The discussions going on, on Steam, are clean in most cases. It's no more clean or dirty over on Steam than it is here. TFP have two forum / discussion boards. One here and one on Steam. They are both platforms for discussions about this game and TFP. They have their volunteer PR team manage them both. To place relevance on one part of a community moreover another because they communicate in two different locations or both, is pretty inconsiderate. Long story short, what you're saying is the Steam member part of community who communicates over Steam is part of a junkyard. Wow. The 7DTD forum is no different than any other forum on the internet and it's no different than if people were to communicate on the Steam discussion board - at least it shouldn't be, but according to you, it is.
This is one of the patterns that is bad. TFP, PR crew and part of the community have allowed the bias to sway this way and some people even encourage it. It's just another bad pattern to be lumped in with all the other bad patterns Reach Gaming talked about.
Nope. Meganoth is right: someone people - both : people against and for something should be banned on steam if their cross the line. I will try to explain why steam and forum is so diffrent - forum is just like small shop - you can check age of someone to know if you can sell him alcohol right because number of customers is low and mostly came people from neiborhood so most of time you see this same faces. But steam is like supermarket - there is a lot of customers and not enough cashiers. So they can't check everyone age so line is long. There is almost always new face etc. so this is much harder to do.
I have some groups on discord - some of them are rly good moderated like Toplitz group. Some of them are.... mess. This same thing with forums - some of them are clean like 7DTD forum someone of them are mess - for example there is topic about game mechanic but everyone talk about everyhing - someone want to sell car few people just argue about something controversial , someone is trolling, someone is flamming. But here? here situation is stable - no flamming, no trolling, no bots, etc.
TFP don't have PR crew. PR crew have - CD project, Techland, Activision etc. If you mean QA - this is diffrent thing that PR
So are you saying we should take the opinions on this forum with less salt, or what? If so, then you don't see the real problem here?
I agree. Some youtubers do use the "wow factor" in their opinions to gain more followers and money but I don't believe that's the case here. I believe he's explaining his natural point of view. He even pointed out some positive things as well (which somehow went unnoticed). But all of this brings us back to a main point.
1) You clearly have a biased opinion here, for obvious reasons. 2) The majority of this forum is riddled with nut huggers who wouldn't even dare speak bad about TFP or the game, and consistently ridicule those who do post anything negative.
Can you blame him? Why would he or anyone else come here and try to have a conversation? Especially after reading this thread.
Again, the main point. A person can't express their REAL negative opinions or problems with the game without having 50 nut nuggers coming to TFP's rescue and telling them that if they don't like it then come up with something better, or learn to mod the game. Who in their right mind would even try after reading several threads like these?
Edit: Nevermind you already addressed this and I didn't read it before I posted.
If you want a utopian forum where everyone only talks about how great the game is then just say so and stop hiding behind this fake "we're always open to have a discussion and resolve your issues" facade BS platitude. Just be honest. (note: This part isn't referencing you Laz Man. Just in general)
I'm writing a lot of negative things - i think Jost and Meganoth will agree about that - i don't like some TFP decisions, some trends connected with 7dtd but.... i'm cultural.
IF he can blame him? Yes. There is a lot of difftent channels on YT, Twitter , twitch etc. so if someone want to make disscusion - this person should write here because not everyone want to create account everywhere + check everyone. Do you have time to watch evey 7dtd's ytber everyday? i think not. So if they want to make discusion - they can write here. And small thinjg about YT - read comments is much much faster and easier to quote + you have check easy someone comments, But if you comment video you have too check and sometime even few times some parts of video + usually video is : 3 miutes about twitch, patrons etc about topic again adverstising topic adversting.
I'm trying to make convesation: you can check my and roland disscusion. I think 7DTD should be more edgier and darker. And how often someone shows up to support me ? almost never. But with thing like LBD , lack of zombie models etc. people agree with me while Devs don't. Yes i hate this "if you don't like this make to mod" guys but.. for example - if there would be during A10 more people that wanted zombie children they would probably add them because it was early stage of develpment. Now 7DTD is almost finished and it's almost too late for most things. So if you want something "fundemental" to works diffrent = wait for 7DTD 2 annoucments and write what do you think should something work then.
They don't want utopian forum just sometopic where so offten : LBD, water threats, food spoling over and over so some of us are just tired to write this same thing but that's true - we are open about diffrent opinions but this don't mean there will be a lot of answers about that
