PC Thoughts on Demolishers

I cant see that working on horde night with these guys showing up in groups. Also why did they not blow up? Do you have it turned off somehow? Everything we did set these guys off, everywhere we shot them had the timer going. One detonation and there goes all of that hard earned materials. Just so much damage. At least you have it so they will blow up 6 blocks away. Maybe we should make the outer structures out of wood and assume they are going to get blown up. Like inevitable.
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You are most likely right that a sorter of mine would not work on horde nights. I stresstested it with a 30-50 mix of cops, soldiers, nurses and demolishers, and i think an exploding cop took out the bladetrap (It just dissappeard, even with constant repair).

They don't blow up since that trap placement along with the half-blocks floor makes the fanblade hit them very slightly above the triggerpoint.

And ... well, not sure your aim are worse or better then mine. Belive it or not, i tried to hit the trigger spot with just about every shot in this video.

. Perhaps, with the M60, it is better to try to hit their spot rather then trying to avoid it. Not show in the video is the huge hole those demos blew just at the entrance to the path. I had forseen that, and made sure the entrance to the path was more then just dirt. And the pathway is made of steel btw, still took a decent beating. Pillars was made of cobblestone to shorten the video , and the spikes are just to make a path the zombies will break by themself, forcing them to start hitting the next pillar and so on...
That video also show a bit of your idea, design bases with redundancy , so it matters less if demolition zombies blow up or not. I think that is the easiest way to go when demolishers starting to show up.

 
You are most likely right that a sorter of mine would not work on horde nights. I stresstested it with a 30-50 mix of cops, soldiers, nurses and demolishers, and i think an exploding cop took out the bladetrap (It just dissappeard, even with constant repair).
They don't blow up since that trap placement along with the half-blocks floor makes the fanblade hit them very slightly above the triggerpoint.

And ... well, not sure your aim are worse or better then mine. Belive it or not, i tried to hit the trigger spot with just about every shot in this video.

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Yea the M60's spread made NOT hitting the detonator impossible but the M60 was the only weapon that consistently killed them. The SMG was a joke to them, The Magnum fired WAY too slow. We have seen 0 sniper rifles on the server since day 1, 0 rocket launchers. So those are not even possible to use. The M60 was it, that or nothing. A fully specced out hammer build could drop them over and over off a platform but I cant see how they are not taking out the base of the walkways when people are hitting them. By the 3rd or 4th one the pathway bellow you would be absolutely nonexistent from all the explosions, I cant see how yall are doing that, but thats just me. 12 dart traps is a non starter for us, we can barely keep us in a few thousand rounds of ammo, we just cant gather that much resources and we are on day 30ish. Honestly I think the admin having us on 2 hour days is making this worse than it should be some how. But these things showing up by the handfull constantly on horde night when we are only threat level 130 and 144 is just not working out.

 
My apologies to Laz Man, but someone wanted me to run demolition zombies through the previous setup at night.

So, 50 demolishers, at night.

 
My apologies to Laz Man, but someone wanted me to run demolition zombies through the previous setup at night.
So, 50 demolishers, at night.

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Its almost like the more demolishers there are with that setup then the easier it got. But why are they taking that path with barriers in the way when they usually just go for your base supports when they cant reach you. Honestly it just raises more questions. Like is the trigger only on the right side? So them facing that way would be way safer than heading them the opposite or head on.

 
Its almost like the more demolishers there are with that setup then the easier it got. But why are they taking that path with barriers in the way when they usually just go for your base supports when they cant reach you. Honestly it just raises more questions. Like is the trigger only on the right side? So them facing that way would be way safer than heading them the opposite or head on.
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I link the base to the pathway with spikes, one level lower then the main base. THAT, and only that is the key. Very simple concept, can be used in a lots of different ways and scaled up. I don't even feel bad using it, since it requires LOTS of repairs, it is not 100% safe and need a VERY active defense to work well. I could possibly defend a horde with just a repair gun and lots of materials, but so i can do with other setups too.

For the zombies, they see a path up the walkway->through the barrier->across the spikes->jump 1 block up->me.

However, they can't really jump while they stand on the spike and the spike breaks quickly. And once the spike are broken, so are the path, but, they see another one through the next barrier and so on, until no more spikes or barriers. Then they will attack the main base (Actually, they will attack any block save for dirt, and the base is possibly closest).

Since the developers really want to ruin every trick in the book, i don't fully expect this concept to last though. But at least for now, it does. Wonder what they'll come up.

