So TFP, you ever plan to address the main progression issue in 7dtd?

[Roland]

everything for the other smoothies can be gathered in the pine forest.

That may be true but those mats aren't as plentiful. I would much rather go into the burnt forest to gather mushrooms which are all over the place than try to find a cave POI in the forest or find and grow mushroom seeds. I'd rather gather yucca in the desert where it is plentiful and snowballs and blueberries in the snow. And while I'm there I am killing the enemies and opening containers and using up my time. Then when I have a few smoothies I get the rest done and then go hit a POI until my time is done.

Would I like to see more longterm tasks like survive a horde night and complete three different quest types? Sure. Such tasks would definitely require more interaction with the hazards. Not everyone would like that though so we would be trading complaint threads that we have now with all the new ones later and while you and I would be happy and say biome hazards are finally meaningful and impactful others would say TFP wrecked the game again.

 

[RipClaw]

Would I like to see more longterm tasks like survive a horde night and complete three different quest types? Sure. Such tasks would definitely require more interaction with the hazards. Not everyone would like that though so we would be trading complaint threads that we have now with all the new ones later and while you and I would be happy and say biome hazards are finally meaningful and impactful others would say TFP wrecked the game again.

I'm not so sure about the part where you have to survive the horde. That would probably result in people spending all night on the roof of a POI. That would be boring. At least for me. I'd rather build my horde base from scratch and improve it over time.

 

[RipClaw]

Would I like to see more longterm tasks like survive a horde night and complete three different quest types?

I've thought about it a bit. What about a new kind of quest? The trader sends you to a random POI. You then have a set amount of time to clear and reinforce the POI. Afterwards, you have to fight a zombie horde and survive. Instead of three waves, there could be one wave, so the horde would only last five minutes or so.

All the necessary parts are already in the game. There are already quests, a countdown timer from storm events, and a horde event.

 

[Vaeliorin]

That may be true but those mats aren't as plentiful. I would much rather go into the burnt forest to gather mushrooms which are all over the place than try to find a cave POI in the forest or find and grow mushroom seeds. I'd rather gather yucca in the desert where it is plentiful and snowballs and blueberries in the snow. And while I'm there I am killing the enemies and opening containers and using up my time. Then when I have a few smoothies I get the rest done and then go hit a POI until my time is done.

Would I like to see more longterm tasks like survive a horde night and complete three different quest types? Sure. Such tasks would definitely require more interaction with the hazards. Not everyone would like that though so we would be trading complaint threads that we have now with all the new ones later and while you and I would be happy and say biome hazards are finally meaningful and impactful others would say TFP wrecked the game again.

Maybe it's just because I always do farming, but planting seeds and growing all those crops was much easier to me. I just crafted a handful of smoothies for each biome, then did all the tasks, drinking smoothies as needed, and turned it in to the new trader.

Snowballs from ice machines, oil shale from POIs (there are always those big round oil container buildings that have oil shale in them in the forest now), coal from coal nodes.

I'm not necessarily saying there should be more long term tasks (I don't like the idea of having to build multiple horde bases) but I feel like the smoothie recipes should at least contain one ingredient that isn't available outside the biome they are for. I suggested in another thread that maybe they should need something that's a guaranteed drop from the biome enemy.

It just feels like it was a total waste of development time when, with the biome hazards on, you can completely avoid interacting with any of them except the wateland. If people don't want to deal with them, they can always turn them off, but when they're on, you should at least notice them for more than 5-10 minutes of a playthrough.

 

[Kalen]

I don't think many feel that storms and progression is outright bad, just poorly implemented.

I agree that over time perception on things can change as we learn more by playing and perhaps that will happen here. It's also possible that people give up on change. Storms isn't a hill I'll die on as an example but I personally find them a bit boring after the first several as all I do is run to a nearby POI, but storms as a general idea is fine and if they make no changes I'll think it's still better than not having them just not as good as they could be IMO.

I agree with this. I've said before, I like the storms and I like the biome dangers. What I don't like is that the dangers can be, very easily, completely nullified, while the storms can't be mitigated at all. I want the biome dangers to be more dangerous and the storms to be a little less dangerous. I think both should be able to mitigated but not ignored.

 

[Roland]

It just feels like it was a total waste of development time when, with the biome hazards on, you can completely avoid interacting with any of them except the wateland. If people don't want to deal with them, they can always turn them off, but when they're on, you should at least notice them for more than 5-10 minutes of a playthrough.

