PC Poll - Which progression system did you prefer?

[theFlu]

Ever notice when you get a new car, that you start seeing that model everywhere. You like sledgehammers therefore you are looking out for Sledgehammer magazines. 

That's of course just a perception issue, but if one was to try to come up with a decent excuse.. it could be that a person adept at using a thing, is also going to be better at adapting bits of info from other sources to it. So the magazine isn't exactly a Sledge magazine, but something more general, materials, physics, whatever - and the player with good sledge skill is just more able to adapt that to his own tools.

Of course it doesn't feel like that with the real magazines dropping, but say "Forged Iron" seems like a similar approximation. You didn't make iron bars to make a knife out of, you spent effort at the forge, the Forged Iron item is just a representation of the effort. Which isn't great either as it's pluripotent, but hey.. approximations.

 

[Lasher]

Ever notice when you get a new car, that you start seeing that model everywhere. You like sledgehammers therefore you are looking out for Sledgehammer magazines. 

If you really need to say something is nonsensical, how about the idea there is a whole magazine series on Sledgehammers, now that is bizarre.

 Are you saying that I should definitly buy more Rum - and then check the bins just in case?

And you're clearly not subscribed to Sledghammer Monthly - you missed the debate on teak vs Oak handles...

 

[Fox]

My vote is "I don't care which system they go with as long as they make up their damn minds and stick with it". Changing the entire system every year instead of focusing on other things like new content is just annoying to me. They can't seem to ever be happy with anything they do and move on from there.

 

[Viktoriusiii]

I am surprised to see LBD being so highly ranked... every time I mention it, I get bombarded with downvotes
The general playerbase probably liked LBD much more than the hardcore fans that are on the forums though.
But seeing it still in first place just warms my heart.



PS:
*Be one of the Fun Pimps*
*Dislike LBD for no good reason* (seriously, all the points were relatively easy fixes)
*removes it to go through a 3 Alpha overhaul*
*reimplements LBD, but simply worse* (learn by looting takes all the problems LBD had with far less of the character that LBD gave and combines it with THE FORGE BOOK PROBLEM!)
?
Profit?

 

[Fox]

I am surprised to see LBD being so highly ranked... every time I mention it, I get bombarded with downvotes
The general playerbase probably liked LBD much more than the hardcore fans that are on the forums though.
But seeing it still in first place just warms my heart.



PS:
*Be one of the Fun Pimps*
*Dislike LBD for no good reason* (seriously, all the points were relatively easy fixes)
*removes it to go through a 3 Alpha overhaul*
*reimplements LBD, but simply worse* (learn by looting takes all the problems LBD had with far less of the character that LBD gave and combines it with THE FORGE BOOK PROBLEM!)
?
Profit?

I think it's in first place because the concept of learning by doing sounds like the better option, but the way these devs implemented it didn't really work out well enough so they changed it and is why a lot of ppl here know to hate it.

 

[fragtzack]

Where is the "hybrid" poll option?

As already posted by someone, the poll is flawed in so many ways.

We are currently under a hybrid system where there is:

1. Perks picked by exp points

2. Skill categories by magazines

3. Special skills by books

Yet, the poll doesn't account for 7D2D already using a hybrid system.

 While learn by doing may the most true to real life, this is a video game. What is fun in a video game doesn't mean simulating real life exactly. Incorporating a hybrid learn by doing into the existing system would seem logical to me, just need to avoid grinding encouragement at all costs. For example, you can improve mining by mining utilization OR by read the book. (However, mining will not increase STR only mining). To increase STR still need to spend perk points.

 

[Jost Amman]

My vote is "I don't care which system they go with as long as they make up their damn minds and stick with it". Changing the entire system every year instead of focusing on other things like new content is just annoying to me. They can't seem to ever be happy with anything they do and move on from there.

If that's your problem, why did you buy into an Early Access game in the first place?  :suspicious:

You know an EA game is almost guaranteed to change a lot of times during the development process.

Now, I know TFP do way more experimenting and balancing than the average dev studio, but still...

 

[Lasher]

If that's your problem, why did you buy into an Early Access game in the first place?  :suspicious:

You know an EA game is almost guaranteed to change a lot of times during the development process.

Now, I know TFP do way more experimenting and balancing than the average dev studio, but still...

And here comes the "it's in Early access" excuse yet again.

As I've said before in these forums - go ask some game devs that are in the industry if a game of this scope should still be in EA after 10 years.

No-one with any kind of knowledge thinks it's acceptable and whatever the problem is be it disorganisation, mismangement, laziness or just plain "well we've got your money" it's a nonsense, disingenuous excuse.

 

[meganoth]

I am surprised to see LBD being so highly ranked... every time I mention it, I get bombarded with downvotes
The general playerbase probably liked LBD much more than the hardcore fans that are on the forums though.
But seeing it still in first place just warms my heart.
 

From my viewpoint it isn't. The fight between a perk system (no matter how the recipes are handled) and LBD is right now at 58% for perks and 42% for LBD. 

Recipe learning is just a part of the progression and already had learn-by-looting in earlier alphas.

