Rockspider
Refugee
Amen to that. Choice of play style is very important in this game.
PC The absolute biggest problem with A17 (and I guarantee I'm right) is....
- Thread starter Ghostlight
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My experience so far. I'm, of course, assuming a perfectly tuned game will have the player(s) actually killing off the BM horde BEFORE dawn, but not before 2am.
Assuming you try to tackle the horde head on, Nomad is straight up too much. The game stage throws more weight in zombies than you can expect to chew through in the evening, and you end up with a set of zombies milling about your base when dawn hits. I'm confident that by the time dawn hit, the BM horde doesn't have many more zombies on reserve.
If I had a second set of hands, we probably could have nearly doubled our defensive options and munition stockpile and pretty easily dealt with it, however.
I'm knocking my difficulty down to Adventurer for my SP game and see how the Day 35 horde comes along. I'm still relying extensively on spike traps and molotovs, as I don't have the power generation and resources to establish powered defenses on day 34. I DO at least have a mediocre supply of ammunition, so I still expect to not finish off the horde completely (the week was spent looking for some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ beakers)
So, I'm guessing (hypothesizing even), that Adventurer is better for SP. Nomad is better for coop, and Warrior is better for hosted servers with more than 2-3 people.
Assuming you try to tackle the horde head on, Nomad is straight up too much. The game stage throws more weight in zombies than you can expect to chew through in the evening, and you end up with a set of zombies milling about your base when dawn hits. I'm confident that by the time dawn hit, the BM horde doesn't have many more zombies on reserve.
If I had a second set of hands, we probably could have nearly doubled our defensive options and munition stockpile and pretty easily dealt with it, however.
I'm knocking my difficulty down to Adventurer for my SP game and see how the Day 35 horde comes along. I'm still relying extensively on spike traps and molotovs, as I don't have the power generation and resources to establish powered defenses on day 34. I DO at least have a mediocre supply of ammunition, so I still expect to not finish off the horde completely (the week was spent looking for some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ beakers)
So, I'm guessing (hypothesizing even), that Adventurer is better for SP. Nomad is better for coop, and Warrior is better for hosted servers with more than 2-3 people.
madmole
Refugee
I've been griping to Gazz for weeks now to increase early game firearm damage and nerf zombie kill xp 30%, and double passive XP gains, at least roughly. I'd do it but I'm busy overhauling the entire economy right now because by the time you can afford a gun or something cool you can craft your own better one and most prices are just all over the place making traders pretty much worthless. I'm going to stock them with building supplies, more ammo, more meds, more food, etc. Its not going to be a one stop shop for everything you need, but they aren't going to be worthless any more.
Jugginator
Tester
Awesome! Right on man. I admit the traders tend to have more decorative things than useful stuff. Mainly when I go to a trader I'm just hoping for some iron or steel tools. I rarely see building stuff and food, etc.
Ghostlight
Refugee
I was more aiming at the endless posts saying the game is too hard, old base styles are pointless etc
Thecolours
Refugee
Stock them with mods while your at it.
Roland
Community Moderator
Subjective. A17 is the most fun version I have played since A5. It is an absolute blast and especially with my family members we feel that we need to work together more than in the past. There are definitely aspects that are tougher for me but I really enjoy that challenge.
I disagree. Old building methods are no longer perfectly effective and there are new building methods that are more effective waiting to be discovered. I have a method that works amazingly well and I haven't seen it shared yet and it involves a moat. This is part of why this version is so fun. It reminds me of when I first started and explored different base designs to find what worked. For the past several alphas there has been no need for innovation or new creativity because what works best has been known. Finally we have people posting again that building a base is impossible alongside threads of people sharing their new strategies. It's been so long since anyone thought building was impossible.
er...buy the perk and there you go.
Disagree. I don't like them either but I can still be whoever I want to be. I've specialized at least four different ways now and those games felt quite different for it. I pick one primary attribute and one supporting and I only spend points in those two. It is a blast and introduces interesting challenges. I have no problem with playing as a nomad, building a base underground or above ground, fortifying POI's, whatever.
Obviously we have different playstyles. I like a slow progression and I enjoy the part of the game when I am vulnerable so it is a great deal of fun for me. If the level gates were gone I would have more freedom to jump ahead to certain perks if I wanted during different playthroughs so I'm for their removal and will probably play a mod that removes them when I am in the mood for something else but I still haven't explored the entire gamespace offered by the attributes and perks and quests all in addition to surviving.
