I'm not even against recipe unlocks, but outside of books, there's Every reason to go out and loot crap. You find "doing the same thing over and over again" tedious/grindy; I find "looting a thousand magazines, again" preventing me from starting new playthroughs. I tried with 2.5. I played for a day, haven't gone back yet.
That's been my experience as well. Not much mining, but maybe 3000 each to get the approach to a converted POI; zombie height blocks of a portion of the POI; and potential fight windows upgraded to cobblestone and enough ammo to last the night when melee stamina runs out and/or to get zombies who stop to beat on blocks instead to get moving again. That's also counting small, day 7 horde bases built from scratch. There's not enough in loot or pallets to properly prepare unless you stake out a a couple warehouses or other POIs with a lot of pallets on your own if not relying on trader odd jobs to get you there in my experience in which event, you may as well do a little mining instead. Much easier and less time consuming than fighting off zombies to get to pallets when you have more interesting things to do and, at about that amount, possibly a little or a lot left over for other things such as the forge.
LBR incentivizes exploration and you have to go around in potentially unsafe areas to get the books (e.g.: Crack a Book stores, city streets), while LBD just incentivizes dumb repetition. I'm not saying you can't just play organically and level up with LBD, you can, but in that case you're not making active choices like you do when you assign skill points after a level up.
And what is the difference between that and LBD grinding? None.
If you can't understand what is the correlation between your statement and what I said i don't know how to explain it to you, sorry.
If there's no difference, then I suppose you can't hate one and like the other.. neither can I? How is this even a discussion?
Dear Commander Adama, you should well know that gravity wells are escapable; only the ones large enough to form black holes, aren't. Do you not?If you can't understand what is the correlation between your statement and what I said i don't know how to explain it to you, sorry.
Can't say I appreciate the insinuation considering I picked up this game with Alpha 21 and have never played the old, exclusively LBD system, but whatever. I can assure you, I have no preference for one over the other, especially exclusively, for this game because when it comes to "choice and consequence," I care only about the actual choices and consequences of the cRPGs of old that significantly change the game world as well as the fates of characters and consider choice of weapons, etc. neglible because they're usually all designed to be as equally effective as possible with buffs and nerfs going on interminably. It's where people come by the impression that modern RPGs are "dumbed down."I've tried to explain this several times to several people here, but apparently this is hard to understand for LBD fans.
It wasn't directed at you, I was sharing it with you.
That comment was directed AT YOU, it doesn't apply to me since for me THERE IS a difference.
What difference does it make who it was directed at? None.
I will try one more time to explain something that should be simple to a convoluted mind...
And you told me that I'm WRONG in my personal preference. If you expect me to take that at face value, then I don't know what to tell you. If you wanted to know why I dislike magazines, you could've asked, I'd have told you. Instead you told me I CAN'T dislike books, because LBD can be described as grindy as well. I don't know if it's English or logic that I'm trying to teach you, but ...
The only way I can understand things is the words you post. If you post nonsense, I'll reply with mildly hostile nonsense.
Isn't rage and hate pretty much characteristic of the "gamer" community at this point? Never ceases to amaze how many players claim they love a game and somehow think that justifies trashing the developers of that very same game. Twisted doesn't cover it.
Since after 2.0 the developers have made a lot of good decisions, and we can see that the tension has dropped a bit after 2.5. Honestly, I like the direction they’ve taken. Earlier I was quite toxic when I first started writing on the forum, but now I’m excited about what we’re going to get. I understood that I can’t have everything, and I accept that. Obviously, like everyone else, I’d like to have a lot of things, but I don’t intend to be negative just because of my personal wants.
That's a tricky concept.
I agree with much of this, your analogy falls a little flat (for me) because these guys ARE the artist and someone else did not mix the "final cut"...in fact the "final cut" of this game has yet to be recorded and mastered, but, the meat of it stands. The fans fell in love with what they had...and then the "vision" changed...and then THAT "vision" changed. If anything, the biggest problem I see, is that they have let perfection be the enemy of something good. Instead of adding to what they had, they change direction...then change it again...while NOT ADDING the bigger elements people have been waiting for (bandits and story) which, to some, makes it LOOK like, every change in direction is a desperate bid to give themselves even more time to try and figure "it" out.
It's just an impression and could be completely off the mark, but I've said myself TFP seems to have allowed perfectionism to get the better of them at some point and that the creative tug of war between a minority of players and TFP over base building, especially -- that actually resulted in some improvements to the game -- seems to have turned toxic at some point, i.e. ceased to be a creative tug of war and became a war of control over. Appearances, however, can be deceiving. So, I don't take my impressions for absolute truth and consider any and all speculation just that. And speculation on the part of the vast majority of community members has been anything but generous or compassionate toward TFP, imo.
