PC So this is where roland said to go to gripe about a17 and the early release...

Jax, while I appreciate that stance, and I truly do respect it. For me it's not about just the timing of this issue and the 3 days with the streamers. As I said, I'm enjoying Fallout and probably wouldn't skip it to play this. My grudge/gripe whatever is the fact that they aren't actually giving a rats rear end about the existing playerbase. As I said, if there had been some requirement in the sign ups that said you had to have at least played 100 hours of 7 days to die to qualify for the early access I'd be fine with it. They just want streamers with over 5k followers for another hopeful injection of funds, which is a slap in the face, in my opinion, to people like me who have streamed this game when the directory was dead for the last year, regardless of what I thought it could do for my stream. That's my main issue bud.

 
I'm actually looking forward to the stream event.

I want to see how some of my favourite content creators get rekt by A17. ;)

 
Ok, let me ask you this question mega, if you could, would you rather have a bunch of streamers who knew nothing about the game playing the game, or people who knew about the game playing the game? Currently if you look through the list of streamers who were picked for the stream early release, there was no requirement of any time played on 7 days to die, solely 5k followers. I could give a rats behind about the early release, I'm enjoying Fallout 76, and will probably be a while before I go back to this game. It's about the misinformation, misleading statements, and pure dismissive attitude they have about the existing player base.
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Easy answer, I don't care what the streamers know of the game because I will not watch any streamer. I never have.

But lets say, someone put a pistol to my head and said: "Watch". Then I probably would select a streamer that is a) not acting like his blood is half filled with adrenaline and talking all the time and b) has never played the game. Because I like humor and seeing someone make silly mistakes would have at least some schadenfreude humour involved.

Picking streamers that have never played the game is the best move TFP can do, by the way. Because the normal audience of these streamers is the prime target to get new people interested in the game. The audience of streamers who play 7days regularely either already has the game or is not interested.

Sure, play Fallout 76, because Bethesda is this fantastic company that never does anything for the money. Oh wait, they just f*** (that should read "forgot" naturally :cocksure: ) their Fallout fanbase with 76, because multiplayer sells.

You say misleading statements? Strange, TFP (aka Roland) had told us about the streamer weekend half a year ago and everything he said then is the same he says now, to my knowledge. What misleading statement are you refering to?

 
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Good boy.

Grudgingly following directions even with dripping sarcasm is better than nothing. You can spend the next five days here griping. That way everyone can have their own type of fun until Monday.

But even here forum rules apply and all the streamers on the list are also fans of the game and part of our community. So if there is any more insulting language or namecalling to go with your criticism then there will be bans.

Your cute little “I’ll wait for my ban now” won’t come by way of your critical opinion. It will come by way of breaking the rules. So I’ll just say I’ve got my finger on the ban button for the moment someone gets insulting. I already gave one pass for Silvera’s asshat insults in the dev diary but no more.

Just wanted to be clear why your ban will come when it does so when you make a negative review on steam and claim it was because the mods don’t allow criticism and you were banned for simply saying you don’t like the stream event I’ve preemptively called you on that particular bs.

 
Go ahead and get that poison out of your system, let your frustration out and vent.

Then... Wake up and realize that without money, the game is finished and any updates or part 2. Also realize that TFP are not perfect, who is?

 
Jax, while I appreciate that stance, and I truly do respect it. For me it's not about just the timing of this issue and the 3 days with the streamers. As I said, I'm enjoying Fallout and probably wouldn't skip it to play this. My grudge/gripe whatever is the fact that they aren't actually giving a rats rear end about the existing playerbase. As I said, if there had been some requirement in the sign ups that said you had to have at least played 100 hours of 7 days to die to qualify for the early access I'd be fine with it. They just want streamers with over 5k followers for another hopeful injection of funds, which is a slap in the face, in my opinion, to people like me who have streamed this game when the directory was dead for the last year, regardless of what I thought it could do for my stream. That's my main issue bud.
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I got you. And I do kind of agree here. Overall there are a lot of things in gaming in general I am starting to see that bother me, especially when it comes to streamers. But a fun weekend event designed to act as a celebration of sorts isnt on that list.

I'll give you one vague example of something I find WAY more upsetting than what Pimps are doing here. There are 2 games I adore. I won't name them or the streamer. But since the devs of these two games caught wind this streamer streams them consistently they have begun taking all of this streamers complaints as gospel and are beginning to make detrimental balance changes in accordance to what makes this particular streamer happy or upset.

THAT to me is a slap in the players faces. I've already uninstalled one of these games because it was obvious to me that the style of the game was going to change based on this streamers advice.

When Pimps start doing something shady like that then I will be more upset. Would I love to get my hands on A17 in 2 days? Of course, not even just to play but to check out the xmls and just get immersed in the new languages etc. But it is what it is.

 
You wound me good sir. I would never make a negative Steam review based on my handling on a forum separate from the game itself. For sooth you slay my persona. Also, I'm not a boy Roland, c'mon, don't treat me like some insignificant fly. I know you wouldn't treat me that way if we were having this discussion face to face, because I'd expect at least a balanced level of respect when someone wasn't able to hide behind a keyboard and "mod" powers.

 
I just hope the Streamers crash nonstop, it is buggy as hell, and the Streamers can showcase the bugs to their audience. Should help drum up some sales ;)

Who knew the 17 in A17 means it would take 17 months to make.

