PC Some A17 thoughts
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SilverWolf
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I won't argue with that, I've started with a5-a6 or something on my main acc and have over 9000hr, but I still prefer somewhat streamlined options in forms of skills, makes me want to try different playthrough and skill investment each time.That would be lovely. Skills in a survival game are quite unnecessary, much like the forest and stranded deep and pre alpha 13. Totally not needed, you make what you need, hence survival.
Don't get me wrong, I love the thrill of TLD, and honestly, I think I've skipped last 3-4 vanilla alphas, and played with mods, but I would still love to see expanded vanilla, not reworked for the X time..
Guppycur
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I'd be fine with getting broken hats off the miners... Add some depth to crafting, ya know?
Got a hat it's either:
Totally trashed.
Needs a battery.
Needs a light bulb.
Both.
Works great.
Instead, I get:
Kill x zombies to buy the ability to make helmets, the parts of which are made of the same crap that everything else is made from, just differing amounts.
Got a hat it's either:
Totally trashed.
Needs a battery.
Needs a light bulb.
Both.
Works great.
Instead, I get:
Kill x zombies to buy the ability to make helmets, the parts of which are made of the same crap that everything else is made from, just differing amounts.
JoelleEmmily
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And a very nice seeding of I♥♥♥♥ Bifrons, but I reserve my lolz for when I decide which face is speaking. De Omnibus Dubitandum, sir.
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OHHHH.... Because is has the word for butt hole in it!
I a n u s B i f r o n s
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Roland
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For myself, I’m always looking forward to the future and what this game will become. Things that I’ve liked have been cut but I don’t look behind. I take the new and play it for what it is and not for what it replaced. Every update is exciting and I have enjoyed several of the overhaul mods as well that take things in new and creative directions.
As for doubting everything...I’ve found that that philosophy just means I’m likely to suffer twice. Doesn’t mean I’m blind to the possibility that disappointment will come but I prefer to hope before the fact and I do truly hope that my face that looks into the future sees a robust options menu with sliders that alter how progression takes place.
In Pimps We Trust
JoelleEmmily
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I'm an anarchist...
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And I should clarify, I am NOT a neo-anarchist...
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Guppycur
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Only speaking for myself here, and only in my single player game, but:
I've next to no need to travel anywhere anymore, find fighting zombies easy but tedious, don't bother with quests, never visit the trader, have no interest in vehicles, and find base building pointless.
I guess I will have to travel when I'm through using all of the vanilla poi's as horde bases, but by then I will have bought all of the perks and be able to one shot everybody anyway.
In a16, I was traveling a great deal, looking for parts to build my defenses, being excited about finding quality parts, having a real reason to kill zombies, and planning my activities based on horde nights.
Of course there were things wrong with a16, but I expected a17 to fix them and add content, not replace them with new problems, adding very little new content in some areas while taking away a great deal of content in other areas.
A17 is boring, once you get past the initial excitement of "oh hey look something new to play."
On my server game, where level gates have been removed, and people can now play how they want, a lot of those flaws still exist.
I have not yet found the magic sauce in modding to make a17 fun. Is it more moddable? In many ways yes, but many key things that used to work to mod, no longer do.
I'm very much looking forward to more a17 updates. I hope they add new content and not just balance changes.
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I've next to no need to travel anywhere anymore, find fighting zombies easy but tedious, don't bother with quests, never visit the trader, have no interest in vehicles, and find base building pointless.
I guess I will have to travel when I'm through using all of the vanilla poi's as horde bases, but by then I will have bought all of the perks and be able to one shot everybody anyway.
In a16, I was traveling a great deal, looking for parts to build my defenses, being excited about finding quality parts, having a real reason to kill zombies, and planning my activities based on horde nights.
Of course there were things wrong with a16, but I expected a17 to fix them and add content, not replace them with new problems, adding very little new content in some areas while taking away a great deal of content in other areas.
A17 is boring, once you get past the initial excitement of "oh hey look something new to play."
On my server game, where level gates have been removed, and people can now play how they want, a lot of those flaws still exist.
I have not yet found the magic sauce in modding to make a17 fun. Is it more moddable? In many ways yes, but many key things that used to work to mod, no longer do.
I'm very much looking forward to more a17 updates. I hope they add new content and not just balance changes.
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So in your world, there is a spoon?
FileMachete
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ha
but... did you just call Roland 'The Giant Doubter', or 'Large Thrower of Temper Tantrums'? 'Great Knower of Dubious Knowledge'?
me no speaky Latin...
JoelleEmmily
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No, it means in my world, we would have irradiated Morpheus and told Neo not to follow some jerk with a band of marry men and a vision.
Poojam
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I can't figure out a single thing that A17 offers that I desire. I think every single change they made to perks and attributes, skill gain, gun parts, item qualities, stamina, agility, looting, crafting, zombie ai, scavenging, POI dungeons, land claim block functionality, bedrock depth, economy, random gen, biome mixer, and mining has lessened my enjoyment. I think it might be easier to make a A16.5 with the new vehicles and quests, tweaks to the skills/balancing, rather than to fix A17. We already had all of these weapon mods in every modded server I played on.
