PC (SPOILER) A17.1 B9 - Mining - Things... Seem Changed (with screen shots)

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- The comment was made that "sometimes" developers reply, but sometimes don't, but they always reply if there is a correction needed. This would mean logically if no reply is made, then no correction is needed. "always" reply is context dependent as such. A better word than "always" could perhaps have been used in such a context though.

Now I don't necessarily agree with ^^ statement, but it seems that just about every argument that forms around here is a simple mis-interpretation of some statement. I have already seen at least 3-4 of these today. I get a little frustrated that this seems to be happening so much that meaningful debate does not occur very much anymore, so I wanted to apply this correction. I mean, a whole page of back and forth over such a silly misunderstanding is crazy lol. I'm guilty of this too, but most people are reasonably intelligent, and I don't think we should assume someone is stupid when it is possible (likely, even) we actually misinterpreted them.

People like to be right, or prove themselves right, and don't like to admit when they're wrong though, it's a matter of pride. I know, because I've been there too. I've also been guilty of arguing with someone for several messages only to find... I did not interpret what they said right. Lol. I know this now though, so I try to be more aware of it.

Now, can folks get back to actually discussing mining?? lol

 
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ok, I give up, how are y'all seeing the ores underground like that. I can't find the option to show that. (not for lack of trying either)
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open your Blocks XML file in your 7D2D installation folder under Config. In there there's a section commented out for Ore Visualization. Once you set that up, launch your game and turn on Debug Menu/Mode and then god mode with no collisions. You can fly around underground to look at everything.

Tips so far aren't helping?

Best tip I can give if you're doing a lot of deep underground mining, is to mine about 12-15 blocks above bedrock. You'll hit more iron and veins overall. But you will find some big gaps that deep.

 
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Hey guys, a mods probably gonna lock this thread if this keeps up and people could use pointers on mining.
Agree to disagree at this point?

Roland... I feel you rolling your eyes at me. Just know... Understood. And fair enough. :-D
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Speaking truth there.

I've edited some posts, deleted others. Would be good if people could converse about the subject and not about each other.

 
Hey guys, a mods probably gonna lock this thread if this keeps up and people could use pointers on mining.
Agree to disagree at this point?

Roland... I feel you rolling your eyes at me. Just know... Understood. And fair enough. :-D
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Hey Jack yes you're right, we are ruining your thread with our goings back and forth. No longer going to reply to him as he just won't give up. Going to be the bigger man and end it here with him.

Thanks for all the data you provided. My base is in the desert and I have similar findings as you. Lots and lots of lead and plenty of shale near the bottom. Tons of iron in the upper levels. I also have a mine in the burnt forest biome. Found all ore except for shale there in the upper level in that mine. I came up with 20+ stacks of iron, 2+ stacks of coal, 6+ stacks of lead, 3+ stacks of nitrate. I guess RNG was good to me in this mine although the nitrate surprised me :) . Haven't dug near bedrock yet so I hope there will be more coal.

This might help others but I recently found gold/silver in the desert as well. Don't remember if I found those gems in other biomes. There's nothing like striking those veins. Would be cool if you could turn gold nuggets into ingots/bars. I may not be able to have a dozen gold bars in real life but perhaps I can have some in a virtual world. Perhaps have a new machine to process/craft gold into something more valuable.

 
Thanks Panda. And yeah, them special blocks in the desert have been pretty cool to find. :D

I saw some guy mention that overall he mines about +12 to +15 blocks above bedrock. Which just might be low enough to hide from AI but high enough to get the common slab of iron on top of veins underground. Was a pretty cool tip.

 
Thanks Panda. And yeah, them special blocks in the desert have been pretty cool to find. :D
I saw some guy mention that overall he mines about +12 to +15 blocks above bedrock. Which just might be low enough to hide from AI but high enough to get the common slab of iron on top of veins underground. Was a pretty cool tip.
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Actually I found a mod that you can attach to armor that reduces noise. Forget the name but it's called advanced something (muffler?) connectors. It has 8% noise reduction and I have 2 of them. I don't know if it applies to all noise or just when you move/run. I also have the level 3/5 of the perk that reduces noise from actions. Maybe having more of those mods and perks will help during mining.