 

[YourMirror]

And here comes the "it's in Early access" excuse yet again.

As I've said before in these forums - go ask some game devs that are in the industry if a game of this scope should still be in EA after 10 years.

No-one with any kind of knowledge thinks it's acceptable and whatever the problem is be it disorganisation, mismangement, laziness or just plain "well we've got your money" it's a nonsense, disingenuous excuse.

You find yourself waaaaay to important. Play the game if you like it. Delete it if you dont. But puhlease stop thinking you are in any position to say something on how long it takes and what changes the freaking owners want to implement or not. They make their own standards and believe it or not, you just swallow. Nothing else.

 

[fragtzack]

You find yourself waaaaay to important. Play the game if you like it. Delete it if you dont. But puhlease stop thinking you are in any position to say something on how long it takes and what changes the freaking owners want to implement or not. They make their own standards and believe it or not, you just swallow. Nothing else.

!!

 

[Auger]

LBD was just plain terrible the way they had it implemented.  I mean sure I could get my blade skill up by fighting zeds but it would take forever.  Let's craft 500 stone axes to get my crafting skill up.  Let's not even talk about armor. For blades I ended up taping my mouse button down and slashing a concrete wall all night just to get a couple increases.  

Perk system was a bit better but still I could see how some people never liked the disconnect between I kill zeds my axe but my intelligence improves.  Okay now you could make your character as you wanted but you still had problem of getting better in something by not doing it.

LBR   learn by reading is simply the best solution.  You can still make your character as you wish but now you need to read and gain knowledge in the field your interests lie in. 

As you learn more in that field you get more drops to help. It's almost like LBD but with the added benefit of not being bored outta your skull.

 

[Lasher]

You find yourself waaaaay to important. Play the game if you like it. Delete it if you dont. But puhlease stop thinking you are in any position to say something on how long it takes and what changes the freaking owners want to implement or not. They make their own standards and believe it or not, you just swallow. Nothing else.

No - i think the people that buy, play and support the game are important, not me.

The only person "swallowing" without complaint is you.

Enjoy sucking it down...

 

[Jost Amman]

No - i think the people that buy, play and support the game are important, not me.

The only person "swallowing" without complaint is you.

Enjoy sucking it down...

You're all the same... all of you guys who don't like the changes, or how many changes they do, you take it as a personal affront.

Like if TFP are doing this because they want to @%$# off players like you.  :rolleyes2:

 

[Fox]

If that's your problem, why did you buy into an Early Access game in the first place?  :suspicious:

You know an EA game is almost guaranteed to change a lot of times during the development process.

Now, I know TFP do way more experimenting and balancing than the average dev studio, but still...

Did I say I didn't like the game? Besides, if I wait until it gets out of EA, I'll be dead of old age.

 

[Jost Amman]

Did I say I didn't like the game?

No. Neither did I say that you did.

I can understand your frustration, but I'm just questioning your expectations.

 

[AtomicUs5000]

My vote is "I don't care which system they go with as long as they make up their damn minds and stick with it". Changing the entire system every year instead of focusing on other things like new content is just annoying to me. They can't seem to ever be happy with anything they do and move on from there.

 
I agree with this statement. I think they could have made any system work, past or present, with a little thought and love as long as it evolved with everything.
 
Part of the problem, I believe, is that the priority changes over time. The mindset to make the first x hours of gameplay simple and enjoyable to hook players collides with maintaining deep and interesting long-term RPG elements. They are chasing a simple, one-size fits all system that gets discarded the moment it gets complicated.
Magazines are simple and make sense, but notice how the attempts to reduce grind and to amplify the effect of people getting what they want, players who wish to take the role of a miner, builder, or farmer have to become looter-miners, looter-builders, or looter-farmers now. 
This is one game trying to work in a few different genres. Some level of complexity should be expected, especially when it comes to allowing players to play in any way they want. Classic survival elements faded, and now we have RPG fading away as well.

 

[Auger]

 
Magazines are simple and make sense, but notice how the attempts to reduce grind and to amplify the effect of people getting what they want, players who wish to take the role of a miner, builder, or farmer have to become looter-miners, looter-builders, or looter-farmers now. 
 

It's always been that way?   You could never just mine. You had to loot to get mats , water food ect.

If you're playing as a group now and have a dedicated miner. The people looting can save the books they need to read to get better at mining.

 

[AtomicUs5000]

It's always been that way?   You could never just mine. You had to loot to get mats , water food ect.

If you're playing as a group now and have a dedicated miner. The people looting can save the books they need to read to get better at mining.

Of course you would have to do a little something else for survival, especially for solo. However, other people bringing back magazines doesn't work well because the magazines everyone else are finding the most of are related to the paths they have chosen.

 

[boban]

You're all the same... all of you guys who don't like the changes, or how many changes they do, you take it as a personal affront.

You're all the same... all of you guys who love every change TFP is doing, no matter how inconsistent with previous changes, you take it as an opportunity to defend their every move.

I'll see myself out. See you in 2-3 years discussing another revamp of progression system