The missed post from JaWoodle

[Soulmonster]

I believe we will find if it was legal very soon - looking how quickly it's moving. I don't think a guy with a legal advice would be that stubborn being wrong there.

He didn't share any code. We have to be very specific there. That would be very illegal.

This is it. I think many people, myself included, expected them to finally act in our favor, especially after some devs spoke so openly about it when it happened. That's why, apart from a portion of this forum and a few paid or unpaid die-hard supporters, there's so much negativity toward them.

No, this will never get before a judge. They will settle or one of them will simply give in. We will never get a legal verdict on this.

You are right, I was sloppy saying the code had been disclosed. It is the result of the code JaWoodle disclosed, and then refused to remove resulting in TFP deciding to take action.

"Act in our favor"? Who are we in this sentence? I certainly don't have any skin in the game. As far as I am concerned, this is between a youtuber who refused to not disclose proprietary content he had received and the owner of that content. TFP hasn't treated me badly at any point in time. Just the notion that they could treat me badly is ridiculous.

I have zero understanding of people who claim TFP has done anything to them by not developing a game the way they want. Gamers feel entitlement because they ave played 1,000 hours or so, because the game in is development, and because the developers have asked for opinions. Instead of just playing games they enjoy and leaving it at that, they behave as if this somehow matters to them and their lives, causing all kinds of drama and conflicts. It's just a ■■■■ing computer game. I miss the days when kids would buy a game and play it and then move on. Now people with minority opinions can meet likeminded in echo chambers on the Internet to discuss and magnify their minor grievances and complaints, rally behind their youtuber heroes who have monetized gaming like soldiers behind a general, and organize campaigns to try to hurt game developers who they feel have done something against them. Fans are the worst.

 

[Jost Amman]

Aquasations? Am I making you wet? LMAO!

Yes. With your Martini!

 

[Satosik]

organize campaigns to try to hurt game developers who they feel have done something against them. Fans are the worst.

I would also get emotional about things you just wrote except we are talking about the devs that just tried to blame us for delaying bandits and did tons things like this for the entire development process. I understand what you mean but company you try to decribe there is not TFP.

 

[Jost Amman]

I understand what you mean but company you try to decribe there is not TFP.

You talk like this guy:

Spoiler

 

[Kyoji]

I would also get emotional about things you just wrote except we are talking about the devs that just tried to blame us for delaying bandits and did tons things like this for the entire development process. I understand what you mean but company you try to decribe there is not TFP.

This makes no sense. They simply stated that due to adding all the changes people wanted the bandit update would take longer to release. It's common sense.

The tons of things you must be referring to is listening to the player base and making a genuine effort to appease a jaded community who missed old school 7D2D.

I myself appreciate the fact they have listened and made changes as it shows they care about what the community thinks.

 

[zztong]

I can't really add anything to the discussion in terms of facts about what happened or is happening, but...

petty crime

I would point out I don't see a criminal angle here. The Creator Program would be contract law, copyright is civil law, and any NDA dispute would be civil law unless the "US Economic Espionage Act" were somehow involved. Copyright claims don't need a contract.

"Crime" suggests the wrong court. There is no prosecutor. Nobody is going to jail.

 

[Jost Amman]

I would point out I don't see a criminal angle here. The Creator Program would be contract law, copyright is civil law, and any NDA dispute would be civil law unless the "US Economic Espionage Act" were somehow involved. Copyright claims don't need a contract.

"Crime" suggests the wrong court. There is no prosecutor. Nobody is going to jail.

Probably he was using that term in the wider popular sense.

 

[Satosik]

This makes no sense. They simply stated that due to adding all the changes people wanted the bandit update would take longer to release. It's common sense.

To make it crystal clear: they released a low quality update that the community never asked for, then blamed us for having higher expectations because meeting those expectations would take more development time. It's easy to confuse cause and effect here.

I myself appreciate the fact they have listened and made changes as it shows they care about what the community thinks.

From my point of view, they only started a dialogue with the community after the review bombing and the extremely bad PR.

 

[Kyoji]

To make it crystal clear: they released a low quality update that the community never asked for, then blamed us for having higher expectations because meeting those expectations would take more development time. It's easy to confuse cause and effect here.

Show me where they blamed you. Give me the direct quote. You probably heard that from someone like Rob and went with his narrative.

It's not rocket science. If they work on the changes then don't get mad at them if bandits are delayed. If you think they are bad developers then fine stop playing and go play something else.

From my point of view, they only started a dialogue with the community after the review bombing and the extremely bad PR.

Very possible. But that doesn't change the fact they are listening now. If you continue to blame them for everything and give them no credit then there is no incentive for them to listen to anyone and it doesn't pay off. People will just whine and cry regardless. Easier to just ignore them and move on.