I have 2 desert mines. One has open access to the surface. Zombies (mainly screamers) always find me no matter what whether I'm using a shovel, pickaxe or auger in the open access mine. The other mine is only accessible at bedrock. In this mine I've been able to mine iron/shale throughout the night (in one area) without any issues even with an auger. I don't hear zombies digging because of the auger noise but they haven't appeared even though I'm in the desert and desert blocks are easily destroyed. I'm thinking those skills and/or mods are helping. Though it's possible it's due to the +12 to +15 block tip you mentioned.

I can't do a real +12 to +15 block test since I already have those perks. The armor can be removed, those perks cannot. Too bad there isn't a way to reset skills. They could add a magazine where collecting x of them will give you a reset option. Or perhaps have some kind of ultimate skill reset quest.

 
open your Blocks XML file in your 7D2D installation folder under Config. In there there's a section commented out for Ore Visualization. Once you set that up, launch your game and turn on Debug Menu/Mode and then god mode with no collisions. You can fly around underground to look at everything.
Tips so far aren't helping?

Best tip I can give if you're doing a lot of deep underground mining, is to mine about 12-15 blocks above bedrock. You'll hit more iron and veins overall. But you will find some big gaps that deep.
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ahhhh! Thanky.

Btw, I have found lots of iron very close to the surface in 17 in navez. The empty lot in Diersville (sp). It does seem that it's randomized though. Some restart and no gravel in that lot, other times there is. When there is, it seems to be a jackpot.

Gonna try that blocks.xml and take a peek. Oh, I usually find lead near bedrock, not iron. Well, used to. have done much deep mining yet in 17. Stupid digging zombies.

 
ahhhh! Thanky.
Btw, I have found lots of iron very close to the surface in 17 in navez. The empty lot in Diersville (sp). It does seem that it's randomized though. Some restart and no gravel in that lot, other times there is. When there is, it seems to be a jackpot.

Gonna try that blocks.xml and take a peek. Oh, I usually find lead near bedrock, not iron. Well, used to. have done much deep mining yet in 17. Stupid digging zombies.
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Just make sure to mine 10-15 blocks above bedrock if you want to find iron ore. it just doesn't exist directly at bedrock anymore.

 
Also I am offended by your toolbar layout.Clearly the fireaxe should be slot one, as it gets used the most.

With pickaxe on slot 2, because it gets used 2nd most....

All the safe cracking, door breaking, harvesting... I'm reporting you to the FBI-- Frequently Bound Items department.
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I'm with zombo here!!! I have the same layout he's mentioning! The blasphemy of some players! <LOL>

 
I'm with zombo here!!! I have the same layout he's mentioning! The blasphemy of some players! <LOL>
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I have the axe in slot 1 now ALRIGHT! *cries*. Why do they always judge me by my belt!

Lol

 
I have the axe in slot 1 now ALRIGHT! *cries*. Why do they always judge me by my belt!
Lol
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Noooo! You had it right before Jack! Primary Defense -ALWAYS- in Slot 1 !!!! Then Primary Ranged in Slot 2. This is a zombie APOLOCLYPSE! We must be ever on heightened alert, ready for the evil zeds to try and take a bite!

Plus, really, all you have to do is look at those poor shambling souls... -lots- of them have some worthless tool hanging from their belts... :D

(kidding of course, especially now that the fireaxe is a really decent melee weapon, but couldn't resist :D )

 
Just make sure to mine 10-15 blocks above bedrock if you want to find iron ore. it just doesn't exist directly at bedrock anymore.
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Actually, it's closer to the surface from what I've seen.

Also, have to disable showing the ores in order to mine them.

Interesting bit: the "Loot Street" box shatters like glass, and I think that gives silver/gold/diamond (I got some silver that way)

 
Actually, it's closer to the surface from what I've seen.
Also, have to disable showing the ores in order to mine them.