As long as they have a good chance of having a beaker, engine, and food, i'd say that's a pretty huge step up in how useful they are. Right now, I go to the trader for iron, oil, and steel mostly to repair tools I can't make and to make molotovs to survive BM. Beakers are a huge RNG gate and the trader is a good place of last resort (or first resort) to obtain them.
JCrook1028
Refugee
Airdrops as well. I got my first beaker in house loot, got my next two in a single airdrop. D11 I have 3.
I play a builder type and I’ll admit I’m struggling exp wise. So I’m super happy to see madmole address the issue and say they are going to look at it.
However I disagree with those that say that builders are risk free. I can’t count the amount of times I’ve been jumped! The thing with fighter types is when you go into a house you expect to find zombies you can control the difficulty by assessing the size and type of building.
Builders have 2 issues the first is being randomly jumped while not paying attention, sometimes it’s just an odd roamer other times it’s a pack of feral’s and no amount of hiding in the house is gonna save you especially if your lower level.
Not to mention screamers... builders have to judge their heat and deal with the constant screamers fail to get one before it gets you and you have a horde of god knows what!
The builder style play is not safe! Me and my husband play together I’m level 15 or so he’s 30 he’s off fighting and looting if I get jumped or a heat horde honestly I have worse skill (both player and character) worse weapons and generally less ability to deal with it. Generally I simply die and then have to cope with death sickness... but sometimes I actually manage to run away, I almost never kill whatever got me.
However I disagree with those that say that builders are risk free. I can’t count the amount of times I’ve been jumped! The thing with fighter types is when you go into a house you expect to find zombies you can control the difficulty by assessing the size and type of building.
Builders have 2 issues the first is being randomly jumped while not paying attention, sometimes it’s just an odd roamer other times it’s a pack of feral’s and no amount of hiding in the house is gonna save you especially if your lower level.
Not to mention screamers... builders have to judge their heat and deal with the constant screamers fail to get one before it gets you and you have a horde of god knows what!
The builder style play is not safe! Me and my husband play together I’m level 15 or so he’s 30 he’s off fighting and looting if I get jumped or a heat horde honestly I have worse skill (both player and character) worse weapons and generally less ability to deal with it. Generally I simply die and then have to cope with death sickness... but sometimes I actually manage to run away, I almost never kill whatever got me.
Luzifer
Refugee
I decided to adapt with the fast gamestagerise and avoid first week killing zeds as much as i can.
I also primarily accept treasure hunting quests instead of clear/loot ones, because the houses are packed with many Xp.
That way i get precious booty and still remain on lower Levels.
Edit: Tfp want us to actually go out and venture the World, not staring at rocktextures, mining somewhere in no-where.
I also primarily accept treasure hunting quests instead of clear/loot ones, because the houses are packed with many Xp.
That way i get precious booty and still remain on lower Levels.
Edit: Tfp want us to actually go out and venture the World, not staring at rocktextures, mining somewhere in no-where.
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Ghostlight
Refugee
This. And Cooking Pots.
Ghostlight
Refugee
I found this to be a mistake. There are many key perks gated behind level (20, 30, 40 etc) that greatly increase player "firepower" in a non-linear fashion (e.g the stat point that increases your melee damage to where it knocks down on first hit and ultimately 2- or 3-shots the basic zombies is a super valuable stat point, so you want to get to that point asap - same with the point that gives you concrete, or Steel etc etc).
Yes your gamestage rises quicker but you are considerably more able to deal with it.
If you really want to control GS just kill yourself in a controlled way (eg at your base when the debuff will have least effect). Death hugely reduces it (too much imo).
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Viktoriusiii
Refugee
This encapsulates the problem with A17.
We get published for trying our best.
Instead of getting rewarded for beeing lvl 30 with good damage, they increase the difficulty.
Level should not (or only very marginally) influence the gamestage. I want to feel good about my progress, not regret levelling to the level I have fun at.
Kalarro
Refugee
Another topic asuming the complains are about difficulty.
I KNOW I need to make a maze of non important materials or funnel zombnies to cheese the AI now instead of doing a cool base. I just DONT like it. It's not hard, its unfun.
Same with the amount of zombies and combat. It's not hard, actually I find it easier than in a16. I dont know why but after a few perks my wood club destroys zombies so fast. But the ammount of zombies and combat needed is too much, its freaking boring. I want to fight sure, but I want to gather and build even more. And right now the game totally tries to focus on the fighting.