It only feels like a waste for those specific individuals who choose to play in that manner. Just because someone decides to turn off biome progression and/or storms, that doesn’t make the development time spent on those things a waste. There are still many who enjoy the new features and choose to play with them enabled.

My group changed bloodmoons to be every 10 days instead of every 7 days and other groups turn Bloodmoons off completely. Does that invalidate Bloodmoons since some groups don’t play them as originally designed? No.

My group does spend more than 5-10 minutes on earning the biome badges. We help each other. So even if I spend 10 minutes on my own badge I then help another team member spot the enemies that must be killed and the items that must be gathered. I found this aspect of the game quite rewarding and satisfying.

So, no, I disagree that the dev time was wasted if some people opt to turn those things off or look for ways to get all the smoothie mats in the forest instead of playing in the biomes and experiencing the hazards. What I do think is that you are having fun your way and I’m having fun my way.

 

[Vaeliorin]

It only feels like a waste for those specific individuals who choose to play in that manner. Just because someone decides to turn off biome progression and/or storms, that doesn’t make the development time spent on those things a waste. There are still many who enjoy the new features and choose to play with them enabled.

My group changed bloodmoons to be every 10 days instead of every 7 days and other groups turn Bloodmoons off completely. Does that invalidate Bloodmoons since some groups don’t play them as originally designed? No.

My group does spend more than 5-10 minutes on earning the biome badges. We help each other. So even if I spend 10 minutes on my own badge I then help another team member spot the enemies that must be killed and the items that must be gathered. I found this aspect of the game quite rewarding and satisfying.

So, no, I disagree that the dev time was wasted if some people opt to turn those things off or look for ways to get all the smoothie mats in the forest instead of playing in the biomes and experiencing the hazards. What I do think is that you are having fun your way and I’m having fun my way.

I see it like TFP disabling vehicles, adding super vultures, adding digging zombies back, and nerfing afk bases. If you have bloodmoons on, you have to interact with them, you can't just ignore them (well, unless you stand on top of a tall building, but that's not really here nor there...I"m sure if TFPs could find a reasonable way to punish that, they would as well). Similarly, when you have biome hazards on, you shouldn't be able to basically ignore them.

I'm not saying that people who turn them off should be forced to interact with them somehow. But if I have them on, I shouldn't, just playing the game normally, be able to totally negate them except for the few minutes spent gathering radiated mushrooms. I'm not saying they're bad or pointless in general, I'm saying the way they work right now is disappointing. If every smoothie had something like the radiated mushrooms as part of its recipe, I think the whole system would be a lot better.

 

[Riamus]

I'm not so sure about the part where you have to survive the horde. That would probably result in people spending all night on the roof of a POI. That would be boring. At least for me. I'd rather build my horde base from scratch and improve it over time.

I wouldn't want surviving the horde to be a requirement unless it's a requirement for just one of them. Having to spend 4 weeks just to be able to be in the wasteland without taking damage is a bit much. A lot of games, I'm done by that point. Also, that is a LOT of smoothies that you have to try to keep track of while in the middle of horde night unless they make them last longer or not be needed during horde night. And having to rebuild my horde base for every biome wouldn't be something I'd want to do. It would just make me disable the biome hazards that much faster.

I've thought about it a bit. What about a new kind of quest? The trader sends you to a random POI. You then have a set amount of time to clear and reinforce the POI. Afterwards, you have to fight a zombie horde and survive. Instead of three waves, there could be one wave, so the horde would only last five minutes or so.

All the necessary parts are already in the game. There are already quests, a countdown timer from storm events, and a horde event.

I'd like seeing a quest type like this, even if it's not tied to biome hazards.

 

[Roland]

I see it like TFP disabling vehicles, adding super vultures, adding digging zombies back, and nerfing afk bases. If you have bloodmoons on, you have to interact with them, you can't just ignore them (well, unless you stand on top of a tall building, but that's not really here nor there...I"m sure if TFPs could find a reasonable way to punish that, they would as well). Similarly, when you have biome hazards on, you shouldn't be able to basically ignore them.

I'm not saying that people who turn them off should be forced to interact with them somehow. But if I have them on, I shouldn't, just playing the game normally, be able to totally negate them except for the few minutes spent gathering radiated mushrooms. I'm not saying they're bad or pointless in general, I'm saying the way they work right now is disappointing. If every smoothie had something like the radiated mushrooms as part of its recipe, I think the whole system would be a lot better.