Interesting bit: the "Loot Street" box shatters like glass, and I think that gives silver/gold/diamond (I got some silver that way)
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The main Iron Ore deposits are closer to the surface yes.

However at bedrock you'll run into some biome specific veins. On top of those veins is a slab of iron ore deposits, roughly +15 height.

But yes, the major iron ore veins are within the top 20-30 blocks.

 
Checking gravel throughout all biomes i came to the conclusion that it's the easiest to find iron veins and other ores happen every 5-10 gravel patches (in Forest there are some bigger lead veins that span a few close by gravel patches, but they are rare). Desert doesn't show gravel patches, so you can't really tell by them what is underground and it would be most useful due to desert having Oil Shale deposits.

I found info somewhere that Boulders also show what lies below and destroying a few all around i got varied results. Mostly i had Raw Iron with bigger quantites, but sometimes it was Lead or Coal. This means that resources from them are not constant and may serve to determine the dominant vein underground. Can anyone elaborate on the subject of Boulders?

My results of checking gravel patches (taken from the Biome page in the Wiki that i updated):

Desert: No gravel patches to determine, but Oil Shale is present only in the desert and deep underground

Forest: Iron Ore, Lead Ore, Lump of Coal

Burnt: Iron Ore, Lead Ore, Nitrate Powder, Lump of Coal

Snowy: Iron Ore, Lead Ore

Wasteland: Iron Ore, Nitrate Powder

 
Checking gravel throughout all biomes i came to the conclusion that it's the easiest to find iron veins and other ores happen every 5-10 gravel patches (in Forest there are some bigger lead veins that span a few close by gravel patches, but they are rare). Desert doesn't show gravel patches, so you can't really tell by them what is underground and it would be most useful due to desert having Oil Shale deposits.
I found info somewhere that Boulders also show what lies below and destroying a few all around i got varied results. Mostly i had Raw Iron with bigger quantites, but sometimes it was Lead or Coal. This means that resources from them are not constant and may serve to determine the dominant vein underground. Can anyone elaborate on the subject of Boulders?

My results of checking gravel patches (taken from the Biome page in the Wiki that i updated):

Desert: No gravel patches to determine, but Oil Shale is present only in the desert and deep underground

Forest: Iron Ore, Lead Ore, Lump of Coal

Burnt: Iron Ore, Lead Ore, Nitrate Powder, Lump of Coal

Snowy: Iron Ore, Lead Ore

Wasteland: Iron Ore, Nitrate Powder
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In the desert there's no visible gravel patches. But they're still there. Dig around boulders and you'll find them.

 
Well i did get some Raw Iron when digging up around boulders, but considering you can't distinguish them from regular sand blocks and gravel patches can be anywhere not only near boulders, it's fruitless to look for them in the desert.

Which is a shame, because i think the desert is one of the more interesting biomes.

 
Well i did get some Raw Iron when digging up around boulders, but considering you can't distinguish them from regular sand blocks and gravel patches can be anywhere not only near boulders, it's fruitless to look for them in the desert.
Which is a shame, because i think the desert is one of the more interesting biomes.
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By mid game depending how you skill up, you can one shot desert blocks with a shovel. So it's still pretty easy to find the gravel poking around.

I'm just not a fan of digging topside as either you get trapped in a far to narrow space by zombies falling on your head or you have to over dig the area constantly to setup escape routes. Or do large side digs. Which... I'm also not fond of on the surface.

 
With recent update gravel patches are visible in the desert, so this problem is void now.

Getting into a conclusion that gravel patches show the dominant ore, where boulders show more detailed info. For example:

- When degrading the boulder down 1 level (destroying 1 set of its hp) you get 14 coal, 7 lead and 7 raw iron, there's a lot more coal, but there is also lead and iron underneath.

- When degrading the boulder down 1 level you get 14 raw iron, 7 lead and 7 nitrate, you get mostly iron underneath, but can find a little lead and nitrate.

- etc.

Would be good if someone tested this by digging down under appropriately checked boulders.

 
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