 
So I'm gonna bring up something I did mention in another thread, but Roland shot down.

I still absolutely believe that releasing A17-E NOW is bad idea. We're in the middle of Fallout 76 release, some folks are still going hard on Red Dead Redemption 2, plus other games have also had updates (Overwatch just got a major patch to fix lots of stuff and prep for new stuff, Warframe just dropped it's expansion, etc).

The ones in parenthesis likely won't apply to this community, or people interested in this type of game, because I'm pretty sure I'm the only idiot here that plays Overwatch, Warframe AND 7DTD. ;)

However, Fallout 76 is the big one. It just released yesterday and TFP want a stream event to build hype in the middle of that? Sorry, but that's a competing genre game... and way bigger. I hope I'm wrong... I really, really do... but I don't see how this is going to help from a marketing standpoint in any way just because of the TIMING.

What I personally would have done, based off the conversations I've had with Indie and small studio game dev friends (I'm a geek, I like learning about this stuff) is something like this.

Stream event on the 30th so it's technically released in Experimental in November.

A17-E for the public on the 3rd December.

Look at "stable" release around the 21st of December.

That allows the RDR2 and FO76 hype to die down (plus Overwatch and Warframe hype for anyone who cares about those). You release just before christmas with plenty of time to fix the REALLY bad bugs, which lets people play over the holiday period AND you hit the steam sale window.

If the stream event was about generating publicity for the game and building up hype, then my personal opinion is that would've been a lot better (I also want to state I made some assumptions regarding steam sale dates, so adjust accordingly).

 
2 things of which are just my opinion.

1. I can see why some are upset with streamers getting it first over other players. Us (us being players who have already bought game and have played it on a regular basis) not getting it is not going to make someone new (someone new being anyone who has not bought the game or has never seen it) buy the game anymore than if we had it and was playing at same time as streamers.

2. Having streamers who have played game a lot in their stream over ones who have played little or not at all. My thinking is if a streamer has never played 7 Days in their stream that would mean to me that a ot of their regular viewers may never have seen 7 Days so that would mean more exposure for the game. Streamers who have streamed a lot of 7 Days or exclusively done so may not have a lot of viewers who don't already have the game or have already decided to get it or not.

Again, both of these are just my opinions and there may be some things that I have not thought of that would make me rethink them.

Plus, I will be playing 7 Days again Monday (haven't played since September 19th) so that makes me happy inside. :)

 
I don't see whats to be gained from the pre stream thing, except maybe some bug catches?

On the other hand, I don't see this as something worth griping about either. :smile-new:

- P

 
Plus, I will be playing 7 Days again Monday (haven't played since September 19th) so that makes me happy inside. :)
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I'm totally booting it up monday since my Warframe XP booster will run out then. :D

 
You wound me good sir. I would never make a negative Steam review based on my handling on a forum separate from the game itself. For sooth you slay my persona. Also, I'm not a boy Roland, c'mon, don't treat me like some insignificant fly. I know you wouldn't treat me that way if we were having this discussion face to face, because I'd expect at least a balanced level of respect when someone wasn't able to hide behind a keyboard and "mod" powers.
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You cut me first with thy base assumption that I would ban you for your mere opinion. It is exactly that false and scurrilous accusation that fills such reviews that actually do connect forum happenings to game play reporting. I wouldn’t speak to you thusly face to face because it doesn’t take mod powers to be a keyboard warrior as you proved...merely a keyboard. And without your first preemptive strike in our F2F meeting my own riposte couldn’t have happened. Like begets like in proximity or across the ether.

 
You cut me first with thy base assumption that I would ban you for your mere opinion. It is exactly that false and scurrilous accusation that fills such reviews that actually do connect forum happenings to game play reporting. I wouldn’t speak to you thusly face to face because it doesn’t take mod powers to be a keyboard warrior as you proved...merely a keyboard. And without your first preemptive strike in our F2F meeting my own riposte couldn’t have happened. Like begets like in proximity or across the ether.
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Thems some purdy words there. Somehow reminds me of this here:

 
You cut me first with thy base assumption that I would ban you for your mere opinion. It is exactly that false and scurrilous accusation that fills such reviews that actually do connect forum happenings to game play reporting. I wouldn’t speak to you thusly face to face because it doesn’t take mod powers to be a keyboard warrior as you proved...merely a keyboard. And without your first preemptive strike in our F2F meeting my own riposte couldn’t have happened. Like begets like in proximity or across the ether.
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Woot let teh chaos begin lmfao!!!!

Pretzels!!!

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LET EM CRY!!! we have what we wanted a date and it is close now to come outta the cave and get to work.

 
I just hope the Streamers crash nonstop, it is buggy as hell, and the Streamers can showcase the bugs to their audience. Should help drum up some sales ;)
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Let's hope not? =P

Of course there will be some bugs. It's inevitable.

Our testers are working hard but they have the impossible job of testing a game that is in active development.

 
Stream event on the 30th so it's technically released in Experimental in November.
A17-E for the public on the 3rd December.

Look at "stable" release around the 21st of December.
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18 days of Experimental? I'm sure TFP dreams of such but seriously doubt they expect it to be less than double that. I say late January minimum for stable.

As for fallout 76 stealing players? From what I have seen/heard so far that game truly sucks so.............kinda doubt it's gonna be an issue.

 
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