PC The Offtopic, A17 thread.
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Jedo
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I defined what I meant by "gripers": people who will gripe about anything just to gripe. I was particularly thinking of those customers in the fast food business who might say, "You didn't give me my apple," and I would reply, "What's that sitting beside your tray?" Or maybe those people who misinterpret the tone of the cashier and get all in a huff.
1) I'm not giving TFP any advice on the matter.
2) I'm not suggesting that TFP be the one to shame and ridicule the people into going away.
3) I'm exactly talking about those people who aren't providing information about why they are upset or whose feedback is about things beyond the scope of the customer.
See #2 above.
Whether it approaches censorship depends on what we mean by that. I mean that I won't forcefully make them stop opining or even telling them that they are not allowed to have their opinion. I see nothing wrong with indicating to a person, in no uncertain terms, that I believe their opinion to be useless and wholly unwelcome.
I 100% agree with Raven on all he has said on this. In the real world, I am a small business owner with 20+ employees in the customer service business. I have hired a firm just to handle social media and internet ratings sites. Boy is it the best money ever spent! As a business owner, I DO want to hear negative reviews/complaints and, daresay, they are more valuable than the positive comments/reviews. Sometimes negative comments bring awareness to something that I need to address. I am not so eloquent in replying to them in an online format so having some organization or someone who is skilled at this is invaluable. Roland does a pretty darn good job at this for TFP. All that being said, there's a huge difference between negative reviews/comments and comments filled with nastiness, rage and ridiculous statements ie 'developers don't know wat thay doin'". Don't give it back to them as they gave it to you, thank them for their opinions and wish them well. It does not pay to get into pissing contests with these people. Reddit is full of examples of what happens when you do. I have complained about some things in the past about parts of the game but have never surrounded it with emotion. I say what I felt, tried to explain why then let it go. It either gets addressed or not, no big deal, I said my piece. This is a game after all.
(Just stating knowns)
TFP as a company are successful with how they have been running and dealing with things as a company. Even with their style of PR, as the sales have indicate year after year.
Since it's inception as a company, it has been growing with each and every new build year after year (again pointing at sales).
The only sure thing is: 'Time'
Could they be more successful with a dedicated PR firm? maybe/maybe not.
Do you rock the boat and change your strategy on how your dealing with everything? (PR in this instance)
or
Do you stay the course and assess how things go 'after' this latest release goes?
Time will tell if they need to reassess the PR area but no amount of speculation from ppl they don't know is going to change that, till the results are in. Even then I doubt they will take advice from any of us whether you agree with how they are doing things or not.
Maybe, you and others are right in them needing (or needing to look into) a dedicated PR firm, but maybe your not <shrug>
All I know is, ppl have been stating they need to get a dedicated PR firm/ person, since the game has been released and the sales have been growing all this time so far, with them doing what they have been doing.
Maybe you got my intent wrong. My intent was not to criticize TFP or say that they should get a pr firm, that is just what I did. My intent was to say having someone, in my case a pr firm, handle the ugly posts and Roland is handling it for the fun pimps in a similar manner. If I had a way with words as he has, maybe I wouldn't need a pr firm at all.....I just don't have that. Roland has been more than patient with the ugly posts, rarely having them get him angry....as evidenced by his 15 rewrites of a post above. Some were suggesting to respond in kind to the posters of those comments, I'm suggesting you handle it with tact as Roland has attempted and which the pr firm does for me....don't give them any more reason to spew the garbage.
skippy0330
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this is like arguing 60 percent is a pass, I should do as good as i possibly can with that right? Simple growth doesn't = success. TFP have been successful, there is no denying that, but your arugements are pretty inccorect, saying "just stating knowns" doesn't make them knowns, it makes it a statement from you. This is how fake news is spread. they are not knowns.
I've seen many of my friends drop off the radar with this game and move on since A16, and it's sad. Simple news updates to steam would literally reach 90 percent of the audience. Not everyone goes to forums for everything, I only frequent this one as it's my favorite game.
There are rabid people who don't understand estimates and deadlines yes, and they are mouthy. Ignore them, you'll never please that person, if you did updates fast, they'd ask for more content.
Ignoring your core fans and taking on a "side project" attitude doesn't help, having proper P.R, a proper social media presence is key, and necessary in this business climate. Why WOULDN'T you do that for the growth.
there is nothing wrong with criticizing the length and the way communication is done. Simply hating on things because it's not fast enough, and ignoring information presented, is though, and for that I don't blame TFP for moving all the comments.
If you would like to comapre games that came out around the same time, trying to do similar things in different environments, is ark, ark had a huge media presence, in a very very overdone category they are WAY more successful than 7 days. 7 days could be where Ark is now, it's literally the only good vox game out there aside from minecraft, it has no competition, where Ark has TONS
With that media presense they were able to avoid a whole meltdown during the lawsuit times and stay in touch with fans and modders alike. That made the game grow big time.
TL;DR not everyone is going to come to you, you're the customer, they are the business. It is up to the business to reach out to the customer, not the customer. If my cable goes down, its nice to know from a tweet or email from my provider, instead of having to root throuh 2700 pages of nonsense.
p.s *edit. Just to add, if there wasn't tons of people upset about delays, there wouldn't be people passionate about the game, and that says volumes for the potential here.
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wolfbain5
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those werent zombies, they were humans devolved to animal intelligence that he could bring back. these are dead and rotting. your logic is flawedI was watching I am Legend, and first 15 minute of movie looks like it is trailer of 7DTD. When I first start playing this game year ago, I had already watch the movie and I told my brother it is loosely based on that movie. And in that movie Zombie even set a Trap, so yeah they can.
I'm siding with Gronk here (though I think I understand very well how it might not be your cuppa of tea - I got a few german friends - when I ran as an admin/mod on a german game server we had very strict rules about referencing 'that period / ideology' in any way shape or form).
IMO anything that can't be joked about anymore at all is dangerous in and off itself. At the very least when something becomes unspoken off memory fades and reaffirmation of the social norm with it, which leads to re-emergence of strengthening of the thing that was avoided.
I'm assuming that at least everyone who recognizes the meme as a spiel on Der Untergang, is aware of the issues covered by that movie and that is a good thing. Everyone who asks can be educated.
Humor releases tension and makes unspeakable things speakable. Mockery (which this also is) reduces the import to managable proportions. In my observation these things are usually most offensive for those who would take whatever is behind it serious (!I am NOT saying that is you at ALL! - please don't t take it that way). I can think of a few examples, but that would bring RL issues into a game forum - I'll do Roland the favour of not doing that - he's got enough work already.
Ofcourse there is no rule that you actually have to like it - accounting for taste in humour is pretty much impossible and black humour isn't everyones thing).
wildaxeman1
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c'mon Ayrton, do you see date?? i don't. may be ANY sunday.
Seeing paraguay, i'm going to assume that is a question not a troll.
No, that's not what it said - there is a conditional in there that you missed.
WHEN you see Streams of a 17 going up the intention is to have experimental into the waiting punters hands by the monday following that.
When that is going to be is "undetermined" but "soon" but not before "ready".
hope that helps.
Royal Deluxe
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Who are you sir? You look like some cheese bread guy I once knew... is that mold around the edges?
Sorry time delay, i am still busy in "Empyrion" and "No mans sky" universes. But my ship heads toward earth.
Dont want to miss the next zombie apocalypse.
And my crust is fine, the void is good for bread.