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Also, I notice another YouTube social activist More2Me 4Life that is encouraging people to down vote the game. These people are toxic for the community.

 

[HammerDano]

This makes no sense. They simply stated that due to adding all the changes people wanted the bandit update would take longer to release. It's common sense.

The tons of things you must be referring to is listening to the player base and making a genuine effort to appease a jaded community who missed old school 7D2D.

I myself appreciate the fact they have listened and made changes as it shows they care about what the community thinks.

just to remind you....the 2.0 "■■■■ storm" that led TFP to the conclusion that they would do the Sandbox Update...was caused by them NOT LISTENING FOR YEARS. It was only after the review bomb that they LISTENED

They do themselves no favors by being so poor at communication.

 

[Kyoji]

just to remind you....the 2.0 "■■■■ storm" that led TFP to the conclusion that they would do the Sandbox Update...was caused by them NOT LISTENING FOR YEARS. It was only after the review bomb that they LISTENED

They do themselves no favors by being so poor at communication.

What does that have to do with woodle? If you want to create a "TFP used be terrible and didn't listen to its community" thread feel free.

At the moment, they are listening and doing a decent enough job that I feel warrants praise.

 

[Jost Amman]

What does that have to do with woodle? If you want to create a "TFP used be terrible and didn't listen to its community" thread feel free.

Haters gonna hate

 

[HammerDano]

What does that have to do with woodle? If you want to create a "TFP used be terrible and didn't listen to its community" thread feel free.

At the moment, they are listening and doing a decent enough job that I feel warrants praise.

what does that have to do with woodle? didn't know everything had to relay back to him, but, here's a reason: he gets blamed for causing the "■■■■ storm" because he made a vid after 2.0.

It seems you do understand why I pointed that out...TFP caused the ■■■■ storm because they didn't listen for years. It doesn't require a separate thread for something that is well known.
Because they have not really outwardly changed how they communicate, many people might disagree with you that they are listening well now. So, I agree to disagree with that premise. oh well.

 

[meganoth]

To make it crystal clear: they released a low quality update that the community never asked for, then blamed us for having higher expectations because meeting those expectations would take more development time. It's easy to confuse cause and effect here.

So did they "tried to blame us for delaying bandits" (your own words) or "blame us for having higher expectations" because they were **not** taking extra development time and not delaying some more?

Or are you trying to shift the argument?

From my point of view, they only started a dialogue with the community after the review bombing and the extremely bad PR.

Exactly, for the specific section of the "community" that was surprised and disappointed with the game that TFP really wanted to create. I agree. Though TFP promised "us" (a different section of the community) in their kickstarter pitch the game they have been developing all along. Where is the promise they would make a game that suits you? I don't see it.

 

[HammerDano]

So did they "tried to blame us for delaying bandits" (your own words) or "blame us for having higher expectations" because they were **not** taking extra development time?

Or are you trying to shift the argument?



Exactly, for the specific section of the "community" that was surprised and disappointed with the game that TFP really wanted to create. I agree. Though TFP promised "us" (a different section of the community) in their kickstarter pitch the game they have been developing all along. Where is the promise they would make a game that suits you? I don't see it.

jesus wept...what is your real argument here?

 

[theFlu]

So did they "tried to blame us for delaying bandits" (your own words) or "blame us for having higher expectations" because they were **not** taking extra development time and not delaying some more?

I don't have a link to it, and comments in video format are annoying to search for (or at least I don't know how tbh).
But as I recall the comment was roughly
"You guys didn't like it*, so we have to fix it and delay other development (like bandits)"
It* referring to just-released changes in 2.0... not sure if he specifically mentioned bandits, but I think he did.

So, both. Blaming "our dislike of it" for dev delays covers both already.

 

[Satosik]

If you think they are bad developers then fine stop playing and go play something else.

These people are toxic for the community.

Quite unfortunate. Telling me/people what to do with my time is bit toxic, please don't.

Show me where they blamed you.

"But if YOU want storms to be better...". That's a clear shifting responsibility. Community didn't do bad, unwanted update. TFP did.

Very possible. But that doesn't change the fact they are listening now. If you continue to blame them for everything and give them no credit then there is no incentive for them to listen to anyone and it doesn't pay off. People will just whine and cry regardless. Easier to just ignore them and move on.

So it is "very possible" because people reacted. 2.0 had valid criticism. 3.0 received a positive response, even on reddit, I can't see many people whining about it.

So did they "tried to blame us for delaying bandits" (your own words) or "blame us for having higher expectations"

Meeting (our) higher expectations will delay bandits.

Where is the promise they would make a game that suits you? I don't see it.

They never have to but they started doing it after the backlash and I'm grateful they're willing to work/listen with us now.

"You guys didn't like it*, so we have to fix it and delay other development (like bandits)"

He mentioned bandits and the impact that fixing the update would have on their staff.