You know, that may be part of it I hadn't really thought of. In older versions it felt like most the POIs you came across, especially in the small cities and town were mostly ruined. There were only a few kind of intact POIs then. So while there was loot to be had, it didn't feel like it was anything too crazy. But now the cities are full of big POIs that are mostly full of loot. Maybe if the cities were mostly ruins it wouldn't be so bad.
I understand what you mean and that really is down to the switch from LBD to LBL. The wilderness is useless for anything other than traversal and I get the sense no one really thought about that when instituting the LBL system rather than refining what they had and/or maybe going hybrid as is being discussed now. May as well have made it an urban setting rather than an open world because only the towns and cities have the resources you'll need to level at a reasonable pace other than wood and ores. Of course, many will argue they'll stay in the wilderness anyway. Sure. Once they have high tier vehicles and can zip or fly across the map.
You might be right; everyone has a different take on the game.Rose tinted glasses is all I'll say regarding your comment.
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Or simply of emptiness.
Yes, the game used to suffer from lag, but TFP fixed this issue in later versions. Now, buildings and player-built bases no longer cause lag due to their size. These are all very tangible improvements.
There's an excess of loot, which is causing all players to want to build their homes near merchants. We need to break this dependency. Otherwise, it will lead to very unhealthy gameplay. This is especially true in multiplayer servers, where you can see that virtually all players are building near merchants.
Since each subsequent version brings significant improvements in graphics quality, you'd have to really force yourself to play the older versions
This won’t affect the current state—the map is currently fixed, though it used to be infinite. We’re simply restoring a lost option so that everyone has a choice.
That is just a bug in 2.5 that is supposed to have been fixed for 2.6. I haven't tried 2.6, so don't know for sure if it was fixed or not. I don't think that's a map/RWG issue at all. I think it's just a chunk or mesh issue.
A lot of it comes down to them wanting to keep RWG easy to use and fast. Sure, I have a LOT more control over how my maps look in Teragon, and for that reason I use Teragon for almost every map I play. However, Teragon requires a lot of time to learn how to do everything and how to adjust parameter values in a way that will give you what you're looking for. It also takes far longer to generate a map because of all of the additional options you have available. For me, that isn't a bad thing. But for the majority of players, I think having a simple (limited options) map generator that can make maps in a couple of minutes like RWG is a better option for vanilla. If people really want to have more control, it's not hard to grab Teragon and spend some time learning to use it in order to make some really great maps, or even just use a default preset without changing anything so you can make maps without spending any time learning Teragon. But although I really love using Teragon, I don't think trying to make RWG similar to Teragon would be a good idea. That doesn't mean they couldn't implement certain features that Teragon has into RWG, such as actual rivers instead of river stamps.
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Well, back when 1.0 was only avalaible, i tried A16 and it was very easy and nice experience, also for me graphics werent as terrible as people were saying
It's apparently considered "meta" to play it that way, though I wouldn't want to. It's been mentioned before that there are too many great POIs about to be tethered to a vendor, but loot and magazines are concentrated in the towns and cities along with POIs, especially with the present RPG dungeon-style POIs, Crack-a-Books, etc., and that's town/city-wide. How would you suggest it be more evenly distributed other than wilderness? I'd think including more POIs in the wilderness might help with that, perhaps even rural stretches of main roadway with housing along the way as opposed to all single, dirt lanes with single cabins, etc., at the end, but not "infinite" maps.
One problem with limited maps is that they make you feel like you're trapped in a box. Also, larger maps offer more possibilities—like an ocean or an endless river. None of this is possible on current maps because they're simply too small. Of course, it’s impossible for a single player to explore an entire 10K map, but the presence of boundaries makes the possibilities feel rigid. For example, if I’m playing on an 8K map, when I’m at coordinates 3000 or -3000 in a certain area, I can usually predict what lies ahead in the next section I’m about to explore. This is a narrow, limited perspective. But if I were using an infinite map, even at the 5,000 mark, I wouldn’t be able to predict what the next area I’m about to explore will look like. That is the benefit of an infinite map.
We’re not talking about exploring every single area, but rather the possibilities that might arise. On the current fixed map, do you expect to come across an ocean? Impossible! Because you know there won’t be one. What can you expect on the largest map available today? A massive city, a few low hills. That’s all there is. An infinite map isn’t about having insufficient areas to explore; it’s about the anticipation of possibilities. The real driving force comes from the fact that you can’t predict what might happen in the next area you explore.For me an infinite map size would be practically useless, as in I would not travel there "usually" - but I'd love removing that border. It's not a big deal, but knowing I'm stuck in a big sandbox does bother me a bit.
Using it to "expand" servers, as in to try and allow people to find their own corner of the world and not be camping at the same trader.. I don't think it'd really work. People might move further, but they'd just settle next to the first "free" trader. The traders would still be necessary for resetting POIs on servers, and mightily useful otherwise; the open world just can't compete.
Some nomads might just wander into the distance, but are they really playing on the server then?
7DTD is losing its sense of exploration, which is a real shame. Take, for example, the snow-covered effects from before A16, the ability to assemble weapons with a quality of 600, and the infinite maps. It’s not that the game hasn’t improved over so many updates—at the very least, its graphics, models, and optimization are now among the best in the industry.
yep, so much cool stuff was gone
The only thing i would argue, is about optimisation, which is not the best honestly! Cause seeing some objects dissapear after 20 block meters is kinda weird in 2026! Surely it got better since 1.0 but still lots of work to do towards it
I’ve played a lot of games made with the Unity engine—for example, I’ve spent nearly 2,000 hours playing Valheim. It’s only when you compare it to 7DTD that you realize just how excellent 7DTD’s optimization is; you really need a point of comparison to appreciate its quality. That said, 7DTD’s AI optimization needs to be addressed, because the game gets extremely laggy when we’re surrounded by a zombie horde—no matter what specs you have, the AI just can’t handle it.
Ok, but what difference does it make if you can (or cannot) predict what's next if, even in the infinite map, you'll basically get the same stuff over and over? Again, I get your sentiment, but with the current game assets and map mechanics what "you think" you'd get is simply not there.
If you roll back to version A16 or A15 and enable the infinite map, you can explore the map layout and soak in the atmosphere—you’ll clearly notice the difference. This isn’t just superficial; it’s a genuine difference.
I played the infinite map version, I've been playing for many years 7D2D, so I know what you're talking about.
