Royal Deluxe
Refugee
Well, 7D2D is thought as PWPVE game
So i can live with that.
My next server will anyway have rules that should push away PVP player that would do such things.
PC raise your gamma is like nightvision goggles (but better)
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So i can live with that.
My next server will anyway have rules that should push away PVP player that would do such things.
Very simple.
Step 1) state what gamma you insist people use on your server.
Step 2) enjoy when everyone uses the same settings as you.
Step 2B) kick the people who break the rules on your server.
Cuz that's the thing. Your idea of fair isn't everyone else's....gamma is an in game option available to everyone. sure it might ruin your immersion to turn it up, but then you're insisting that your immersion trumps their enjoyment....not that it's unfair. So, solution. You either play with friends who can discuss and agree on a set of "fair" rules. Or you clearly post "fair" rules for every stranger joining your server, and gradually boot/ban the cheaters who can't follow clearly stated rules. Or you let anyone in and play how they want and deal with people using what they will.
But calling high gamma a cheat is disingenuous...it's immersion breaking for you, but its a setting available and intended for everyone.
But demanding that the option of raising gamma is removed, just so you can impose your definition of fairness on the least supported game mode of this game is arrogant - IF that's what you meant.
Step 1) state what gamma you insist people use on your server.
Step 2) enjoy when everyone uses the same settings as you.
Step 2B) kick the people who break the rules on your server.
Cuz that's the thing. Your idea of fair isn't everyone else's....gamma is an in game option available to everyone. sure it might ruin your immersion to turn it up, but then you're insisting that your immersion trumps their enjoyment....not that it's unfair. So, solution. You either play with friends who can discuss and agree on a set of "fair" rules. Or you clearly post "fair" rules for every stranger joining your server, and gradually boot/ban the cheaters who can't follow clearly stated rules. Or you let anyone in and play how they want and deal with people using what they will.
But calling high gamma a cheat is disingenuous...it's immersion breaking for you, but its a setting available and intended for everyone.
But demanding that the option of raising gamma is removed, just so you can impose your definition of fairness on the least supported game mode of this game is arrogant - IF that's what you meant.
Royal Deluxe
Refugee
You need to see the definition more technically.
As i said, its a Cheaty Exploit (if you watch it without any context)
But if (and only if) the game you play has a rule (stated by the gamemaster, at best in the serverrules) that it is legit. Then it is no nore a cheat.
Else you could say
But yes, sure there should be a rule in the serverrules if you ban for it.
The in-game gamma options should be much more limited than they are now. Even if someone decides to raise their monitor gamma, or apply a gamma effect through GPU software - it still won't have the effect it's having on the current version.
If you're truly concerned about PvP balance, there are much greater issues. Gamma is a second-class issue compared to:
-95% Damage reduction
-Double health, double stamina
-Instant Full-heal popping
-Guns have less range than paintball markers
-So many ways to cheese raid someone's base, that is, when the base protection features are even working properly
-Being able to glitch-view through objects
-Tons of dupe bugs in every single version, punishing the people who actually grind and play, the same people who will probably be "raided" while they were asleep or at work
-Still chinese and russians who join servers in creative mode and wreak havoc (Easy Anticheat, more like, lol-that-was-ez)
-Servers are still destabilized after ~24 players depending on hardware. Even the servers that shell on on crazy machines, and try hosting 40 players are experiencing many crashes, desyncs, and 3-4s lag on interactions.
I think we need to come to terms that this is just not going to be a PvP game. As someone who's only been PvPing since the start, I've found I've had to come to terms with this. The engine just doesn't do it well to begin with, and it's compounded by bad "balance" decisions that seem to be made based on the assumption that the player actually gets worse and becomes more stupid as they advance.
If you're truly concerned about PvP balance, there are much greater issues. Gamma is a second-class issue compared to:
-95% Damage reduction
-Double health, double stamina
-Instant Full-heal popping
-Guns have less range than paintball markers
-So many ways to cheese raid someone's base, that is, when the base protection features are even working properly
-Being able to glitch-view through objects
-Tons of dupe bugs in every single version, punishing the people who actually grind and play, the same people who will probably be "raided" while they were asleep or at work
-Still chinese and russians who join servers in creative mode and wreak havoc (Easy Anticheat, more like, lol-that-was-ez)
-Servers are still destabilized after ~24 players depending on hardware. Even the servers that shell on on crazy machines, and try hosting 40 players are experiencing many crashes, desyncs, and 3-4s lag on interactions.
I think we need to come to terms that this is just not going to be a PvP game. As someone who's only been PvPing since the start, I've found I've had to come to terms with this. The engine just doesn't do it well to begin with, and it's compounded by bad "balance" decisions that seem to be made based on the assumption that the player actually gets worse and becomes more stupid as they advance.
You most certainly cannot. the devs have firmly established that duping is an exploit, and thus there is no credible way to say or imply that duping is intended.
and this is why I don't get your argument. There are only 2 ways to solve this...either remove gamma settings, which to be honest, is unacceptable, as you're basically trying to enforce your version of "fair pvp" over EVERYONE who increases gamma for any reason at all, in any game mode or play style. Or 2, allow the server control over certain client side settings, which could be a possibility, but there's a whole lot of implications with that, from implementation difficulty, to implementation viability, to potential abuse, to loss of agency for individual players....all to support YOUR interpretation of fair play (which is respectable, but by no means universal) for a gameplay mode that is tangentially supported at best.
skullpoker
Refugee
So people actually think that the developers included the gamma adjust option as a means for people to develop nightvision, and it's simply a matter of player skill to learn to use this elite tactic, and it's not in the least bit an exploit or cheat to circumvent the developer's effort to create darkness during nighttime?