My thought on the demolisher though, reading your post and others, is that it comes to early in multiplayer setups, due to the gamestage combination of multiple players.

 
My thought on the demolisher though, reading your post and others, is that it comes to early in multiplayer setups, due to the gamestage combination of multiple players.
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I think with just 1 Demo at a time, we probably would have been fine, at least for hours. Even cop zombies were were falling like flies to the lead we were spitting out. 1 cop zed might have gotten lucky eventually but who knows. 1 demo at a time and we were able to pick them off and focus fire before they could get to the top of the stairs. Even a few that did usually fell down before they blew up. More than likely 1 even alone would have gotten through and detonated at the right time, albeit much later.

There is going to be a severely limited way of dealing with this, and thats the long term problem. Every-bodies base will eventually have to use some variant of your solution, and not much else will likely work. In the end we will have maybe 2 or 3 working long term solutions, not a lot of creative ways past that as it stands now.

Thats not a fun game in the long run. We might as well be using cookie cutter bases at that point.

 
When a demolisher explodes, does the explosion just hit the first wall it encounters or does it go though and hit the blocks behind the wall?

 
When a demolisher explodes, does the explosion just hit the first wall it encounters or does it go though and hit the blocks behind the wall?
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According to my tests, it only hits the first wall. However, the block under the wall can also be damaged because the explosion causes spherical damage.

 
When a demolisher explodes, does the explosion just hit the first wall it encounters or does it go though and hit the blocks behind the wall?
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It just hits the first wall, however, corners can deceive. Also, the strength of the explosion are reduced the further out it goes.

IE: Like this , 2 block tall structure. Demolisher in the middle.

1-1-1-1-1

1-2-2-2-1

1-2-#-2-1

1-2-2-2-1

1-1-1-1-1

1 - Blocks not hit by explosion

2 - Blocks hit by explosion , even the corners.

# - Demolisher detonation

 
My apologies to Laz Man, but someone wanted me to run demolition zombies through the previous setup at night.
So, 50 demolishers, at night.

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I'm going to refrain from watching anymore of your test videos. Altho informative, it will ruin part of the fun of figuring it out (or at least making a few attempts before throwing my hands up lol)

 
I think with just 1 Demo at a time, we probably would have been fine, at least for hours. Even cop zombies were were falling like flies to the lead we were spitting out. 1 cop zed might have gotten lucky eventually but who knows. 1 demo at a time and we were able to pick them off and focus fire before they could get to the top of the stairs. Even a few that did usually fell down before they blew up. More than likely 1 even alone would have gotten through and detonated at the right time, albeit much later.
There is going to be a severely limited way of dealing with this, and thats the long term problem. Every-bodies base will eventually have to use some variant of your solution, and not much else will likely work. In the end we will have maybe 2 or 3 working long term solutions, not a lot of creative ways past that as it stands now.

Thats not a fun game in the long run. We might as well be using cookie cutter bases at that point.
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I know its disheartening not having a solution that works for you yet, but I encourage you not to give up. It is these challenges that adds more depth to the game and makes it even more rewarding when you come up with a solution.

If every challenge could be figured out right away it wouldnt really be a challenge worth overcoming. 😎

 
It just hits the first wall, however, corners can deceive. Also, the strength of the explosion are reduced the further out it goes.IE: Like this , 2 block tall structure. Demolisher in the middle.

1-1-1-1-1

1-2-2-2-1

1-2-#-2-1

1-2-2-2-1

1-1-1-1-1

1 - Blocks not hit by explosion

2 - Blocks hit by explosion , even the corners.

# - Demolisher detonation
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That actually is really good to know. Will help in planning some base defenses. Maybe sheet/plate blocks will play a bigger role for example. 😎👍

 
Perhaps...but I think it adds more depth/challenge/progression to base building. Since demos aren't supposed to show up until mid/late game, you can get away with simpler designs and then pushed to evolve or......die. 😅👍
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Got a bunch of them on day 21 horde. Do you consider that mid/late game?

 
I actually don't like the demolisher. Just doesnt fit in with the game and OP as heck. I can see the day when people will be riding around on their bikes and its not too far off. 4 of us on an all steel base and at least half a dozen explosions. did quite a bit of damage, far too much.

 
Banned? Damnit, he was supposed to +rep me later to compensate for his trigger happy -rep for a joke I made ... oh well :)

 
The guy was giving bad reputation for nothing to a lot of people. I spent my last days to +1rep those people to compensate :D

 
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