor manager to start lagging and freeze up. Also i'm 100% convinced the devs already know about the issue since one of them spoke about it when they attempted to fix the vehicle dupe glitch in experimental. The whole reason for my post is to hopefully shed light that the bug is worse than they probably even imagined and needs fixed asap.
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Again.

A bug report with client and server logs without mods that shows a server crashing due to a benign warning message will get way more attention than yelling. Just say'n.

 
I think the devs could benefit from a bug report/logs.

Who should do it though?

It's not a problem for me, so I'm not going to do it.

I mean, if I needed it fixed asap, I'd probably get off my ass and do it.

If that wasn't enough motivation, then I probably don't really want it asap.

...I do tend to be lazy though, so maybe I'd just talk about it here and see if someone else does it for me.

Full disclosure...I will call out bugs in the forums if they're old ones which have returned, or to spotlight a bug which I've submitted a report for, but is preventing me from playing.

-Arch Necromancer Morloc 💀

 
Grandpa Minion said:
What i know is pve and pvp servers have already disabled vehicles off their servers because of how bad the bug is and that i've been told...
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I play on a PvE server where transport is not disabled. The only thing that is disabled is tree seeds, they sometimes load the server too much.

 
schwanz9000 said:
Again.

A bug report with client and server logs without mods that shows a server crashing due to a benign warning message will get way more attention than yelling. Just say'n.
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Whos yelling? How about I yell since nobody has been prior. LOUD NOISES!!!

Its in the Unity instruction manual telling you NOT TO APPLY VELOCITY TO KINEMATIC OBJECTS! For some unknown, brain melted reason, your dev team is not fixing this and have yet to convert to the proper form of movement control. I gave this report to an official tester who already put it in the system for you weeks ago before you went to stable. That was during experimental. Its almost three weeks later, multiple patches and hotfixes came and went without a fix and yet you are acting like its benign or caused by mods.

You want a report of how you are doing the opposite of something listed in the Unity instruction manual? Seriously? That error comes from the Unity engine. Spamming the Unity engine with physics errors. I have personally seen it spamming on vanilla servers. It can get stuck triggering dozens of times a second which locks the mainthread in a loop state. Eventually crashing the server. When its not stuck spamming, it fires off every single time you get out of a vehicle. Multiple times depending which vehicle due to multiple rigidbody and having linear based velocities on them, then getting their bool flipped to a kinematic object for absolutely no reason. You are switching a moving entity with a rigidbody to a kinematic object. That is a huge no no in Unity physics engine since 2019. They stopped supporting that and specifically said DONT DO IT around 2022 if my memory recalls correctly. Its on their website. I gave it to you in your bug reports section as well. They gave you an alternative and yet you aren't using it.

I am reading your assembly.dll right now. I am really tired of this no mods allowed idea. YOU provided harmony injections as a basis of the game but dont want mods. We are currently reading your programming and telling you its faulty. I can give you sections that dont make any sense in YOUR programming and you want a log showing you a crash without mods? Mods have nothing to do with the base game utilizing the Unity engine improperly. Again.... you are going against the basis of the Unity physics engine. It will not allow linear velocities on kinematic objects. Linear means it doesnt stop immediately. If you switch the object to kinematic and it still has a velocity on it, you will hit physics engine errors. AGAIN... this is in the instruction manual of Unity and how to program a game in the Unity engine. Something you are not following and then asking us for reports on how you are not following the basic instructions of the Unity engine as its spitting an error out telling you what is wrong. I can load unity and cause this fault right now if I wanted to. Spawn a gameobject with a rigidbody and then set kinematic true. Then set a velocity on it. The engine will tell you it cant and guess what error it shows... It has options to move manually while kinematic but it makes no sense to be applied on a vehicle in the first place.

Do you really need another report showing you a log with the Unity engine telling you to stop applying velocity to kinematic objects? AGAIN, unity gave you the exact way to run this. Why was this not fixed when you switched your Unity version? You are acting like the mods are changing the kinematic state on the rigidbody of vehicles. Something that should never be done in the first place. I am staring at the EntityVehicle class right now as your programmers are for some bizarre reason, switching the kinematic state over and over.

Maybe this isnt clear enough. A turret, something that animates but doesnt change its position can be a kinematic object on the rigidbody. A moving entity/vehicle is not kinematic due to it changing position. If you still wish to achieve movement while kinematic, use the alternative Unity devs instructed us to use which is a manual form of movement control. That is the problem here. You programmed this in a manner Unity told you not to do anymore. How many reports do we need on this? Do we need more links to the Unity developers instructions on this issue? Im being serious. This is getting ridiculous. You spent weeks making us download POIs and bear models over and over and yet you arent even using the physics engine of Unity properly and this is stable now?

 
Obsessive Compulsive said:
It can get stuck triggering dozens of times a second which locks the mainthread in a loop state. Eventually crashing the server.
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THIS. This is what will get this to have more attention. Show me a log of this. Show me the crash dump from the server due to warning spam. That's all I'm asking.

We understand HOW the warning is happening. It's just not been a priority on top of everything else we've got going on.

 
Grandpa Minion said:
its a unity error that causes vehicles to crash servers, Your a coder / modder and from what i can tell a pretty good one so, the better question to ask is why you haven't reported it?
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Because I never experienced the bug so I would have zero information to give them to assist in troubleshooting the issue.  That is why I haven't reported it.

 
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BFT2020 said:
Because I never experienced the bug so I would have zero information to give them to assist in troubleshooting the issue.  That is why I haven't reported it.
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If your telling me you have never seen either one of these wrns bugs go off I find that hard to believe... anytime you ride any vehicle ite well trigger.

Setting angular velocity of a kinematic body is not supported.
Setting linear velocity of a kinematic body is not supported.


the problem is when people start stacking the bug in multiplayer  x amount of players on the server it freezes the main thread....

 
I don't know who's responsible for the so called "save system", but I wanted to thank them. It seems improved.

Even after (rarely) crashing to desktop, or even having one time to hard-reset the computer after a lock, I've never experienced any loss in my saved games.

I've heard that other players in the past had to restart at level zero or even throw away their save after a CTD!

Did you do something?

Anyway... good job TFP!  :thumb:

Grandpa Minion said:
Setting angular velocity of a kinematic body is not supported.
Setting linear velocity of a kinematic body is not supported.


the problem is when people start stacking the bug in multiplayer  x amount of players on the server it freezes the main thread....
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Did that server install a @SnowDog1942 mod by any chance?  :suspicious:

He's always boasting his "kinematic body", so maybe that could be it.

And by the way, watch out for his "linear velocity"...  :fear:

 
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