JoelleEmmily
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ha
but... did you just call Roland 'The Giant Doubter', or 'Large Thrower of Temper Tantrums'? 'Great Knower of Dubious Knowledge'?
me no speaky Latin...
Iavus - Is a god with two face whose true nature was obscured and forgotten when those deities fell out of practice. During those years, his dual faces was used to represent the nature of meaning or saying two things at once. Think the labyrinth door puzzle guards. Conversationally, and in it's original Latin, it could represent something which is more than it seems... I a n u s B i f r o n s specifically... is somewhat comparable to schrodinger's cat... it is a state of flux, a destiny which could have one of two outcomes. In references to a statement, calling a statement such, would imply the speaker is intending for the statement to be taken or mistaken a certain way, leaving the possibility open for the issuer to claim the opposite.
De Omnibus Dubitandum just means doubt everything.
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If I was to give a contemporary example of a I a n u s B i f r o n s statement, the most used would be, "I'm sorry you feel that way."
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FileMachete
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Thanks Joelle, funny how it seems politicians have been with us since the caves...
"My dear Friend from the other Party..."
"We're from the Government. We're here to help."
"I solemnly swear..."
Edit: plus, I was teasing Roland a wee bit
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JoelleEmmily
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Oh, sorry, didn't pick up on that. But yeah... the iron hand in the velvet glove... the outstretched hand detracting from the dagger behind the back... the promise of a warm shower and a hot meal...Thanks Joelle, funny how it seems politicians have been with us since the caves...
"My dear Friend from the other Party..."
"We're from the Government. We're here to help."
"I solemnly swear..."
Edit: plus, I was teasing Roland a wee bit
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Personally, the only way I see any system of government truly working, is if all politicians have to wear explosive collars, that if enough people vote for it, would pop their heads off like barbie doll's.
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FileMachete
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Ha!!
lmao Now -that's- Funny! And I bet tourism to Washington would frickin -explode!- (pardon the pun)
JoelleEmmily
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Rollup, rollup, rollup, come one and all and see the mighty popping white heads! That's right ladies and gentlemen, exploding old white guys for your amusement. You like like caps? We got a bald guy in the 3rd row. Fake fur aflying? Toupee in isle 6. And yes ladies and gentlemen, making her debut, Leaking Linda, one of our rare female contestants, yes spectators and patrons, watch her bleed from both ends!Ha!!
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Not that I'm savage or anything.
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What's that little girl? A bill that'll literally make their heads explode? coming right up!
"NOOOO! NOOOOOOO!!!! I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!!" BLOOOOSHHHHPTHPTHPTHPTH
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JoelleEmmily
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So... can we go back to debating whether or not level gating in an inherently bad game mechanic... or is now still not the time? Because I have a really great joke involving something I call a rooster garrote.
JoelleEmmily
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Moving on... and continuing from where I left off...
So...
Historically, point awarded level progression, as well as level gating, because they kinda go hand in hand, has been used to pad a game's play time. Take Final Fantasy 6 for example. Someone on the design team knew grinding for esper points would be tedious, and very not fun, so they placed a triangle shaped island up in the corner where you could easily one cast kill a creature for a load of points. The entire series even has a name for it, power peninsulas. Even Chrono Trigger had one. Not an RPG, and not used for power levelling, but Super Metroid had those bat pot things, you could stand there, and restore most of your health and bombs.
Why those three examples? Because they're beloved games that've stood the test of time. People still play them today, and someone on the dev team, thought the grind, or the scarcity, or whatever, was annoying enough to put in a trick for players to use. And they HAD TO, because carts couldn't be patched or modded. Now days, it seems like studios are externating their games flaws onto the consumer. "Don't like something? Mod it yourself." "Fixing that bug would be too much work, and cut into our profits. Let the community fix it."
Studios are apparently afraid to release a game with a short playthrough, or a rapid progression system, because they think the hours engaged by such trappings, are hours engaged... but they're not... they're hours the player is doing something they DO NOT enjoy, for the ability to do something they do.
So...
Historically, point awarded level progression, as well as level gating, because they kinda go hand in hand, has been used to pad a game's play time. Take Final Fantasy 6 for example. Someone on the design team knew grinding for esper points would be tedious, and very not fun, so they placed a triangle shaped island up in the corner where you could easily one cast kill a creature for a load of points. The entire series even has a name for it, power peninsulas. Even Chrono Trigger had one. Not an RPG, and not used for power levelling, but Super Metroid had those bat pot things, you could stand there, and restore most of your health and bombs.
Why those three examples? Because they're beloved games that've stood the test of time. People still play them today, and someone on the dev team, thought the grind, or the scarcity, or whatever, was annoying enough to put in a trick for players to use. And they HAD TO, because carts couldn't be patched or modded. Now days, it seems like studios are externating their games flaws onto the consumer. "Don't like something? Mod it yourself." "Fixing that bug would be too much work, and cut into our profits. Let the community fix it."
Studios are apparently afraid to release a game with a short playthrough, or a rapid progression system, because they think the hours engaged by such trappings, are hours engaged... but they're not... they're hours the player is doing something they DO NOT enjoy, for the ability to do something they do.