I like your suggestion as it would perfectly mesh with my own playstyle of going into the biome to get the biome mats anyway-- despite their availability in the forest. Your proposition would make the feature better or at least consistent with how I like to play it and make the feature better for you since it's how you desire to have to play it. But I don't think it would reduce complaints and for the people who prefer gathering the mats from around the forest and getting their smoothies all prepped before ever stepping into the biome in question, for them it would be a step backwards and "proof" that TFP is forcing one and only one playstyle on their players.

 

[Rotor]

Only cheesy cheaters turn off or increase blood moon intervals .

I mean the title is 7 Days to Die.

Just kidding of course.

But....I wish it was just as easy to turn on/off resident evil zombies.

 

[Roland]

Only cheesy cheaters turn off or increase blood moon intervals .

I mean the title is 7 Days to Die.

Just kidding of course.

But....I wish it was just as easy to turn on/off resident evil zombies.

10 Days to Die is such a better game than 7 Days to Die. Lazy devs going with 7 when they could have gone with 10....

 

[Kalen]

10 Days to Die is such a better game than 7 Days to Die. Lazy devs going with 7 when they could have gone with 10....

I also use 10 day horde night, actually.... but with a 2 day variance. So 8-12 Days to Die?

 

[Roland]

I also use 10 day horde night, actually.... but with a 2 day variance. So 8-12 Days to Die?

I do variance in my sp game but with my family there is one person in particular who likes to be able to plan and variance is a deal breaker to her sanity with the game....haha

 

[4sheetzngeegles]

I quoted a lot but it would be longer than my normal posts. So.

Aesthetics is one of the ties that bind I agree, 2.0 feels like trying to incorp. story foundation,
Traders I have them in alt biomes. A thought, if the foundation of a trader outpost is on their indigenous biome
would it make a difference badge wise. have not started mod testing yet.

Biomes and their progression, I like each biome to be problematic on it's own accord . With each higher tier raising the stakes.
I like the timed quest prepare and fight a horde idea. If it were survive a horde and the timer was added, basically a 24 hour
cycle, in country. But i'd like a damaging survivable storm, while bringing the horde. Id do those quests a lot, especially if
they were set to upper tier POIs, as you go to higher tier biomes.

Personally I'd be ok with damaging survivable storms on blood moon, increasing in severity per biome.
I still re-enable the vultures, because otherwise their presence just reminds me of the song Oklahoma,
"lazy circles in the sky".

A poll based on the first bold sentence on 7dtd.com " HOW LONG WILL YOU SURVIVE?" but change it to "How long
do you expect to survive?" I play with the expectation of character death. Not all players do.

One of the thoughts I had regarding, open world, and story, and all the options that are to be added, is if TFP leveraged the
Mods folder, If most of the changes inclusions or exclusions are primarily XML, then they could use their own preset modding
format, and just have tick boxes or choice labels in the UI, I mean 200 choices would be a bit much, but the basic on offs, story
open play, it could allow the choice of which maps they are assigned to. It is basically that now, but it would have specific parameters
for each associated folder. And would not necessarily need rewriting, the base xml over and over. Possibilities: they could have 10
different genre variances and combinations, with out having to reconstruct the base xml. The blending would be strictly according
to the choices the player picks. Because at it's simplest thought, the genre specific traits and perks, are just mods added to TFP vanilla.

Stories follow a natural progression, finding journals or notes can fill in gaps, and if written well progress the story, a vicious cycle.

 

[Caelynd Maclyrr]

Incoming solutions:

Take out steel from forest and burnt. (Either replacing the blocks that give it, or tying the drop rate to biome/loot stage)
Stop dropping magazines for high tier stuff (especially crucible) in the lower biomes. Will need duplicating the magazine sets, as otherwise you'd just gather all of them before reading them, like lockpicking+forge ahead.

A permanent pine forest storm starts to expand from the center of the biome, pushing players out like an inverse battle royale. That's a great mechanic!

I actually would have no problem with Pine Forest storms that cause inconvenience instead of death. If it's a real bad storm, halve the weapon accuracy and movement speed. Make it a pain in the ■■■ to be out and about, but not a death sentence like the other Biomes. A bit more real world. Tied to the storm toggle, of course..